Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[Demon Hunter]

vis, all look at it this way, in the beginning of the series, Natsu already has some resistance to bladed attacks, however, he did not use his powers to melt to blade, yet with Jacob, he did, so it is something stronger than his resistance to bladed attacks.

bad analogy.

he blocked Gajeel's Secret Art without getting cut and Gajeel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacob

he also blocked Levy's attack instead of outright tanking it.
I guess Levy is on the same level as top tiers

Natsu just woke up from near death experience and his melting was something he does ever since he came back from his 1 year training.

 

[One4All]

If Jacob can use his Transport in this battle,sure,I'll give this to him just because of his hax. But he is clearly restricted to use it here so.

For two mages who didn't fought at all,the only way to rank them is through the person that both of them have fought(a common denominator) which is the unnerfed Lucy. Jacob failed to kill or even knockout Lucy while Kyria did and with other casualty. Unless "not knocking out Lucy" is more offensive and impressive than "actually knocking out Lucy and other people".

 

[Demon Hunter]

holy shit this is getting out of hand

 

[Verter]

Sorry, I don't understand. Are you trying to say that she was more susceptible to damage somehow because she was not prepared or caught off guard? Even with Wendy already defending her from the roar with her body?

Erza did not try to defend herself.

Since Wendy was not cut in pieces, it clearly assumes Erza got strikes which "missed" Wendy body. Coz strikes on Wendy body edns in scratches on Wendy body.

 

[Vis]

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/478/5

Look below Natsu's elbow , I can see a cut there.

That's not a cut, lol. That's just the way he was drawn. That's not even the side of his forearm he used to melt it.

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That arm you can see with a scratch on it on the bottom left corner, that was it.

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Here's another one.

 

[Verter]

If Jacob can use his Transport in this battle,sure,I'll give this to him just because of his hax. But he is clearly restricted to use it here so.

For two mages who didn't fought at all,the only way to rank them is through the person that both of them have fought(a common denominator) which is the unnerfed Lucy. Jacob failed to kill or even knockout Lucy while Kyria did and with other casualty. Unless "not knocking out Lucy" is more offensive and impressive than "actually knocking out Lucy and other people".

Jacob failed to knock down Lucy, but Marie did it twice.

Even @Axiomus agreed Mary could kill Lucy if she wanted.

So, Mary > Jacob with that weak logic, no ?

 

[Demon Hunter]

@Verter more like Spriggans aren't that strong as you think they are even.

even that Fodder "God" that Natsu one shotted would destroy Jacob.

maybe even Arlock.

 

[Vis]

Erza did not try to defend herself.

Since Wendy was not cut in pieces, it clearly assumes Erza got strikes which "missed" Wendy body. Coz strikes on Wendy body edns in scratches on Wendy body.

Wendy took most of the brunt for Erza which means she took more damage than she did.

What would Erza defend herself with? Defense and durability are different things. She can usually match it with other attacks to offset the damage it would do. But being under Kyria's control does not make her less durable, just less defense as you said. This doesn't make her skin any more or less penetrable. It doesn't make her muscles suddenly contract and she's somehow unable to take things she normally would be able to.

She would not have been able to command her own skin to stop Kyria's attacks from cutting her even if she were to take it head on if she weren't under her command.

Only thing that changed while she was under her hypnosis was that she did not have as much will to get back up to protect her friends like she normally would.

 

[Verter]

Honey @Jean Grey I think some overhype trash eaters "a few".

When them are shocked with Macarov magic power.... mhm, It says a lot.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Honey @Jean Grey I think some overhype trash eaters "a few".

When them are shocked with Macarov magic power.... mhm, It says a lot.

dear, every Spriggan has higher MP than any FT member.
do I need to remind you what happened to them

or your boy Zeref, the Greatest Black Wizard in history

no need.
my avi and sig tells it all

 

[Verter]

Wendy took most of the brunt for Erza which means she took more damage than she did.

What would Erza defend herself with? Defense and durability are different things. She can usually match it with other attacks to offset the damage it would do. But being under Kyria's control does not make her less durable, just less defense as you said. This doesn't make her skin any more penetrable. It doesn't make her muscles suddenly contract and she's somehow unable to take things she normally would be able to.

Only thing that changed while she was under her hypnosis was that she did not have as much will to get back up to protect her friends like she normally would.

It seems you did not remember FT Zero manga and Zeref explanation of magic to Mavis and co,

Magic, as well as strengthen and defence IS control of aether which storaged inside body and fly around in air.
Style of controlling aether determines Black wizards (black arts) aka with forbidden arts and Legal wizards with legal magic (legal arts).

Because Erza was in such state she could not control circulation of aether in her body. So her skin defence WAS just regular human girl skill defence, And not a mage defence.

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dear, every Spriggan has higher MP than any FT member.
do I need to remind you what happened to them

or your boy Zeref, the Greatest Black Wizard in history

no need.
my avi and sig tells it all

It seems i don't properly care about you... Need sometimes slap you also

 

[Vis]

It seems you did not remember FT Zero manga and Zeref explanation of magic to Mavis and co,

Magic, as well as strengthen and defence IS control of aether which storaged inside body and fly around in air.
Style of controlling aether determines Black wizards (black arts) aka with forbidden arts and Legal wizards with legal magic (legal arts).

Because Erza was in such state she could not control circulation of aether in her body. So her skin defence WAS just regular human girl skill defence, And not a mage defence.

I concede on all points. You're right. Jacob stomps Kyria.

 

[Demon Hunter]

It seems you did not remember FT Zero manga and Zeref explanation of magic to Mavis and co,

Magic, as well as strengthen and defence IS control of aether which storaged inside body and fly around in air.
Style of controlling aether determines Black wizards (black arts) aka with forbidden arts and Legal wizards with legal magic (legal arts).

Because Erza was in such state she could not control circulation of aether in her body. So her skin defence WAS just regular human girl skill defence, And not a mage defence.

so Laxus was a regular human when he took Hades' powerful blast without any MP???

my boy is just getting more and more insane feats

 

[Verter]

I concede on all points. You're right. Jacob stomps Kyria.

Meh, Jacob vs Kyria and magic theory in FT are two different separates issues ><

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[WoWfan]

bad analogy.

he blocked Gajeel's Secret Art without getting cut and Gajeel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacob

he also blocked Levy's attack instead of outright tanking it.
I guess Levy is on the same level as top tiers

Natsu just woke up from near death experience and his melting was something he does ever since he came back from his 1 year training.

Not even close, he was stated to have a resistance to blade weapons since lullaby, since Jacob’s blade was melted, then it is much more dangerous than other blades. If Natsu blocked Levy’s attacks, then it is nothing to him. It is Transitive property.

and your other examples like how War God is stronger than Spriggans is rather men, seeing as one of them froze his FDK flames with relative ease.

 

[Demon Hunter]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah I can't take you seriously anymore, sorry.

but thumbs up for playing WoW I guess

 

[WoWfan]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah I can't take you seriously anymore, sorry.

but thumbs up for playing WoW I guess

Same thing for you for thinking that War God is stronger than Jacob, that is just ridiculous.

 

[Verter]

so Laxus was a regular human when he took Hades' powerful blast without any MP???

Low amount MP = / = without MP...
Zero MP for mage = illness and death

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 12 :: Sorcerer Weekly

But also you may have colossal amount of MP, which you did n't use for defence etc ("sleeping/waiting MP"). And result will be not so good.

 

[One4All]

I can see this reaching 30+ pages and we are not going to reach an agreement. I'll give the floor to others now. Anyway,thanks for the entertainment @WoWfan @Verter !

 

[Demon Hunter]

Low amount MP = / = without MP...
Zero MP for mage = illness and death

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 12 :: Sorcerer Weekly

But also you may have colossal amount of MP, which you did n't use for defence etc ("sleeping/waiting MP"). And result will be not so good.

stolen MP permanently means no MP anymore.

Laxus can replenish his own though. he didn't had his magic stolen.

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big difference there fam.

Nebal is currently suffering from magic deficiency

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