Kidd vs luffys past opponents

[zelllogan]

no one is counting on that zoro can keep his swords even with magnetic field on(zoro too is insanley strong)

If he can't use the swords efficiently, it's pointless. Robin already showed us that she could take Zoro's swords by surprise. I have no doubts that Kidd can do it without too much problem either. Kidd is a huge problem for swordsmen.

 

[neomaster121]

If he can't use the swords efficiently, it's pointless. Robin already showed us that she could take Zoro's swords by surprise. I have no doubts that Kidd can do it without too much problem either. Kidd is a huge problem for swordsmen.

true true
but don't forget zoro's no sword style

strong enough to take on giant sized humans

just putting it out there

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I think Kid would have been able to fight against Magellan because he is a long distance fighter.
Moreover, with the ID materials, he would have been able to do a great use of his DF. For example, he can protect himself by hidding under the metal (indeed, we have already seen his arms covered with the giant metal arms).
And I think big metal arms is very hard and difficult to melt with poison (I don't think his acid capacities can do it quickly).
So, against Magellan, giants arms of metal would be really useful thanks to their resistance and their strenght.
And with the level 4 around, he can plunge the metal into the lake of blood and use a sort of diable metal giant arms (gear 3 + metal + diable : it seems very powerful, doesn't it ?).

So, I think Kid would have win the first round.

 

[Dice]

true true
but don't forget zoro's no sword style

strong enough to take on giant sized humans

just putting it out there

No-name giant sized human compared to a DF-using super nova are nothing. Although Zoro is my favourite character I guess he'd lose that. Kidd is for Zoro like Luffy was for Enel.

 

[Metal D. Reaper]

I think this topic is wrong because don't forget that Kid has a higher bounty soo that must mean that he has beaten several enemies that equal those of luffy
the enemies that luffy encountert are maybe even strong or weaker than the enemies that luffy dealed with (exepct eneru he couldn't know him)

 

[toxun]

Did you forget that Kidd received higher bounty because he harming a lot of civilians here. Zoro himself has defeat numerous Devil Fruit users (we could make assumpt about Zoro because he really ever had a fight with Luffy previously). But I doubt Kidd will survive a battle with Logia fruit user (Smoker, Crocodile, Enel, Kuzan, & Borsalino). More over I still think he unable to defeat any shichibukai (Luffy managed to defeated 2).

 

[bittman]

Did you forget that Kidd received higher bounty because he harming a lot of civilians here. Zoro himself has defeat numerous Devil Fruit users (we could make assumpt about Zoro because he really ever had a fight with Luffy previously). But I doubt Kidd will survive a battle with Logia fruit user (Smoker, Crocodile, Enel, Kuzan, & Borsalino). More over I still think he unable to defeat any shichibukai (Luffy managed to defeated 2).

No-one forgets that, but the marines won't make a 315 million beri bounty just because Kidd took out four villages of civillians. It's probably more like he does kill people who argue with him, but at the same time he probably also causes a lot of collateral damage. If hurting civillians meant your bounty is worth twice what it should be, then I'm shocked Arlong didn't have a 400 million beri bounty.

And yes, I do believe Kidd would survive battles against Logias just as Luffy did. That is, it would be insanely close or an utter white-wash by the Logia. He would also have a good chance at defeating those two Shichibukais, and I'm typically the first person to rush to the defence of Moria and Crocodile.

I think people generally underestimate Kidd because:
A) He's not the main character.
B) That hurting civilians line made people think he's just a weakly bad pirate who hasn't been caught yet.

 

[Dice]

And if he would be indeed weak and got this bounty only for taking out many civilians than I guess there already would have been someone to take him out. I'm sure he has plenty of strenght.
Furthermore I think that Law, Kidd and Luffy are somewhat in the same league.

And about the Zoro-taking-out-numerous-devil-fruit-users- thing:
He took them out with his swords and they were never the number one like Kidd is.

About Crocodile: Well that be a close one. If finds Crocodile's weakness fast enough he might have a chance.

 

[Superman]

Kidd is strong pffff hahahahaha good joke i gotta admit that. Like i said earlier: He probably just stole 315000000 beli.

Ok let me get serious. On Luffys paper stands 300 000 000 mios. I think his actuall pure fighting power is about 417 000 000 with haki (The WG has huge grudge aganst Luffy so his next official bounty will be somewhat about 510 000 000-535 000 000). Law has 200 000 000 and his fighting power is something between 259 000 000 and 263 000 000 ( i think Law is very hard to guess because of his fruit).
Kidds bounty is 315 000 000 and realistical he is between 260 000 000 and 280 000 000 (i could imagine something like 275 000 000).
Its all about the know how. Luffy would have died in the battle against croc if he didnt found his weakness.

Oh yeah and i think Zoros has right now somewhat between......270 000 000 and 285 000 000. But since SHs grow very fast in strenght the next official bounty will be about 309 000 000 only fighting strenght. BUT!!! If Zoro makes trouble like Luffy and angers the WG directly like Luffy, his next official bounty will be about 380 000 000.......

Somehow i drinfted! I just wanted to say that Kidd isnt so strong like the bounty says he is way down under.

 

[deffkryz]

*sigh* since when are bounties a sign of the pure strength level?

Kidd sure is strong - but he neither bet up TWO shichibukkai nor did he invade Enies Lobby. I don't count the skyiean adventure because I don't think the marine/WG knows what happened up there. That's why Luffy's bounty is at 300.000.000 beri - and it stalled only because the marines thought Kuma killed him and all spectators of the "Thriller Bark incident". -> Once Luffy's leaving Impel Down, his bounty will rise again for sure.

All that Shakuyak was able to tell from Kidd is that his bounty was slightly higher than Luffy's and that the marines decided this because Kidd attacked civilians. We know nothing about what he did before he arrived at tha Sabaody Archipelago - but most probably he and his crew were able to fight of most of the marine attacks so far. It might be enough if he bet higher ranked marine officers.

But the difference between their bounties is meaningless: Law had "only" a bounty of 200.000.000 beri iirc and from what we were able to see at sabaody he equals both of them in strength (without even showing his fighting skills!).

 

[bittman]

Somehow i drinfted! I just wanted to say that Kidd isnt so strong like the bounty says he is way down under.

I'll ignore the rest of the post since it's just random values of how you think bounties = fighting power. Where-ever did you get 417 mil from and how do you know Luffy is above 300 mil? What are you comparing this all too? I'll never know.

But on your last line about Kidd, please show me some proof he is weaker than his given bounty? The hurting civilians line just means he's a bad guy and thus gets attention more, so I'm still looking for evidence that Kidd is actually 70 mil over-rated as you have so beautifully calculated.

Did he look weak? Was his devil fruit really bad? Is his crew weak? Do you know who he defeated to get to Shabondy? Did he get completely wtfpwned by a Pacifista?

 

[Superman]

-oh i dont need a proof to show that kidds weak. nobody does. you always sound like a buisness man who just relies on facts. its too funny, i mean, in a positive way. its always better too rely on this facts but anyway.

-you said how i know luffy is over 300 mios. so you think luffy dont deserve a higher or even his actual bounty?! oh and dont worry i know all about bountys (its not all about strenght and bla bla bla)

-the 417 mios came from me. the number 4 is because i dont want luffy in the 300 000 000 mil legue anymore and 17 is the lucky number of my best friend thats all there i to it.(the most numbers are lucky numbers from my friends and i just felt like making such a post. it was all on purpose and i was bored.)

-i compered luffys, kidds, laws and zoros strenght.
to make it easy: law, luffy and zoro would probably win in a fight against kidd even if they know all about the others weakness just like zoro = kidd is weak and just a bragger, boaster and a thief. i like him but he is just weak.

-the definite achievement is on topic: lucci would crush kidd

 

[Dice]

Well there is absolutely no reason to think that he is weak. Don't you think that Oda showed the three of them together in front of the auction house on purpose, do you?
Like I said I think that all three of them are in the same league (that doesn't mean that they have exactly the same strength).
And think about it: If you have such a high bounty but are to weak to fight against stronger bounty hunters/marines which are chasing you, than you are doomed.

In a fight against Kidd Zoro has a clear disadventage.

Somehow I get the feeling that you are making a Bellamy out of Kidd.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kidd would have done something really big on the way to shabondy archipelago. Naturally the can not have done something like the SH (reffering to Enis Lobby).


And about your bountys. Though you seem to have some reason I still think that something like that is pretty strange. You are able to estimate Law's real bounty almost on the belli.......If you are doing something like that it always feels like the DB-Powerlevel (no offence against DB-Fans, actually I like it, well kinda...the early volumes far more than the rest but it's still a good read).

 

[deffkryz]

Well in fact, - and to get back on topic - we don't know what Kidd would be able to do against most of Luffy's former opponents. Because Luffy beat most of them at a certain point of his "growing strength" out of his pure will power and their ignorance. Look, we don't know anything of Kid's past. I'm quite certain that the "now" Kid is able to win against most of Luffy's former 1-on-1 opponents but he most probably wasn't that strong "a year ago" (or so) when Luffy smashed Arlong Park.

From what we have seen so far from Kid we only know that he can attract and repel iron objects such as cannon balls, guns, rifles and swords. And he has the guts to start a fight with Apoo for no reason...

We don't know (for sure) whether or not Kid would have been able to
* smash s.o.'s face with one single strike and punch just in the right moment
* keep up with the Rokushiki fighting style
* accommodate the collected shadows on Thriller Bark (Monster Kid - LOL)

He would be able to do something against Eneru's bolts that create an electric field so a magnetic field might be able to diffract(?) them. (--> "Right-hand rule") I'm quite confident that Oda knows that much of science.

 

[Danre]

Um. We don't know anything about Kidd's fighting ability.

Ignoring Superman for the moment (Obvious troll is obvious), I'll go ahead and say that he's almost assuredly strong. Bounties have nothing to do with strength, so I'm not going off of that. I'm going off of his attitude coupled with how much of a threat the government sees in him.

Now, Luffy took out one of the Shichibukai AND (by the Government's thoughts) waged war on the entire world and stormed Enies Lobby to get his 300 million beli bounty. All things considered, this is a major, major threat to the government. They apparently think he's targeting them, and they gave him a large bounty in response. Kidd apparently got his bounty through civilian murder, but I have a hard time believing that would be the ONLY reason he has a bigger bounty than Luffy.

The World Government doesn't seem the types to care about their citizens, so much. If worst came to worst, they'd choose Lucci's way of thinking every time: Sacrifice the few so the many will live. I'm guessing Kidd got his bounty for killing a few fairly important people, or otherwise simply showing brute strength.

Even as far into the Grand Line as Shabondy, Kidd has shown willingness to attack big-name people. He's insulted Luffy and Law, he's attempted to start a fight with Apoo, and he had no problem with an Admiral being called to the island. He allegedly kills anyone who has a problem with him or his dream, and is as straight-forward when it comes to fighting as any character I can think of.

So with an attitude like that... would he not have the strength to back it up? I'm assuming he hasn't fought any Admirals, Shichibukai, things like that unless proven otherwise, but it would be silly to assume that he made it halfway through the Grand Line and didn't face ANYONE strong.

No, I don't think Kidd went from island to island just destroying towns when people laughed at him. He may have done that, but I can see him slaughtering Marine Captains, leaving possibly a Vice or Rear Admiral's corpse in the streets, burning down Marine Bases and the towns surrounding (Like Morgan's), just leaving a trail of blood behind him, no matter how strong his opponents were.

A man with an attitude that strong toward the world couldn't make it to Shabondy on tough talk alone, I think.

As for Luffy's past opponents... Everyone up until Crocodile would be fairly easy for him. Croc himself, though... I'd say he would win. His water weakness isn't well-known, no matter what people may say. Bellamy would lose, Enel would win, Foxy would lose, Lucci would most likely win, Moria and Oz... I would likely give them the win.

Anyone Luffy's lost against, like Aokiji or Kuma, I would say Kidd would also lose against.

A lot of that is just speculation. We have no idea what Kidd's capable of, he may be fast enough to keep up with Soru. He may be physically strong enough to match Sanji's kicks. He might have the endurance to keep up blow for blow with Zoro. Really, though, at the present we can only go by his power when using him in versus matches.

 

[Phase]

Kidd has been presented as Luffy's top rival among the supernovas. He is definitely not as weak as some people seem to think. My last paragraph describes the potential of his ability. He'll likely be a Yonkou level pirate of Luffy's era, as I suspect Law will as well. I completely agree with dice that Oda didn't put the three of them in a trio for nothing.

As many people have pointed out with the Faraday talk, electricity and magnetism go hand in hand. Fluctuations in one cause fluctuations in the other. Therefor, Kidd has a very good chance against enel. If Kidd located all the gold, he could use it for additional defense. Honestly, the winner of a fight between electricity and magnetism will be the one that understands the Faraday relationship better, but I'd guess that both have mastered it and it would be a push. To be honest, this fight could very well happen in the future, and it would likely come down to their non DF combat abilities.

It seems to me that Kidd would have an advantage fighting Moria, since Moria seems to have a lot of metal around and relies on it. Moria probably has a better chance against Luffy (who needed significant outside help to win). Any swordsman would be a joke to Kidd as well. Lucci could probably mess up Kidd pretty bad, since Kidd's ability wouldn't be worth much against his tekkai. As for Crocodile, I have no idea, he's like a glass cannon. I guess I'd put my money on the croc, hesitantly.

Either of the admirals we've seen would annihilate Kidd, just like they would Luffy at the moment. Kuma, however, would get torn to pieces. A man made of metal vs a man who can freely control metal? That's not fair. Lastly, I don't think Kidd would fair very well in ID because most of the stuff there is seastone, not metal. He'd certainly have no answer for Magellan's hydra.

Against the SH crew, I think Luffy would likely beat Kidd in a tough fight. Zoro, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, and Brook would all stand basically no chance against his DF power. I know there are plenty of Zoro fans here, but let's not forget what a rustman did to Zoro, even though he was weak enough to get defeated by Usopp. Sanji, Robin, and Nami would all give Kidd an interesting fight. Sanji and Robin for obvious reasons, Nami because she should understand magnetism as well as anyone. Nami would lose, but she could put up a fight (similar to how she fended off Enel for a short time when nobody else could).

The last part of this essay, and the most important, is about Kidd's ability itself, it's retardedly powerful for someone who understands physics. Using strong fluctuation magnetic fields and inducing a current, he could easily melt metal and freely control it. Then by stabbing someone with metal, he'd be able to transfer heat or electric shock by manipulating eddy currents within the metal. A magnetman is be one of the most powerful paramecia types I can imagine, as long as there are conductive materials around. This guy would basically be a beefed up version of the third kazekage from Naruto once he mastered his power, and that's no joke.

 

[btl]

Regarding Kidd vs Enel, I actually think that Enel would just make Kidd stronger since the more electricity you put into an electromagnet, the stronger it gets. Without really knowing how Kidd's magnetism power works, we can assume it covers all kinds of magnetism, including electromagnets, so Enel could be just as inneffective against Kidd as he was with Luffy, with the possibility of even giving Kidd a power up thanks to the electricity.

 

[Phase]

Regarding Kidd vs Enel, I actually think that Enel would just make Kidd stronger since the more electricity you put into an electromagnet, the stronger it gets. Without really knowing how Kidd's magnetism power works, we can assume it covers all kinds of magnetism, including electromagnets, so Enel could be just as inneffective against Kidd as he was with Luffy, with the possibility of even giving Kidd a power up thanks to the electricity.

Enel would have to be majorly stupid to output electricity in that fashion. Electromagnets require a coil, so that the electricity travels in a spiral pattern. That way the entire current condenses to create a single unified magnetic field. By putting that coil around a magnet, it amplifies or negates (depending on direction of current) the magnetic field that the magnet puts out.

For those who are having difficulty with the physics behind Faraday analysis, think of Kidd this way: Magneto from Xmen.

 

[Metal D. Reaper]

wait for you're informaztion logia like crocodile and stuff just use their right hand soo this maybe that the power of attract stuff is in his right arm and the repel in his left 2 poles=electromagnet
I will edit the post later to post some links with it for my theory

here are 2 links for my theory

sooo first the right arm the attraction power: http://http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/505/06/

and the power too repel left arm: http://http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/504/17/

 

[Superman]

Nobody loves me only because i say Kidd is weak im sad WOOOOT

Anyway

@ Metal D. Reaper ( in the first second i thought your name is -Raper ) heres a link with kidd fighting in the OPUC2 game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSfmmnDpUp4 so you can see how he fights