Lafitte is a Wingman!

[Poneglyph420]

Just take a good look here - http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/554/02-03/

Yep, it's arms only. I hope now you see how he could be zoan.

Let me remind you. We saw only 3 bird zoans. Pell, Lafitte and Marco. We only saw one Pell's transformation. When you think about it, every time he transformed, the situation required that he transforms fully. One case is hardly enough to conclude that bird zoan's aren't able to transform only their hands, right? Wrong. There were tons of people, like you, thinking that bird zoans can't transform just their hands if they want to.
Then Marco appeared, revealed that he's a bird zoan and he has shown that a bird zoan can transform his hands alone if he wants, disproving the wing paramecia theory.

Why some people still think that Lafitte has paramecia, beats me...

Oh well Marco, the first and so far ONLY user of a Mythic Fruit was able mid-transformation to (at least for a moment) only have transformed wings. So I guess lafitte (who's ablility we don't know) must be able to as well. NO. One case isn't enough to determine anything.. exactly why your theory can't be proven. By the way I NEVER said Lafitte couldn't be anything, just suggested another option. While my opinion may differ I accept that and your theory as well is valid. Find me a bird book with Phoenix in it, then Marco has a bird zoan..

 

[Razh]

Oh well Marco, the first and so far ONLY user of a Mythic Fruit was able mid-transformation to (at least for a moment) only have transformed wings. So I guess lafitte (who's ablility we don't know) must be able to as well. NO. One case isn't enough to determine anything.. exactly why your theory can't be proven. By the way I NEVER said Lafitte couldn't be anything, just suggested another option. While my opinion may differ I accept that and your theory as well is valid. Find me a bird book with Phoenix in it, then Marco has a bird zoan..

Find you a bird book with Phoenix in it?

I have a photo of him, though:

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But it's just a kid phoenix

It doesn't matter that it's a mythical zoan, it's still a goddamn bird, not a fucking lizard. It has wings and a beak. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck than it's probably a duck.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Find you a bird book with Phoenix in it?

I have a photo of him, though:

Spoiler

But it's just a kid phoenix

It doesn't matter that it's a mythical zoan, it's still a goddamn bird, not a fucking lizard. It has wings and a beak. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck than it's probably a duck.

While a phoenix is a Mythic bird, my point is that perhaps a mythic zoan has more abilities available than a "natural" zoan model. Pell and Marco of two very different models and Zoan types.

Not many birds can turn to blue flame or heal from a laser blast that's all...

 

[Razh]

While a phoenix is a Mythic bird, my point is that perhaps a mythic zoan has more abilities available than a "natural" zoan model. Pell and Marco of two very different models and Zoan types.

There isn't anything to point to it. All zoans should have 2 transformations available. A hybrid and a full form. (That's without counting in Chopper forms and awakened zoan.)
It's easy to draw a man-leopard hybrid for example, but it would be harder with birds, I believe.
I believe Pell only used the full form. He did transform completely into a bird every time, so that wasn't a hybrid. I reckon, the hybrid form is bird users transforming only their hands into wings.

It certainly makes sense more than paramecia wing fruit. If there was such a fruit than it should allow person to grow wings, so there wouldn't be a need for Lafitte to transform his hands into wings. You have to admit that a fruit that allows you to change your hands into wings is pretty lame. And I know, Bellamy's spring power was lame too, but we're talking about a member of Blackbeard pirates here.

 

[Poneglyph420]

There isn't anything to point to it. All zoans should have 2 transformations available. A hybrid and a full form. (That's without counting in Chopper forms and awakened zoan.)
It's easy to draw a man-leopard hybrid for example, but it would be harder with birds, I believe.
I believe Pell only used the full form. He did transform completely into a bird every time, so that wasn't a hybrid. I reckon, the hybrid form is bird users transforming only their hands into wings.

It certainly makes sense more than paramecia wing fruit. If there was such a fruit than it should allow person to grow wings, so there wouldn't be a need for Lafitte to transform his hands into wings. You have to admit that a fruit that allows you to change your hands into wings is pretty lame. And I know, Bellamy's spring power was lame too, but we're talking about a member of Blackbeard pirates here.

I totally agree if all that Lafitte can do is transform his hands to wings that's lame. 100% agreed. Just don't see how "normal" zoans and "mythic" can be so easily combined and compared. If "awakened" zoan have powers beyond the scope of normal zoans, won't "mythic" also "break the rules". But if Lafitte could grow wings on an enemy, fly them up 200 Meters and drop them, bad ass......

Just it's all speculation up til now, you do have some very good ideas. And I hope that Lafitte has a better power than any of us can imagine.
Knowing what Oda is capable of, I'm sure we will all be pleased in the end...

 

[Dragon Walker]

Well, some seems to insist that Lafitte ate a wing wing fruit, so far arguments sake, I tried to find a use for it.

The best I could come up with is that, if his specialty is indeed wings, then would it limit him to one type of wings? Now you might ask, "what is he babbling about?". The answer is simple. Say if he could switch the the angel-like wing shown in the pic where this whole wing stuff originated from, to say, Marco's burning phoenix wings. The use for that is kinda obvious, burning stuff. Metal wings that can act like blades. Insect wings that can give him the unique flying movement (Like going sideways, backwards, etc.) that birds don't have.

I know it's kind of a strange idea, and could indeed be very lame, but ever since Oda invented Gear 2 and 3, I know better than doubting his great mind.

 

[Samui]

Just because in one panel you saw him with him with his hands transformed into wings, doesn't mean he isn't a Zoan but a wing-man. It's the same as Onigumo's spider fruit; when he first revealed his ability, he was shown only with six arms on his back, he didn't transform into a spider back at that panel. Only the next chapter we could clearly see he's a spider.

So no, Laffite probably isn't a wing man, And I see no reason for him to be a mythical Zoan either, but some kind of a bird Zoan. That's the most logical assumption in my opinion.

 

[Jiggy-Ninja]

Pell has used his hybrid form at least once, possibly twice. We can see it most clearly in the fight against Robin.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/170/06/

You can clearly see that what he's grabbing his sword with are in front of his wings, indicating that they are arms, not legs. He also still appears to have his hair. This, to me, seems to be the hybrid form, and not the full falcon.

The other time could be against the masses of B.W. fodder he wasted in an instant, but I'm not sure / too lazy to look it up.

As for Lafitte's power, I do think a wing Paramecia would be cool, but I have to admit that a Zoan is more likely. So now the question is, what kind of Zoan is it.

For some reason that I myself don't even fully understand, I'm thinking a swan.

 

[Bugzee]

I still think its a zoan fruit. Maybe certain zoan fruits that allow you to fly (e.g. eagle, phoenix, etc) have different hybrid forms! With Lafitte only his hands were completly transformed right? With Marco, he still had his human legs when he was transforming and taking Kizaru's attack.

Hmmm, damn it we need to see more of the BB crew!!!

 

[chess4]

whatever fruit he has....it allows him to fly, so i guess we will see it more when the focus switches to BB and his crew

 

[Jiggy-Ninja]

I still think its a zoan fruit. Maybe certain zoan fruits that allow you to fly (e.g. eagle, phoenix, etc) have different hybrid forms! With Lafitte only his hands were completly transformed right? With Marco, he still had his human legs when he was transforming and taking Kizaru's attack.

Hmmm, damn it we need to see more of the BB crew!!!

For Marco, it seemed more like he did a partial transformation than an actual hybrid transformation.

Lucci, as I recall back in the CP9 arc, did a very small partial transformation against Luffy. I don't remember if it was an anime only thing, but Lucci briefly transformed his nails into claws while still remaining in his human form.

 

[Fox666]

It just seems that the Phoenix power remains in the human form.

 

[urlaub]

What is there so special about doing a partial transformation? Could this be a new advancement in the story, because this far there have only been some stages of transformation? So it's like a Sasuke partial transformation you mean?

 

[Jiggy-Ninja]

What is there so special about doing a partial transformation? Could this be a new advancement in the story, because this far there have only been some stages of transformation? So it's like a Sasuke partial transformation you mean?

Exactly.

All the Zoans in the story so far, we've only see do "complete" transformations. Either completely human, Completely animal, or completely hybrid. Never anything in between.

Marco is the first confirmed Zoan type that has partially transformed. we see him twice changing his arms into wings and leaving the rest of his body unchanged (Technically, the second time was changing his body back to human and leaving his phoenix wings, but it's still the same)

Marco, though, is also the first confirmed Mythical Zoan type, so it's impossible to know yet whether the partial transformation is an inherent power of his Fruit or signifies that Marco has gained an incredible amount of control over his powers.

 

[madmotoristmonk]

i agree with ziggy ninja and believe that its a variation of "Semei Kikan/Life Return" if it allows you to change your body like Kumadori says then why not have it coincide with your devil fruit?

besides it stands out as a "mastery" of your fruit, so a zoan's mastery may be to do partial transformations (i.e. any of choppers points, that he needs a 'drug' for i might add) and a sort of "dark side/ corrupted mastery" would be the Awakened Zoan because at that point your just this beserker amaglam of your different forms.

besides, a wingman would be lamer fruit than the one possesed by Erik the Whirlwind

 

[Razh]

besides, a wingman would be lamer fruit than the one possesed by Erik the Whirlwind

I agree, especially since Erik's fruit wasn't lame at all. Well yeah, the idea wasn't the best, but the power itself wasn't half bad.

 

[Jiggy-Ninja]

My name starts with a J, not a Z, MMM.

If we're bringing up that arc, Aisa's Hiso Hiso Fruit was way lamer than Erik's Kama Kama Fruit.

Chopper's Points aren't really partial transformations lie Marco did. They're entirely new forms with their own powers.

And one possibility for the Awakened Zoan Demon Guards is that they are animals tat ate their own Fruit. A koala that ate the koala fruit, a bull that ate the bull fruit, etc. Oda mentioned once in SBS that if a person had eaten Chopper's Fruit, he would become "enlightened" (whatever that means).

As for my opinion, it is my belief that partial transformations are possible with all Zoans, but take a lot of skill and control to do.

 

[imudkip]

Shiki's DF apparently grants him the ability of flight, which leaves only 1 more DF that grants flight. But Pell did mention that there were five known, which may mean there are still unknown ones.