Discussion Laxus Dreyar Thread

[Supa Hot Fire]

To be honest , Laxus is the only reason that i'm still watching Fairy Tail.
I believe that he is the key to Fairy Tail futur, and there is why :
- When Makarov was whiped by Hades, he said :" Can u hear me ? you, my successor " this show us that Laxus is going to be the REAL fairy tail master, not like Erza or Gildarts..
- He is strongest than anyone in the guild except maybe Gildarts , but he is on his level or almost, and he is younger than him, he can still be more powerfull . People are still comparing him to Jellal or Erza and even Natsu , just lol the only one who can be compared to Laxus is Gildarts, no one else.

Ah yeah , for people who forget this , Natsu only beat Laxus because of :
-Fought Mystogan ( wasting magic )
- Exchanged fists with Erza ( wasting magic )
- Whiped Natsu
- Whiped Natsu and Gajeel
- Use Fairy Law ( waste a vaste amont of magic )
- On top of that he was using the Thunder palace who cost an immense amont of magic.
- Lose To Natsu because Laxus starting to be confused and realise that Natsu isnt his ennemy and on top of that Gajeel saved Natsu.

Laxus fought Hades as an equal for some minutes , and alone , and i barely believe that he can do more than this , but he decided to give Natsu his powers because it was not him who was fcked , that was fairy tail ( he was expelled )


Laxus whiped entire Raven Tail, which some members caused trouble to Lucy and Grey.
Laxus beats Jura , considered as the strongest human wizard.
Laxus one shooted one of the kyuukimon which only one of Fairy tail member shiited himself to beat it XD
Laxus inhaled poison which can kill an entire city , and he is still alive /8/

Spoil :
Laxus saved Makarov from Ajeel ( one of springan 12 ) by only one hit, he smashed Ajeel sand.. and give him a nuclear bomb with just using one hand, if the second springan didnt show up ajeel would be damaged.

Laxus is still above and way above all fairy Tail member except maybe Gildarts, by his level judging from lasts chapters , he surpassed Gildarts or he is on his level.

Considering all these, how can some still compare him to Natsu/Jellal or Erza ?

 

[Nemispelled]

Re: Laxus Dreyar ( Spoil )

To be honest , Laxus is the only reason that i'm still watching Fairy Tail.
I hardly believe that he is the key to Fairy Tail futur, and there is why :
- When Makarov was whiped by Hades, he said :" Can u hear me ? you, my successor " this show us that Laxus is going to be the REAL fairy tail master, not like Erza or Gildarts..
- He is strongest than anyone in the guild except maybe Gildarts , but he is on his level or almost, and he is younger than him, he can still be more powerfull . People are still comparing him to Jellal or Erza and even Natsu , just lol the only one who can be compared to Laxus is Gildarts, no one else.

Ah yeah , for people who forget this , Natsu only beat Laxus because of :
-Fought Mystogan ( wasting magic )
- Exchanged fists with Erza ( wasting magic )
- Whiped Natsu
- Whiped Natsu and Gajeel
- Use Fairy Law ( waste a vaste amont of magic )
- On top of that he was using the Thunder palace who cost an immense amont of magic.
- Lose To Natsu because Laxus starting to be confused and realise that Natsu isnt his ennemy and on top of that Gajeel saved Natsu.

Laxus fought Hades as an equal for some minutes , and alone , and i barely believe that he can do more than this , but he decided to give Natsu his powers because it was not him who was fcked , that was fairy tail ( he was expelled )


Laxus whiped entire Raven Tail, which some members caused trouble to Lucy and Grey.
Laxus beats Jura , considered as the strongest human wizard.
Laxus one shooted one of the kyuukimon which only one of Fairy tail member shiited himself to beat it XD
Laxus inhaled poison which can kill an entire city , and he is still alive /8/

Spoil :
Laxus saved Makarov from Ajeel ( one of springan 12 ) by only one hit, he smashed Ajeel sand.. and give him a nuclear bomb with just using one hand, if the second springand didnt show up ajeel would be damaged.

Laxus is still above and way above all fairy Tail member except maybe Gildarts, by his level judging from lasts chapters , he surpassed Gildarts or he is on his level.


now tell me , how can people still comparing him to Natsu/Jellal or Erza ? lmao

If all this was to try to tell me that everybody is underestimating Laxus, I get it. I have to disagree though that Laxus is nowhere near Gildartz level.

If you are trying to tell me Jellal < Laxus then I don't argue with you because I think that Jellal is weak. Only because Jellal is weak. He is hyped only because he is Erza's man and if you know Asian culture, the man cannot be weaker than the woman in the relationship.

Remember that Jellal couldn't beat Oracion Seis with ease, even though the Oracion Seis never trained since the Nirvana incident. They were cramped in jail with no exercise. It costed major damage to Jellal's eyes a weak feat imo.

If you ask me to rank Laxus, then I put him at Silver's level. Stronger than Jellal and Erza but maybe not Natsu. Gildartz trumps them all because he is a little less than Mard Geer and Hades.

 

[SirSamuel016]

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>Why do you keep comparing Laxus to Natsu and saying he is weaker than Natsu?
- Because he isn't E.N.D.
- Because he can't use dragon force
- He was in Blue Pegasus

>What about Jellal?
- Jellal wasn't frozen in time for seven years and actually did some stuff
- He fought Jura, and would've beaten him had it not been for Ultear and Meredy's intervention

 

[Kiki]

Re: Laxus Dreyar ( Spoil )

If you ask me to rank Laxus, then I put him at Silver's level. Stronger than Jellal and Erza but maybe not Natsu. Gildartz trumps them all because he is a little less than Mard Geer and Hades.

I am interested in your statement. How do you rank this? Could you explain?

 

[Nemispelled]

Re: Laxus Dreyar ( Spoil )

I am interested in your statement. How do you rank this? Could you explain?

Well, like I said, first Laxus is nowhere near on Gildartz's level. Gildartz has had 30+ S-Class (Actually SS-Class) years over Laxus. What we have seen so far is not even 10% of Gildartz full power. On Tenrou, Gildartz made Natsu bawl like a baby and we all know that Natsu is so fight-hungry to the point that Natsu doesn't even think or have control of his fist when he swings it.

Jellal I already made my point.

My ranks are based at the end of Tartaros Arc.

To me Laxus ranks like this (Excluding Zeref, Acnologia, and Alvarez since I dont have enough information about any of their ranks):

1. Mard Geer
2. Precht Gaebolg (Hades)
3. Gildartz Clive
4. Gray Fullbuster and Natsu Dragneel
5. Laxus Dreyar and Silver Fullbuster
6. Kyouka and Mirajane Strauss
7. Franmalth
8. Makarov Dreyar
9. Jellal Fernandes
10. Jiemma Orland

I only put Jiemma there because Mard Geer himself said that he was stronger than all of the 9 demon gates. I have my doubts, but I put Jiemma at #10 because I give Mard Geer the benefit of the doubt that what he said is true..

Anyways, as you can see, I put Laxus at 5th tied along with Silver. The gap between #3 and #4/#5 is great though since Mard Geer, Hades, and Gildartz are on a whole other level. Gray did not beat Mard Geer because Mard had to endure attacks repeatedly from people like Celestial Spirit King, combined assault of Sting and Rogue, and then finally another tag team of Gray and Natsu.

So yeah, top 3 are out of everybody else's level, but if you look at Laxus, he is basically one of the top elites after the 3 strongest. Which is considerably high and good (enough to have a 1v1 or 1v2 against Alvarez's Spriggans).

PS.: Before any of you think that I forgot Erza Scarlet and Gajeel Redfox, I'll have you know that I didn't include them for a reason. It's my opinion and I have my reasons. Although to keep it short and not kill you from guessing, my simple answer is that I dont count fights won because it should have been (aka PoF and nakama power)

 

[Nizen]

Although I disagree with some statements you made, I cant deny the fact that Laxus is extraordinarily strong, especially after the timeskip.
My overall ranking goes like this (post-timeskip excluding END, Zeref, Alvarez and Acnologia and the Dragons)
1) Mard Geer, Gildarts (and maybe the top 3 wizard saints too)
2) Hades, Natsu, Laxus, Jellal, CSK
Falling between 2 and 3 would be Makarov and Warrod
3) Gray, Jura, Gajeel, Erza(because she's Erza), Mirajane, Ul
Somewhere between 3 and 4 would be Silver, Kyouka, Bluenote and Ultear and Deliora
4) Elfman, Kagura, Minerva, Sting and Rogue, Sayla, Zero, Zancrow and Azuma
5) Lucy, Juvia, Lyon, Sabertooth(only GMG participants), Raijinshuu, rest of Crime Sociere, Grimoire Heart, Jackal, Franmalth Tempesta, Torafusa, Bacchus and ICHIYA ( I might be kidding here)
6) Wendy, Chelia, Lisanna, Cana(if she trained), Ezel and Ivan and Raven Tail.
Just my opinion, though.

 

[Nemispelled]

Laxus fought Hades as an equal for some minutes , and alone , and i barely believe that he can do more than this , but he decided to give Natsu his powers because it was not him who was fcked , that was fairy tail ( he was expelled )


Laxus whiped entire Raven Tail, which some members caused trouble to Lucy and Grey.
Laxus beats Jura , considered as the strongest human wizard.
Laxus one shooted one of the kyuukimon which only one of Fairy tail member shiited himself to beat it XD
Laxus inhaled poison which can kill an entire city , and he is still alive

Ok first of all I gotta say that my bad for not answering this part on my last post. I guess I got carried away with the rankings, but I want to address some of these topics so others don't get confused. First of all, I know you hold Laxus to high regards, I do too, but to say that Laxus is on Hades' level on Tenrou is quite an overstatement. You are comparing a grandpa figure to a grandson figure. Laxus imo opinion does not even come close to matching up against Hades. Hades imo is just under Mard Geer.

On the Tenrou fight, it was BS that either Laxus or Natsu could have beaten Hades. Laxus didn't have a chance to beat Hades which was why he quickly fell when he tried to 1v1 Hades. Keep in mind Hades didn't even have to use his transformation in his fight against Laxus. Now moving on to Natsu. He doesn't get an excuse either to beat Hades, even if Natsu did get Laxus' lightning. To keep it realistic, Makarov and Gildartz should have been at least present to help support against Hades. That is more believable.

Now to the other quick points:

- Gray never lost to Raven Tail....It was the stupid Hidden Event that said "one touch on the skin and you lose" and Juvia and Lyon were annoying as hell in that event. Raven Tail cheated in that event

-Lucy never lost to Raven Tail. Raven Tail cheated and used spectators as hostage. Something that would have got them insta-banned and something Laxus could not do anything about nor would he have any control over

- Now this one, Laxus did beat Jura. Idk if it was for plot or pure power but imo Jura does not deserve to be TWS. At most, he is an honorary wizard of Ishgar

- Idk who kyuukimon is, but if you are talking about Kurohebi, then it wasnt necessarily an impressive feat. Honestly, if Laxus couldn't solo Raven Tail, then that is a disappointment and Laxus is not an elite Fairy Tail Mage let alone S-Class Mage. Only somebody like Toby ( I have nothing against him he is cool) would lose to Kurohebi.

- The poison thing with Tempesta was impressive although I still don't know how Laxus did it cuz it is not his element. If it had been Cobra I understand. That is why I don't like Gajeel's shadow mode either because it never made sense. Dragon slayers can only stick to eating the elements that they are supposed to

Spoil :
Laxus saved Makarov from Ajeel ( one of springan 12 ) by only one hit, he smashed Ajeel sand.. and give him a nuclear bomb with just using one hand, if the second springan didnt show up ajeel would be damaged.

Laxus is still above and way above all fairy Tail member except maybe Gildarts, by his level judging from lasts chapters , he surpassed Gildarts or he is on his level.

Considering all these, how can some still compare him to Natsu/Jellal or Erza ?

So far, yes, Laxus has showed no weaknesses. He fared good against Ajeel but idk if it is because Ajeel is the weakest of the Spriggans, Ajeel was caught by surprise, or Laxus is just plain strong.


Basically my point is (Incase you don't feel like reading everything above and skip it):

Is Laxus underrated like Gray, Mira, Lisanna, Kagura, Minerva, Bacchus (who was said to be on Erza's level pfft, then they showed he lost to Elfman and Ichiya), and Loke?

Yes

Is Laxus god level and trump everybody else like Mard Geer, Hades, and Gildartz?

No

Believe me, I know what it means to see your favorite character be trashed in front of your own eyes. Been there done that.

The only people that get any love in here are Natsu, Gajeel, Igneel and Dragons, Erza, Juvia, Jellal, and Zeref

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu and Erza are hands down the most bashed characters. Doesn't mean we should take that into consideration in power ranking. Laxus is probably stronger than base Natsu, but weaker than DF Natsu.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Natsu and Erza are hands down the most bashed characters. Doesn't mean we should take that into consideration in power ranking. Laxus is probably stronger than base Natsu, but weaker than DF Natsu.

Erza is bashed because she's won some of her biggest fights via massive asspulls, like when she beat Kyouka without any senses, and the explanation we get is that it was "Because she's Erza."
I'd say Laxus is around Lightning-Flame Dragon Mode Natsu's most destructive capabilities, but nowhere near Dragon Force Natsu's level. Laxus will never be stronger than Dragon Force Natsu unless he gets Dragon Force, which he shouldn't as its a power inherited directly from a Dragon.

 

[Axiomus]

Erza is bashed because she's won some of her biggest fights via massive asspulls, like when she beat Kyouka without any senses, and the explanation we get is that it was "Because she's Erza."
I'd say Laxus is around Lightning-Flame Dragon Mode Natsu's most destructive capabilities, but nowhere near Dragon Force Natsu's level. Laxus will never be stronger than Dragon Force Natsu unless he gets Dragon Force, which he shouldn't as its a power inherited directly from a Dragon.

All I'm saying is it's not like anybody seriously has it out to underrate Laxus. For the most part, he's treated as one of the series powerhouse. Also, it's not as if its unfair to hold Igneel in a high regard. The guy tore off an arm from Acnologia. Zeref needs an entire empire and Fairy Heart to deal with that guy.

 

[Nemispelled]

You don't necessarily need power-ups to be stronger. Power-ups simply save you time to hone your skills. Practice and training can still be used to surpass others. Unless Natsu is going to turn END soon, he isn't any more of a threat than people like Laxus, Gray, Mira, and Gajeel. Laxus is not weaker than Natsu by much if at all because Laxus had had several years of training and experience on Natsu, let alone his capability and knowledge of magic. He doesn't get enough screen time, but a prime example was when he nullified Ajeel's attacks.

Laxus is not one to underestimate and Natsu isn't either, both are around the same level of power with Natsu a little higher as per my ranking a few posts above.

Maybe I've been reading wrong things or wrong places, but Natsu and Erza are by far the most praised and loved people in this anime. Unlike me, a lot of people don't care for strategy/tactic/logic, which is why Gray is always downgraded in the community and is seen as the third wheel between Natsu, Gajeel, and Gray himself.

The people that dislikes Natsu and Erza have strong hatred, but the sheer number of people in the community that are glorified over Erza and Natsu is off the charts. Hence why a Erza and Natsu have become one of the top male and female manga/anime characters in Japan. They have literally become icons or symbols for Anime.

Just like in real life, the quiet ones (Gray and Laxus) are hated but the loud, boasting, and trashtalks (Natsu, Erza, Juvia, Gajeel) are the ones that get the fame.

 

[Axiomus]

Well, you might want to head over to Fairy Tail Base then. That forum is full with people glorifying Gray and bashing just about everyone else.

Yes, Natsu and Erza have a large fanbase. However, they aren't very vocal and rarely do I see any of them trash talk other fanbases. Mainly the japanese fanbase loves them.

 

[Nemispelled]

Only for the looks. I've been on that site way before I came here. Think about it. Fame comes with the credit not the hype. People like Laxus and Gildartz have major hype but don't get the credit because they don't take last hit.

Natsu and Erza take all the credit because Natsu does the finishing blow and Erza gives the speech. Gajeel trashtalks which is seen as the coolest thing these days by people in America. Gray doesn't get any credit because he has BS people like Juvia and Lyon beside him which people say "support Gray in every freakin battle". Gildartz is seen as a powerhouse but doesn't get any credit cuz he is known to be a perverted wandering nomad. Laxus is like Gildartz except he is always missing until somebody needs help.

As you can see, when Natsu did no damage to the dragons in the eclipse arc with all the other dragon slayers, people kiss their asses and say the dragons are too damn strong like Acnologia.

When Gray one-shotted Tempesta, took in Memento Mori, and blasted Mard Geer people say Gray is on Juvia's level but is effective against a demon. Natsu, Erza, and Gray defeated Etherious Lullaby at the very beginning of the series, it goes to show that you don't need demon slaying to defeat demons.

When you look at it that way it is damn near annoying because that is logic at its simplest.

Credit leads to fame. Hype doesn't since there isn't any proof that can be used to prove the fame that's supposed to go along with it. This is just too obvious.

 

[Axiomus]

Are you implying that people like Natsu and Erza only for the looks? That's kind of insulting. Some people genuinely like their backstory, and you're brushing all that away based off your own opinion. I liked Erza's backstory during Tower of Heaven, and I liked her story all the way since. Tartarus Arc and her match with Kyouka might have been distasteful, but I'm willing to let that slide. I like Natsu's characterization, like his positive attitude. I find his backstory with Zeref interesting. I genuinely like his character. To be perfectly honest, I'm not even sure if Natsu and Erza look all that different from the other characters.

Nobody did any damage to the dragons, except a dragon-empowered Natsu. Also it took 4 dragons to foil Mard Geer's plan in seconds. They just straight up smashed the faces. That's why dragon are considered powerful.

Nobody in their right mind would say that Gray during Tartarus arc was on Juvia's level. Nobody is underrating him here either. Yes, you don't need demon slayer magic to slay demons, but having it makes the task a lot easier. Why is this a problem?

Nobody is underrating Gildarts and Laxus. They are almost always considered the top tiers.

I don't even know where you're coming up with the Gajeel trash-talk thing... I'm pretty sure it's not only Americans that like him.

 

[Nemispelled]

Are you implying that people like Natsu and Erza only for the looks? That's kind of insulting. Some people genuinely like their backstory, and you're brushing all that away based off your own opinion. I liked Erza's backstory during Tower of Heaven, and I liked her story all the way since. Tartarus Arc and her match with Kyouka might have been distasteful, but I'm willing to let that slide. I like Natsu's characterization, and his positive attitude. I find his backstory with Zeref interesting.

Nobody did any damage to the dragons, except a dragon-empowered Natsu. Also it took 4 dragons to foil Mard Geer's plan in seconds. They just straight up smashed the faces. That's why dragon are considered powerful.

Nobody in their right mind would say that Gray during Tartarus arc was on Juvia's level. I haven't heard anyone say that people support Gray in every battle. Nobody is underrating him here either. Yes, you don't demon slayer magic to slay demons, but having it makes the task a lot easier. Why is this a problem?

Nobody is underrating Gildarts and Laxus. They are almost always considered the top tiers.

I don't even know where you're coming up with the Gajeel trashtalk thing....

The looks was in response to your comment about Gray's fanbase on Fairy Tail Base. Tch, like I would ever think that Natsu's and Erza's looks ever come close. If you like Natsu and Erza, then be my guest, but the fact is that your two favorite characters gets the most fame and praise. That was exactly why this thread was made, because characters like Laxus and others are underrated by the community.

Even Natsu barely scratched a dragon. The dragons foiled Mard Geer's plans, but it was a system created by the humans. 5 Deliora's with wings would have no problem exterminating the rest of the faces. The weight of the dragons are heavy enough to easily crumble the Faces, the major worry was more on speed and not the power, which the basic anatomy of a dragon provides through wings.


Gray on Juvia's level was supposed to be a sarcastic and exaggerated comment. I'll spell it out though to make myself clear. Gray was like Gajeel with anti or counter demon properties.

It's not the underrating of people like Gildartz and Laxus that people are complaining about. If you read the original thread creator's post, it is the overrating or overhyping of other characters that cause a severe imbalance of power rankings. I don't need to spell out their names because it will just cause more distress that is completely unnecessary...

 

[Axiomus]

So are you saying Gray fans like him only for the looks? That's just as bad, because I like Gray too. I never said Natsu and Erza were my favorite. I said I liked them.

Deliora wasn't anywhere near the level of dragons. The faces were constructs each of which is strong enough to cause a massive explosion, and they drain massive amounts of power as well. You also need enough speed to fly across a continent. Speed on that level requires magic. Also, speed is a component of power. Plus, you can clearly see the magic coming from the dragon when they destroyed the faces. Skiadrum even roared a dozen times: http://www.mangahere.co/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c412/23.html

It's obvious that this thread is an attempt to glorify Laxus. Doesn't mean that people are underrating him. Just because you like a character, it doesn't automatically mean everyone else is underrating that character when they don't share your opinion that the character is the best in the world.

 

[Nemispelled]

Not me. I'm a Gray fan and I have obvious reasons that Gray is my favorite character that is not the looks. It is precisely so that a lot of Gray fans simply go for his looks.

I wouldn't be so tough to say demons are weaker than dragons. You have no idea of how a demon like Mard Geer could have fared against the dragons. The typical dragon that taught the dragon slayers we know are no different the CSK. Mard Geer showed that he had the capability to be on par with CSK and can fare well against him with ease. If anything, in his Etherious form, he is likely to surpass CSK given that CSK does not have immortality.

The Faces are big, but any weight from the dragons or demons like Deliora would be enough to crush it to smithereens. Wendy had no problem to destroy them, but she needed speed to reach all of the faces. It was the time and clock ticking that caused panic, so speed was clearly needed. Like I said, demons with wings are no different than the dragons.

You are telling me that the old giants known as demons don't have the magic power to handle such speeds? Did you forget the amount of magical energy that Deliora unleashed before his death and the amount of energy ALL THOSE YEARS that were being zapped out of him by that Iced Shell. It was like 5-7 years + on Galuna Island since Ur used her spell and Deliora still had its last breaths.

The only reason you seem to underestimate Deliora is because he was short lived courtesy to the Iced Shell spell

 

[Axiomus]

Demons are weaker than dragons. Tartarus got owned by humans. Their 9 Demon Gates got owned by the likes of Juvia, and Lucy, and even Elfman. The very same humans that were completely helpless against a single dragon. Mard Geer was pushed around by DF Natsu, and heavy wounded by Gray. Any dragon of Igneel's crew would have owned him. Gray using demon slayer magic can wreck the demons. On the flip side, even a dragon slayer like Laxus couldn't lay a scratch on a dragon. It took Atlas Flame siding with the humans just to beat ONE dragon.

Wendy had massive trouble destroying the faces, so I don't know what series you're reading. Wendy had to use all her power just to smash one face, and she didn't even end up dispelling the magic (which later ended up blowing up). The dragons downright destroyed all the faces, and put an end to the magic permanently. They did it in seconds, and across a continent. That type of speed takes magic power. Magic power that Deliora was never shown to have. You're telling me Deliora can run around the entire continent in seconds? Demons with wings are no different than dragons? Size is about the only similarity that dragons have with Deliora. Deliora's breath was actually pretty small. That was his only display of power:
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v05/c037/15.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v05/c037/17.html


I noticed something. You say all this about underrating characters, but you think that Makarov and Jellal are weaker than Mirajane. Somehow Jiemma is worthy of being on the list, yet Erza and Gajeel are not. This is despite outright admitting that Gray is on Gajeel's level. Then you have Gray and Natsu ranked above Laxus. If anyone is being underrated here, it's got to be Gajeel. You refuse to acknowledge a character, whom by your own admission would be stronger than Laxus, in your top 10.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Not me. I'm a Gray fan and I have obvious reasons that Gray is my favorite character that is not the looks. It is precisely so that a lot of Gray fans simply go for his looks.

I wouldn't be so tough to say demons are weaker than dragons. You have no idea of how a demon like Mard Geer could have fared against the dragons. The typical dragon that taught the dragon slayers we know are no different the CSK. Mard Geer showed that he had the capability to be on par with CSK and can fare well against him with ease. If anything, in his Etherious form, he is likely to surpass CSK given that CSK does not have immortality.

The Faces are big, but any weight from the dragons or demons like Deliora would be enough to crush it to smithereens. Wendy had no problem to destroy them, but she needed speed to reach all of the faces. It was the time and clock ticking that caused panic, so speed was clearly needed. Like I said, demons with wings are no different than the dragons.

You are telling me that the old giants known as demons don't have the magic power to handle such speeds? Did you forget the amount of magical energy that Deliora unleashed before his death and the amount of energy ALL THOSE YEARS that were being zapped out of him by that Iced Shell. It was like 5-7 years + on Galuna Island since Ur used her spell and Deliora still had its last breaths.

The only reason you seem to underestimate Deliora is because he was short lived courtesy to the Iced Shell spell

I agree with @Axiomus. Deliora isn't actually that strong, its just that the areas he devastated had weaker mages and their magic wasn't very effective against him. Also, CSK is probably just as krusty as that War God Natsu destroyed. Dragons are the strongest creatures around from what we've seen, and Demons like Deliora are nowhere near the power of Acnologia and Igneel back when he was alive. Mard Geer is the strongest Etherious apart from E.N.D, so a prime creation of Zeref's being able to fight with on par with a krusty being with limited power isn't too farfetched. Deliora, another creation of Zeref's, and one sizeably weaker than other Etherious, wouldn't be worth beans in a fight against a Dragon.

 

[Nemispelled]

What are you talking about? My list is as it is and I stand by it with evidence. Makarov is old and frail now especially at the end of Tartaros. His age causes him to lose strength. Jellal as I said didn't fight too well against Oracion Seis, the six guys that hadn't been training at all since Nirvana incident and had no exercise the 7-8 years they were trapped in prison.

Jiemma is on the list because he is the strongest of the Nine Demon Gatea. Erza and Gajeel are not stronger than the strongest Demon Gate. As I said in the end, I don't count fights with PoF or Nakama power. Erza has had plenty of that. Too many for me to name. Gajeel has no feats, as I said, Gajeel is praised by the community because he has taken Gray's place as Natsu's rival ever since GMG.

I also said in another post that Gajeel ate shadow, an element that he should not be able to. I'll let that pass, but it is still something that is poorly explained. He needed that kiss from Levy (Lolz) when he fought Torafusa. He needed help and would be screwed if it weren't for Levy.

Gray and Natsu are above Laxus and Silver (something you should be happy about cuz your boy is stronger than Laxus).

I don't even get your last statement. Which character did I say would be stronger than Laxus? Not Erza and Gajeel, I can assure you that. Mira I put up there because that is simply my opinion. Mira, like Gray, Bacchus, and Kagura, have all been downgraded and put in the worst situation possible in every one of their battles. As shown in recent episodes, Mira conquered a demon as a mere kid, and could destroy towns with her amount of magical power. Don't forget that Mira could resist possession at her young age, and something Jellal failed to do when he was possessed by Ultear. Tch, don't make me laugh.