Fantasy Kyria vs Hades

[Vex_Haid]

base hades extreme diffs, or gets extreme diffed

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Kyria no-diffs this trash

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base hades extreme diffs, or gets extreme diffed

Powercreep>>>>

 

[Tirl]

Hades nodiffs her

 

[Vex_Haid]

Hades effortlessly

 

[Vis]

Honestly, if Kyria somehow ends up losing to Lucy, Hades might be able to pull this off.

Kyria, upon her introduction, should comfortably solo Balam Alliance though.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Honestly, if Kyria somehow ends up losing to Lucy, Hades might be able to pull this off.

Kyria, upon her introduction, should comfortably solo Balam Alliance though.

It wouldn't make Kyria weaker but Lucy stronger.

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So Lucy should be able to solo Balam Alliance as well (I don't even believe what I'm saying right now lmao)

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You people should stop to downplay Lucy's opponents.

 

[Vis]

It wouldn't make Kyria weaker but Lucy stronger.

No, Kyria would have to be retconned for Lucy to be able to beat her in a normal fight. She literally one-shot Lucy with a roar and was fighting a casual Erza fairly well. Even tanked one of, what appeared to be, her low-end finishers.

So Lucy should be able to solo Balam Alliance as well (I don't even believe what I'm saying right now lmao)

Literally everyone worth their crap post-Tartaros should be able to. With how much you hype Lucy, I wouldn't even be surprised if you meant that.

You people should stop to downplay Lucy's opponents.

Look at your username. If you genuinely believe that, you're the one who needs a reality check.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

My username is a joke tho

 

[Hexbend]

No, Kyria would have to be retconned for Lucy to be able to beat her in a normal fight. She literally one-shot Lucy with a roar and was fighting a casual Erza fairly well. Even tanked one of, what appeared to be, her low-end finishers.

That was the first arc of 100yr quest....everyone has gotten stronger, so why wouldn't Lucy?

 

[Vis]

That was the first arc of 100yr quest....everyone has gotten stronger, so why wouldn't Lucy?

Erza struggling with Kyria then fighting Laxus to a standstill is common when Erza is not going all out - Look at her struggling with Ajeel then proceeding to wreck Irene's meteor. This is also often the case with Natsu. Wendy's always been a haxed opponent and Gray hasn't really done anything in 100YQ tbh.

To make it clear, I don't think everyone has gotten significantly stronger since 100YQ kicked off. Everything they're doing now, I don't think they were incapable of it back when they initially fought the Diabolos Trio.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Gray actually fodderized Thunder Legion and defeated Hakune tho

 

[Vis]

Gray actually fodderized Thunder Legion and defeated Hakune tho

I think that's something he has been capable of doing for awhile now.
He defeated Hakune, sure. Same to Lucy initially losing to Mimi.

Which is exactly what I meant by this:

Erza struggling with Kyria then fighting Laxus to a standstill is common when Erza is not going all out - Look at her struggling with Ajeel then proceeding to wreck Irene's meteor. This is also often the case with Natsu. Wendy's always been a haxed opponent and Gray hasn't really done anything in 100YQ tbh.

The spectrum of how much Team Natsu is putting in a fight is quite massive. They could be getting stomped one second and matching the same person a few chapters later. I don't think this means they're getting stronger; I just think this means they're capable of much more than they initially display. This has always been the case with Fairy Tail. There is no reason to believe that they suddenly get a power boost out of nowhere.

 

[Hexbend]

Erza struggling with Kyria then fighting Laxus to a standstill is common when Erza is not going all out - Look at her struggling with Ajeel then proceeding to wreck Irene's meteor. This is also often the case with Natsu. Wendy's always been a haxed opponent and Gray hasn't really done anything in 100YQ tbh.

To make it clear, I don't think everyone has gotten significantly stronger since 100YQ kicked off. Everything they're doing now, I don't think they were incapable of it back when they initially fought the Diabolos Trio.

We know Erza didn't go all out against Kyria, but Kyria still gave Fire Pants Erza trouble and survived a Secret Art from Laxus. Which are way better feat then anything Hades has done. To discredit them because she'll have trouble with current Lucy and possibly lose is just unfair to both Kyria and Lucy.

The bolded part is missing major context here. Against Ajeel, Erza was against someone who countered her & with Marin interfering. Against, Dues Sema she got a emotional boost which we know can enhance one's magic in FT.

Well that is clearly proven wrong with all the improvements everyone has shown in 100yr quest....we went from Spriggans being top of the food chain, to the weakest of the Diablos trio being Spriggan tier, and the DDK being capable of tangoing with Human form DGs, who we know are >= Human Acno who is >>> every spriggan. Everyone has shown improvements by leaps and bounds.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Hades>>>Lucy

that simple

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Hades>>>Lucy

that simple

Powercreep>>>

 

[Vis]

We know Erza didn't go all out against Kyria, but Kyria still gave Fire Pants Erza trouble and survived a Secret Art from Laxus. Which are way better feat then anything Hades has done. To discredit them because she'll have trouble with current Lucy and possibly lose is just unfair to both Kyria and Lucy.

I agree that it is way better than anything Hades has done, it just simply makes no sense for Kyria to be stomping Lucy one second then losing to her the next. There have not been any timeskips, training arcs, or any power boosts in the series and Lucy has fought a total of about two battles since she got wrecked. To suddenly win against Kyria, someone who tanked what looked like a finisher from Erza, and most likely a couple of punches from Laxus, would be nonsensical.

The bolded part is missing major context here. Against Ajeel, Erza was against someone who countered her & with Marin interfering. Against, Dues Sema she got a emotional boost which we know can enhance one's magic in FT.

What? Marin was only an issue at the beginning of the fight. Erza was still losing even after she could use requip again. And Ajeel had no elemental advantage; the Sea Sword let Erza cut through his sand body and the Wind Sword let her blow his sand away. There was no counter whatsoever if Erza was off-setting every single perceived advantage Ajeel has.

Anyway, this was also the case with Natsu getting casually one-shot by Suzaku and now seemingly keeping up with him. I'd argue he had more POF in the first encounter considering he had just knocked Erza out. They can't be getting that massive of a power-up every 5-10 chapters lol.

Well that is clearly proven wrong with all the improvements everyone has shown in 100yr quest....we went from Spriggans being top of the food chain, to the weakest of the Diablos trio being Spriggan tier,

This doesn't mean anything as we didn't know about the Diabolos' existence when Spriggans were supposed to be at the top of the food chain. And Natsu, Gray and Erza's feats from the previous arcs make it consistent with their performance in 100YQ.

Also, even if this wasn't the case, which it is, there was a year timeskip in between; I would be more inclined to believe that a power-up came upon that than Lucy being able to beat Kyria without any such factor.

and the DDK being capable of tangoing with Human form DGs, who we know are >= Human Acno who is >>> every spriggan. Everyone has shown improvements by leaps and bounds.

Since when was the bolded established? Human Acno is significantly superior to Serena; that doesn't make him significantly superior to August and Irene. I mean, Human Irene and Jellal fared well against Acnologia too. so this doesn't really prove anything?

 

[grey matter]

If this is base Hades, not sure who would win.

I see some people saying powercreep. But we can't be so sure that Hades level have been dusted by even low tier good guys. At least yet. Reasons:

1. Base Hades is a tier above Makarov, and Makarov is still regarded as reasonably powerful.

For one, he's used as a ballpark to hype up the Spriggans.
Secondly, Base Natsu struggled a bit against Makarov (possessed), and said that Makarov used to be a lot stronger before. And used his FDK Demo fist to one shot him. So, I think we can assume Makarov (before he was crippled) could take a couple of Demo fists, before going down. Base Hades scales above that.

I think Lucy can outnumber him with her spirits and beat though. Tough fight, could go either way.

If this is GH Hades though, he would stomp.

2. Alverez arc Wendy was stomped by Bluenote, who was on or below GMG Jura level. But base Natsu one shotted Bluenote with a charged roar.

Yes, this was in Alverez arc, and Wendy is a lot stronger now.
My point however is that high level good guys and lot level good guys grow stronger differently.
Just because some former villains get dusted by high tier good guys, doesn't mean they would by low tier good guys. Wendy grew a lot from Tartarus to Alverez, yet Bluenote still eclipsed her.

 

[Hexbend]

I agree that it is way better than anything Hades has done, it just simply makes no sense for Kyria to be stomping Lucy one second then losing to her the next. There have not been any timeskips, training arcs, or any power boosts in the series and Lucy has fought a total of about two battles since she got wrecked. To suddenly win against Kyria, someone who tanked what looked like a finisher from Erza, and most likely a couple of punches from Laxus, would be nonsensical.


What? Marin was only an issue at the beginning of the fight. Erza was still losing even after she could use requip again. And Ajeel had no elemental advantage; the Sea Sword let Erza cut through his sand body and the Wind Sword let her blow his sand away. There was no counter whatsoever if Erza was off-setting every single perceived advantage Ajeel has.

Anyway, this was also the case with Natsu getting casually one-shot by Suzaku and now seemingly keeping up with him. I'd argue he had more POF in the first encounter considering he had just knocked Erza out. They can't be getting that massive of a power-up every 5-10 chapters lol.


This doesn't mean anything as we didn't know about the Diabolos' existence when Spriggans were supposed to be at the top of the food chain. And Natsu, Gray and Erza's feats from the previous arcs make it consistent with their performance in 100YQ.

Also, even if this wasn't the case, which it is, there was a year timeskip in between; I would be more inclined to believe that a power-up came upon that than Lucy being able to beat Kyria without any such factor.



Since when was the bolded established? Human Acno is significantly superior to Serena; that doesn't make him significantly superior to August and Irene. I mean, Human Irene and Jellal fared well against Acnologia too. so this doesn't really prove anything?

This explained by Natsu himself....he trains everyday. So why wouldn't the others also train? Which we know they do if they have new abilities and fight stronger opponent every arc. This was what we get from someone who doesn't like training arcs.

An issue that allowed Ajeel to do damage, and Ajeel most certainly had an advantage with his larger AoE. Erza had short term answers for the smaller problems. It was clear Erza was at a disadvantage the entire fight.

It is what it is, mashima doesn't like training arcs and this is a bi-weekly manga. So we gotta accept the best we are getting is a statement from Natsu and just show and tell, which is what Mashima likes. They are shown to fight much stronger opponents, so they got stronger. That's all.

Why does that matter? End of the day, the Diablos trio has better feats than most of the Spriggans. Also what do you mean, those three's feats make it consistent?

So you admit they get stronger overtime but won't admit Lucy got stronger like everyone else, again? Even though we're told and shown they do in fact get stronger?

Fared well? Other then Human Acno literally playing with both, and Jellal showing his impressive speed. To say they fared well....is not even true. Unlike Suzaku who has tanked attacks from characters on Human Acno's caliber, and proceed to show superiority with his ultimate. The difference in performance is staggering.

 

[Sevently]

If this is GH Hades though, he would stomp.

You think that Kiria is not even Spriggan tier ?

 

[Ramen]

Kyria was matching Erza. Erza would one-shot Hades.