Canon Lucy vs Brandish

[LuckSlayer]

Lucy no diff Aquarios solos

Lucy can't summon Aquarius while in Earthland until she gets her key.

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The difference with Kyria and Brandish, is that Kyria still scratches the level of Laxus and Erza in the current manga, Brandish doesn't.

Mashima's statements about a character's MP level are always empty, we come from an arc where we were given 2 characters that were supposed to be "Gildarts level" and were easily beaten by Erza and Laxus. What does it matter that Gray says that they have the victory assured with Brandish, when it is Natsu who defeated Aldo with one blow

If Brandish couldn't defeat Lucy when she was little, what makes you think she'll defeat Kyria? Let's face it, Kyria would humiliate Brandish without much difficulty, don't forget that Brandish doesn't have any notable achievements in combat, Kyria does.

Now you say that Neinhart was enchanted by Irene and that's why her magic didn't work, but you have to remember that only one blow from Natsu base was enough to defeat him, Brandish is just a smoke seller

Brandish may be able to make small Kyria's blades and all of her attacks. Not even that, she could enlarge a stone as big as a Kyria's blade wouldn't be able to break/hit anything. She may not have any notable achievement in combat other than stoping Taurus Form Lucy Kick, but that's something to praise nevertheless because of that raw strenght... I do remember that. But that means Irene enhanced him to resist magic abnormality not physical attacks. I get where you are coming, but canonwise... She won't win.

Remember a no MP Mirajane was able to beat Jacob and Kyria's guildmates were not able to beat Mirajane and Elfman? It's the same. That means they are not Spriggan level and Brandish will always win.

Also, Lucy as Brandish showed what size can do. A giant Brandish would be enough for this (also, remember she was giant against Lucy [who wasn't small. She just enlarged herself], she just didn't want to fight her and that's why Lucy was able to fight her at that moment until Brandish tried).

So... A giant Brandish vs a shrunk Kyria... You may know the results, right?

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The dizziness was only momentary, Acnologia got up almost immediately and tried to get out, he succumbed because Meredy came to connect Lucy with all the magicians on the continent, and still, this is a better achievement than what Brandish did with Gajeel

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The difference with Kyria and Brandish, is that Kyria still scratches the level of Laxus and Erza in the current manga, Brandish doesn't.

Mashima's statements about a character's MP level are always empty, we come from an arc where we were given 2 characters that were supposed to be "Gildarts level" and were easily beaten by Erza and Laxus. What does it matter that Gray says that they have the victory assured with Brandish, when it is Natsu who defeated Aldo with one blow


If Brandish couldn't defeat Lucy when she was little, what makes you think she'll defeat Kyria? Let's face it, Kyria would humiliate Brandish without much difficulty, don't forget that Brandish doesn't have any notable achievements in combat, Kyria does.

Now you say that Neinhart was enchanted by Irene and that's why her magic didn't work, but you have to remember that only one blow from Natsu base was enough to defeat him, Brandish is just a smoke seller

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So people on this forum are praising Brandish for making Gajeel giant for 3 minutes, but ignoring and underestimating that Lucy locked Acnologia in the Fairy sphere?

This is terrible but not surprising, there are people who continue to believe that Irene was at the level of August or Acnologia or that she can defeat Selene

You're right. Brandish making Gajeel a giant for, at the very least, entertain Aldoron is not that great. Why? Gajeel couldn't do a thing even when he is a DS.

Also, Lucy locking Acnologia with FS shouldn't be considered a feat of hers... That needed the magic of the whole continent. She just casted the spell, she did not have the magic to sustain that magic or to lock Acnologia up by herself.

 

[WoWfan]

Lucy can't summon Aquarius while in Earthland until she gets her key.

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Brandish may be able to make small Kyria's blades and all of her attacks. Not even that, she could enlarge a stone as big as a Kyria's blade wouldn't be able to break/hit anything. She may not have any notable achievement in combat other than stoping Taurus Form Lucy Kick, but that's something to praise nevertheless because of that raw strenght... I do remember that. But that means Irene enhanced him to resist magic abnormality not physical attacks. I get where you are coming, but canonwise... She won't win.

Remember a no MP Mirajane was able to beat Jacob and Kyria's guildmates were not able to beat Mirajane and Elfman? It's the same. That means they are not Spriggan level and Brandish will always win.

Also, Lucy as Brandish showed what size can do. A giant Brandish would be enough for this (also, remember she was giant against Lucy [who wasn't small. She just enlarged herself], she just didn't want to fight her and that's why Lucy was able to fight her at that moment until Brandish tried).

So... A giant Brandish vs a shrunk Kyria... You may know the results, right?

I would not say no MP Mira just that she didn’t use her magic back then, plus she stated twice that Jacob was not at full strength when fighting her.

Well actually, Gajeel not beating Aldoron did make him immobilized after the brief fight.

 

[Aniokku]

Lucy can't summon Aquarius while in Earthland until she gets her key.

It doesn't really matter, Aquarios comes when she wants or when Lucy needs it (like most of her spirits), so in a fight against Brandish, you really don't think Aquarios would come and punish Brandish for bothering his girl?

Brandish may be able to make small Kyria's blades and all of her attacks. Not even that, she could enlarge a stone as big as a Kyria's blade wouldn't be able to break/hit anything. She may not have any notable achievement in combat other than stoping Taurus Form Lucy Kick, but that's something to praise nevertheless because of that raw strenght... I do remember that. But that means Irene enhanced him to resist magic abnormality not physical attacks. I get where you are coming, but canonwise... She won't win.

How can you say that, if Brandish has never done it, I really doubt Brandish is smart enough (is she even?) to make a giant rock to stop Kyria, plus you're assuming Brandish would start the match knowing how Kyria fights beforehand and preparing a plan to defeat her (she couldn't do anything against dimaria and august who she knew very well, I doubt she can do anything against Kyria), considering how apathetic Brandish is with fighting I wouldn't be surprised to see Kyria taking the initiative and winning the fight in the first seconds

Remember a no MP Mirajane was able to beat Jacob and Kyria's guildmates were not able to beat Mirajane and Elfman? It's the same. That means they are not Spriggan level and Brandish will always win.

why you are based on Kyria's level with Madmole and skullion against Mira, when Kyria has direct fights with Laxus and Erza who are stronger than Mirajane and who also defeated some spriggan, that Kyria can stop Erza effortlessly or or that can make laxus fall, It's already proof enough that Kyria can handle a match with Brandish.

Also, Lucy as Brandish showed what size can do. A giant Brandish would be enough for this (also, remember she was giant against Lucy [who wasn't small. She just enlarged herself], she just didn't want to fight her and that's why Lucy was able to fight her at that moment until Brandish tried).

Exactly, you said it! Lucy demonstrated the power that Brandish has, but Brandish has never done such a thing on her own, maybe it's due to the difference in BIQ/IQ that Lucy has with Brandish, but Brandish doesn't know how to use her magic in different environments or situations, Going back to Neinhart, why didn't Brandish go big and punch him to finish it off? Brandish simply does not have the ability to maintain this type of combat, she is not a real combatant like Lucy or Kyria, she is just an enchanter who as soon as you block her magic no longer knows what to do, do you really think that Kyria would not defeat Brandish, When have we seen how unpredictable and frenetic she can be?

Lucy, our princess is very intelligent in combat and she knows how Brandish's magic works, it would not be strange for her to make a battle plan before or during combat as we already saw with Mimi or Kyria

So... A giant Brandish vs a shrunk Kyria... You may know the results, right?

Yeah! Kyria low diff

You're right. Brandish making Gajeel a giant for, at the very least, entertain Aldoron is not that great. Why? Gajeel couldn't do a thing even when he is a DS.

Also, Lucy locking Acnologia with FS shouldn't be considered a feat of hers... That needed the magic of the whole continent. She just casted the spell, she did not have the magic to sustain that magic or to lock Acnologia up by herself.

Lucy takes credit for "beating" Acnologia, because it was her plan, she told all the boys what to do, maybe she didn't have the magic to lock Acnologia away on her own (tell me who does), but she had the ability to devise the plan and after controlling the magic of an entire continent and "defeat" acnologia. We cannot detract from Lucy's achievement.

I highly doubt Brandish could have done something similar in the same situation.

 

[WoWfan]

If I recall correctly it is only by Aquarius’ own intention if her key is in water, not by Lucy’s. Though that is sort of like, what’s the point really. lol

 

[LuckSlayer]

It doesn't really matter, Aquarios comes when she wants or when Lucy needs it (like most of her spirits), so in a fight against Brandish, you really don't think Aquarios would come and punish Brandish for bothering his girl?

Noup. Aquarius was able to appear in Alvarez arc because the CSK wanted to. She appeared once again at Elentir arc because the CSK wanted to, it was another world and Earthland rules did not apply then.

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How can you say that, if Brandish has never done it, I really doubt Brandish is smart enough (is she even?) to make a giant rock to stop Kyria, plus you're assuming Brandish would start the match knowing how Kyria fights beforehand and preparing a plan to defeat her (she couldn't do anything against dimaria and august who she knew very well, I doubt she can do anything against Kyria), considering how apathetic Brandish is with fighting I wouldn't be surprised to see Kyria taking the initiative and winning the fight in the first seconds

Brandish did pretty good against Lucy, idk. Dimaria? Really? She could stop time... August? He can copy any magic(? Worst mashups for her.

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why you are based on Kyria's level with Madmole and skullion against Mira, when Kyria has direct fights with Laxus and Erza who are stronger than Mirajane and who also defeated some spriggan, that Kyria can stop Erza effortlessly or or that can make laxus fall, It's already proof enough that Kyria can handle a match with Brandish.

Easy. They have the same level since Laxus defeated them all the same way: ONE SHOTS. Erza made Laxus use all his power and still lost and Kyria was open mouthed by their power, she saw Erza wasn't really trying with her.

Either way, this is a Lucy vs Brandish so I will stop this debate about Brandish vs Kyria. I do respect your opinion, but its still the same. You say I'm guessing Brandish knows and all that... But at the end of the day, that's all we can do.

 

[Star Frost]

Even if Lucy and Brandish strength are similar I’m still giving it to Brandish because she has better hax.

 

[Aniokku]

Noup. Aquarius was able to appear in Alvarez arc because the CSK wanted to. She appeared once again at Elentir arc because the CSK wanted to, it was another world and Earthland rules did not apply then.

It has never been said that the rules in Eelntir are different from those of earthland with the spirits, the reality is that Aquarios will always be there when Lucy needs it, even if she does not have her key, we come from an arc, where Lucy used the powers of Aquarios even without a contract and she mixed with another spirit.

Brandish did pretty good against Lucy, idk. Dimaria? Really? She could stop time... August? He can copy any magic(? Worst mashups for her.

Are you telling me that 2 lolis and an anomaly (ultear) can beat Dimaria, but the all-powerful and overrated Brandish can't? How do you expect me to believe that Brandish can beat Lucy when she has never really shown her power, Brandish only lives on mashima's statements, this week's chapter, we saw her power but it was thanks to Lucy, not by herself

Easy. They have the same level since Laxus defeated them all the same way: ONE SHOTS. Erza made Laxus use all his power and still lost and Kyria was open mouthed by their power, she saw Erza wasn't really trying with her.

The difference between Kyria and Madmole/skullion, is that Laxus had to use a secret art to defeat her and be in faris's hypnosis to avoid falling into Kyria's trap. While with Madmole and skullion, although we didn't see how he beat them, it doesn't seem like it was very difficult to do it since it doesn't seem like he used a secret art with them.

As for Erza, she needed to use swords created to destroy the dragons in order to land a blow on Kyria, and even so Kyria could still fight, the match was left unfinished.

Either way, this is a Lucy vs Brandish so I will stop this debate about Brandish vs Kyria. I do respect your opinion, but its still the same. You say I'm guessing Brandish knows and all that... But at the end of the day, that's all we can do.

It's important because Kyria is a more formidable opponent than Brandish because she does have battle achievements, Brandish doesn't.

Brandish is just a fanservice character who lives only on Mashima's statements, and it's funny, we all know how irregular Mashima is with his statements and power levels, and most complain when Erza defeats a "gildarts level" enemy, but another character arrives, who is to your liking, and mashima says that he is very strong, everyone goes and kisses his feet.

This type of discussion can be summed up as fanaticism vs. logic.

Lucy has enough tangible and real achievements to beat brandish, Brandish has never done anything in the series but everyone supports her just because she's a Spriggan (half were smoke sellers) or because mashima says she's very strong.

The truth is that Lucy and Brandish have already fought in the past, and it was a fight without many differences between the 2 girls, a fight, pre star dress mix, pre fairy sphere, pre gottfriend, pre training. While the fairy princess has been getting stronger in the past year after the fight with Brandish, nothing indicates that Brandish has improved since then, she just seems to go around without bothering to train.
(It has been said, that Brandish has gotten stronger or that she has been training? Because, as I remember, no)

They can argue that Brandish's magic is potentially stronger than Lucy's. (Which I don't think because Lucy has Gemini). Or that Brandish's magic is broken, okay.
But if you're going to do that with Brandish do the same with Lucy, I mean, potentially Lucy has a spirit that has a similar ability to Ishgar's "strongest" wizard (August). She has one of the 3 great fairy magic that not even Acnologia himself could destroy, she can recite spells like Gottfriend or Urano metria better and without the help of other celestial magicians, she is practically a prodigy in her spirit magic,

I can't give brandish the win when all she has on her side are Mashima's statements and the wet dreams of her fans

 

[Darklord#10]

I can't give brandish the win when all she has on her side are Mashima's statements and the wet dreams of her fans

 

[Garmadooon]

He's so right lol people say that Brandish is overpowered and can solo the FT guild because she has big tits and pretty feet. We could say the same thing for Wahl can solo the FT guild with Etherion but he's a man, we could say that Bloodman can solo FT with the curses of Tartaros but he's not even a human.

Brandish despite all her L's to Alvarez has the right to the benefit of the doubt because she is an ultimate waifu just like Irene. As @grey matter says, simping makes people brain fried.

 

[Darklord#10]

He's so right lol people say that Brandish is overpowered and can solo the FT guild because she has big tits and pretty feet. We could say the same thing for Wahl can solo the FT guild with Etherion but he's a man, we could say that Bloodman can solo FT with the curses of Tartaros but he's not even a human.

Brandish despite all her L's to Alvarez has the right to the benefit of the doubt because she is an ultimate waifu just like Irene. As gray matter says, simping makes people brain fried.

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He's so right lol people say that Brandish is overpowered and can solo the FT guild because she has big tits and pretty feet. We could say the same thing for Wahl can solo the FT guild with Etherion but he's a man, we could say that Bloodman can solo FT with the curses of Tartaros but he's not even a human.

Brandish despite all her L's to Alvarez has the right to the benefit of the doubt because she is an ultimate waifu just like Irene. As @grey matter says, simping makes people brain fried.

There really isn't any spriggan 12 wank, it's just brandish dimaria and Irene wank. The only real spriggan 12 fan is wowfan

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As @grey matter says, simping makes people brain fried.

True lmao simping makes guys go crazy it's why they were thinking about Irene and selene rubbing tits and started bitching when it didn't happen

 

[plowed]

Tf? Brandish stomped lmao

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Lucy no diff Aquarios solos

Oh common. We know that Brandish just respected Aquarius. That's why she's like that Infront of Aquarius but the truth is she's way stronger than Aquarius. This is just like Goku beat Freiza and other stronger villains but he is completely helpless Infront of chichi. Another example is luffy. Luffy already beat a yonko but Nami still beat up him. So I don't you why you post something like that? Unless you also think that Both Nami and Chichi are stronger than Luffy and Goku lol.

 

[WoWfan]

At this point, Brandish would still body Lucy, the latter may have gotten stronger but Lucy still recognizes that Brandish is still a threat.

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[Rigel]

Lucy still needs to prove she's capable of overcoming Brandish's hax magic.

But that should happen soon.