Fantasy Lucy vs Elfman

[Cosmicstar]

Based on a FDK Punch couldn't and one of those one shots Lucy.

FDK punch has never one shot Lucy. We have no idea if it would or wouldn't.

Doesn't change the fact though that your argument of Elfman winning against Lucy is based on Elfman standing against Madole yet fails to acknowledge Elfman fought Lucy with Mirajane in the exact same form he fought Madmole and Lucy was still standing and in fighting condition. So how would the outcome for Elfman be different this time? You say Elfman will win but how will he win? His Lion form that he used against Madmole was already used against Lucy and failed to knock her out.

 

[yutu]

Lucy defeated angel who was stronger than Grey (gemini proof). So lucy uses a mind to keep elfman and uses urano defeat elfman.

 

[Ramen]

FDK punch has never one shot Lucy. We have no idea if it would or wouldn't.

Doesn't change the fact though that your argument of Elfman winning against Lucy is based on Elfman standing against Madole yet fails to acknowledge Elfman fought Lucy with Mirajane in the exact same form he fought Madmole and Lucy was still standing and in fighting condition. So how would the outcome for Elfman be different this time? You say Elfman will win but how will he win? His Lion form that he used against Madmole was already used against Lucy and failed to knock her out.

It one shot Makarov who's far above Lucy. Like show me one time Lucy has had durability to tank one of those.

As @kianp67 already pointed out, they weren't serious. They took out her spirits which forced Lucy to close her Virgo and Leo gates and before anything happened Diabolos came in.

This is Mira serious

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This is her clearly not.

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Lucy defeated angel who was stronger than Grey (gemini proof). So lucy uses a mind to keep elfman and uses urano defeat elfman.

Angel? Seriously?

 

[Cosmicstar]

It one shot Makarov who's far above Lucy. Like show me one time Lucy has had durability to tank one of those.

As @kianp67 already pointed out, they weren't serious. They took out her spirits which forced Lucy to close her Virgo and Leo gates and before anything happened Diabolos came in.

This is Mira serious

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This is her clearly not.

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Angel? Seriously?

Once again they fought Lucy in the same forms they fought Skullion and Madmole. In his Lion form he only has physical attacks and used the same physical attacks against Lucy as he used against Madmole unless you have proof otherwise. This isn't Mirajane vs Lucy this is Elfman vs Lucy. Show me proof elfman can take Lucy out. You have yet to provide such a panel.

Also Lucy was able to withstand Ignia Natsu heat which is superior to FDK Natsu heat.

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[Ramen]

Once again they fought Lucy in the same forms they fought Skullion and Madmole. In his Lion form he only has physical attacks and used the same physical attacks against Lucy as he used against Madmole unless you have proof otherwise. This isn't Mirajane vs Lucy this is Elfman vs Lucy. Show me proof elfman can take Lucy out. You have yet to provide such a panel.

Better feats throughout the whole show? Physically stronger? He wasn't serious against Lucy, they were fighting her spirits and won handily.

 

[yutu]

It one shot Makarov who's far above Lucy. Like show me one time Lucy has had durability to tank one of those.

As @kianp67 already pointed out, they weren't serious. They took out her spirits which forced Lucy to close her Virgo and Leo gates and before anything happened Diabolos came in.

This is Mira serious

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This is her clearly not.

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Angel? Seriously?

For ma by elfman was serious against lucy but not mirajane nor during her fight with DE and lucy because during the fight against the mercenaries of the kingdom mira says that they become serious only when no one looks at her since elfman is with her she will not be serious so use this is true form.
During the oracion arch seis thanks to hibiki lucy used urano metria and defeated angel. Hibiki just passed the spell on to Lucy but Lucy used it with her own magic.

 

[mwarren100]

Elfman stomps. Her mix dress was utterly useless on Elf which means she has no way of beating him. Elf is a massive tank as well for being able to hold his own against Madmole who eats Demo-fists for lunch.

I hope my homegirl gets a huge boosts that says she can stomp Elfman in the future, but she is horribly outclass as of now.

I wouldn't say horribly outclassed but being the main heroine of the story lucy deserves to be on a higher level.

 

[Jko]

Lucy is losing this. Her best attack did nothing to Elfman. He walked it off like chump change and went head to head with one of the best tanks in the manga and stalemated him. Why y'all Lucy fans acting like Elfman weak or something? The dude proved multiple times that he's above the mid tier bracket of the guild lol.

I wouldn't say horribly outclassed but being the main heroine of the story lucy deserves to be on a higher level.

By feats she is outclassed. Her Golem feat is pretty good but like Elf already tanked her Mix Dress before with ease. He's just too tanky for her to do anything. He could let her wail on him until she is exhausted and still win. The dude's physical stats are just too good.

She deserves better, but this is how it is now.

 

[yutu]

Elfman stomps. Her mix dress was utterly useless on Elf which means she has no way of beating him. Elf is a massive tank as well for being able to hold his own against Madmole who eats Demo-fists for lunch.

I hope my homegirl gets a huge boosts that says she can stomp Elfman in the future, but she is horribly outclass as of now.

I don't agree with that, just because elfman resisted maiden that the others attacked that lucy will use against him won't work. The main example is urano metria. Lucy has 55 other mix dresses in her possession. Just because the lionx virgo dress didn't work doesn't mean the others won't work. It's like saying that if the arrow doesn't work the gunball won't work either.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Better feats throughout the whole show? Physically stronger? He wasn't serious against Lucy, they were fighting her spirits and won handily.

They were also fighting Lucy what are talking about. Virgo wasn't even serious.

Leo blocks Elfman lion man punch unscathed:

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Here is Elfman and Mirajane attack Lucy and Leo:

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Here is Elfman attacking Madmole: Madmole unscathed

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What attack does Elfman posses that would take Lucy out? None the the Strauss stans can answer this question. The whole argument for elfman winning is based on his durability but yet people can't actually explain how he defeats Lucy. Elfman actually needs an attack powerful enough to knock her out, which he doesn't posses.

The whole using Lucy vs the Sturass siblings argument is that we don't know if it was Mirajane or Elfman that damaged Leo and Lucy. Or who did the most damaged as both attacked them. However we clearly see Elfman punch do zero damage to Leo who blocks it with zero magic.

 

[Jko]

I don't agree with that, just because elfman resisted maiden that the others attacked that lucy will use against him won't work. The main example is urano metria. Lucy has 55 other mix dresses in her possession. Just because the lionx virgo dress didn't work doesn't mean the others won't work. It's like saying that if the arrow doesn't work the gunball won't work either.

Bruh, Loke is Lucy strongest spirit. He is the leader of Zodiac Gates and he has solo-ed people without Lucy's magic helping him. He got fodderized by Elf and that was after Elf tanked Lucy's best attack without much problem. 55 mix stardress ain't doing anything when her mix dress was already shown to be utterly useless against Elfman. You can try all the combos you want and the result will still be the same. The only way the result will ever change is if Lucy becomes stronger. Elf is simply at a higher level than Lucy operates at.

 

[kian]

Taurus wasn't one shot. He was hit in the back and Lucy closed his gate off screen however we see him fighting the Golems later that day. Given the time difference between the Spirit world and human world Taurus only took a couple of seconds to recover. Leo vs Elfman was off paneled for majority f the fight. Also Leo wasn't beat until Mirajane and Elfman joined forces to fight Lucy and Leo. Mind you neither Elfman nor Mirajane knocked Lucy or Leo unconscious

Also prove to me Elfman can knock Lucy out.

Also Lucy wasn't serious as she has multiple stardress forms and attacks she didn't use against Mirajane and Co. Also you act as though Lucy was only fighting Elfman and not also Lissana and Mirajane. I am sorry but if Elfman can't knock Lucy out with Mirajane and Lissana on his team I don't see him doing it on his own.

You’re being a complete delusional fan boy. Lucy isn’t as strong as you’ve hyped her up to be on your head.

You seriously need to re-evaluate what occurred in them chapters and not just ‘lucy didn’t live up to my expectations so let me make excuses to make up for it’

 

[Ramen]

Lucy is going to scratch the same person who did this?

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[Cosmicstar]

Bruh, Loke is Lucy strongest spirit. He is the leader of Zodiac Gates and he has solo-ed people without Lucy's magic helping him. He got fodderized by Elf and that was after Elf tanked Lucy's best attack without much problem. 55 mix stardress ain't doing anything when her mix dress was already shown to be utterly useless against Elfman. You can try all the combos you want and the result will still be the same. The only way the result will ever change is if Lucy becomes stronger. Elf is simply at a higher level than Lucy operates at.

The Issue with your statement is you claim Elfman fodderized Leo as though Mirajane wasn't also apart of the fight despite the fact we see both of them attacking Lucy and Leo. So your statement instead should read Elfman+Mirajane fodderized Lucy's spirits as Elfman didn't do it alone.

You also state Stardress mix didn't do anything to Elfman despite the fact we see him take damage from the attack. You clearly see him and Mirajane bruised from the attack. It might have not knocked them out but it did damage them.

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Matter of fact they have the same amount of damage from Lion maiden as they do after their fight with Madmole and Skullion.

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If Elfman was on a higher caliber wouldn't he have defeated Lucy especially with Mirajane backing him up. Even if he wasn't serious as you claim. You are overrating Elfman power and underrating Lucy. The fact you can't actually provide a panel of Elfman outclassing Lucy alone not with Mirajane just proves this.

You’re being a complete delusional fan boy. Lucy isn’t as strong as you’ve hyped her up to be on your head.

You seriously need to re-evaluate what occurred in them chapters and not just ‘lucy didn’t live up to my expectations so let me make excuses to make up for it’

What I am delusional about. You have yet to provide an attack from Elfman strong enough to knock Lucy out. You are saying elfman would fodderize Lucy despite the fact they already fought and it didn't happen and this is with Lissana and Mirajane backing him up. If elfman is as strong as you claim Lucy would have been defeated rather than the battle ending inclusive due to interference.


Once again what form would Elfman use to defeat Lucy? We know his Lion form can't do it as shown on panel. How is he going to knock her out.

 

[yutu]

Bruh, Loke is Lucy strongest spirit. He is the leader of Zodiac Gates and he has solo-ed people without Lucy's magic helping him. He got fodderized by Elf and that was after Elf tanked Lucy's best attack without much problem. 55 mix stardress ain't doing anything when her mix dress was already shown to be utterly useless against Elfman. You can try all the combos you want and the result will still be the same. The only way the result will ever change is if Lucy becomes stronger. Elf is simply at a higher level than Lucy operates at.

We already don't know Leo's statistics, we just know he's the leader, nothing more. Maybe his leadership status is just due to a point of magic above the other spirits, but in terms of defense he may be weaker than Taurus. You don't know yet if the other mixed dress doesn't do anything, that's just your point. To me it's like you're saying pokémon example: Charmander can't defeat Squirtle because he's fire type and Squirtle is water type but since Bulbasaur is plant type can defeat Squirtle then Bulbasaur can defeat Charmander and that's not true. Look at the statues of virgo and taurus The one of taurus is above virgo so you can tell yourself that if taurus is above virgo then so is her dress and so is the mixed dress of leo x taurus > leo x virgo and leo x aquarius > leo x taurus. For me your argument if the dress leo x virgo does not work then the other one is wrong either moreover the most powerful magic of lucy always remains urano

 

[Cosmicstar]

The five reasons I feel like Elfman is being overrated and Lucy underrated are as followed:

1. People can't answer the basic question of what Attack Elfman has that is strong enough to knock Lucy out or defeat her. Instead the bring up Elfman vs Madmole which doesn't answer the question at hand.

2. This brings me to number two in which case the Elfman vs Madmole arguement doesn't work as Elfman fought Lucy in the same form he fought Madmole except with Lucy he had Mirajane to help him out and it wasn't enough to knock her out or defeat her.

3. This brings me to number three in which people act as though Elfman alone defeated the spirits in which case that is 100% false as Mirajane took out Virgo and we seen Mirajane and Elfman together attack Lucy and Leo. The only time Elfman attacks Leo alone is when he first enters Lion form and Punches Leo in which case Leo blocks and is left unscathed.

4. People claim as though lion maiden didn't do anything to Elfman and Mirajane despite the fact we clearly see them bruised after the attack. This isn't even up for debate.

5. People claim Lion maiden is a weak attack yet we actually have other attacks to compare it to much more accurately. Lissana was knocked out by this attack while she was left standing and awake after attacks from Ajeel and was left awake after taking Sayla limit release nuke and left in her Takeover form. We can without a doubt class it stronger than those attacks.

This is all fact. What isn't fact or backed by fact is that Mirajane and Elfman weren't serious against Lucy which is never stated in the Manga. That is all personal opinion. Add to the fact people logic is flawed because you claim since Elfman attacks hurt Madmole they are as strong as a FDK punch but yet claim Lucy couldn't withstand a FDK punch despite the fact she withstand punches from Elfman and Mirajane in the same forms they fought Skullion and Madmole in. Saying they weren't serious is personal opinion to save face and make you logic make sense despite the fact it is never stated in the manga they weren't serious against Lucy.

 

[Jko]

The Issue with your statement is you claim Elfman fodderized Leo as though Mirajane wasn't also apart of the fight despite the fact we see both of them attacking Lucy and Leo. So your statement instead should read Elfman+Mirajane fodderized Lucy's spirits as Elfman didn't do it alone.

You also state Stardress mix didn't do anything to Elfman despite the fact we see him take damage from the attack. You clearly see him and Mirajane bruised from the attack. It might have not knocked them out but it did damage them.

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Matter of fact they have the same amount of damage from Lion maiden as they do after their fight with Madmole and Skullion.

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If Elfman was on a higher caliber wouldn't he have defeated Lucy especially with Mirajane backing him up. Even if he wasn't serious as you claim. You are overrating Elfman power and underrating Lucy. The fact you can't actually provide a panel of Elfman outclassing Lucy alone not with Mirajane just proves this.



What I am delusional about. You have yet to provide an attack from Elfman strong enough to knock Lucy out. You are saying elfman would fodderize Lucy despite the fact they already fought and it didn't happen and this is with Lissana and Mirajane backing him up. If elfman is as strong as you claim Lucy would have been defeated rather than the battle ending inclusive due to interference.


Once again what form would Elfman use to defeat Lucy? We know his Lion form can't do it as shown on panel. How is he going to knock her out.

Leo was getting beat up by Elfman far before that and I see no reason for Mira to need to step into the fight between them as Elf was clearly beating Loke around.

That damage was at best scuff marks and dirt marks. They clearly had not gotten injured from the attack and were completely fine to battle another batch of far stronger fighters lol.

No, they have taken more damage as they have been stated to be injured. Plus they are sweating after the fight as well. You are trying to create a false narrative with the drawings of battle damage (lol) which doesn't reflect what the actual story is telling us.

Elfman nor Mira needed each others help to take out Lucy. They clearly held back throughout the fight and suffered no actual damage from Lucy's strongest attack. If they were serious then Lucy would have been oneshotted and that was shown when they fight people who would fodderize Lucy in the same forms they fought Lucy in lol.

We already don't know Leo's statistics, we just know he's the leader, nothing more. Maybe his leadership status is just due to a point of magic above the other spirits, but in terms of defense he may be weaker than Taurus. You don't know yet if the other mixed dress doesn't do anything, that's just your point. To me it's like you're saying pokémon example: Charmander can't defeat Squirtle because he's fire type and Squirtle is water type but since Bulbasaur is plant type can defeat Squirtle then Bulbasaur can defeat Charmander and that's not true. Look at the statues of virgo and taurus The one of taurus is above virgo so you can tell yourself that if taurus is above virgo then so is her dress and so is the mixed dress of leo x taurus > leo x virgo and leo x aquarius > leo x taurus. For me your argument if the dress leo x virgo does not work then the other one is wrong either moreover the most powerful magic of lucy always remains urano

His previous feats and portrayal place him as the strongest Spirit of the Zodiac Gates. This isn't pokemon bruh. Just bcs Juvia is a water mage and that is considered Natsu's weakness doesn't mean Natsu wouldn't stomp the crap out of Juvia lol. Weakness only means that their magic is exploitable but unless you're strong enough to do actual damage then that weakness is meaningless. Lucy's too weak to exploit a weakness against Elfman and she has no hax to speak of to restrain him indefinitely. So she's out of luck against Elfman. Elfman is far stronger than Lucy therefore he wins. There's nothing Lucy has shown to stop Elfman or beat him. The gap between their physical stats is too big for something like strategies or type advantages to play a factor in the fight.

 

[One4All]

For me,this is a toss up. I just need to see Elfman onscreen fights to be convinced he is >>> Lucy. I'm just not impressed with his offscreen fight with the DE duo. As for him tanking Lion Maiden(which was merely focused on Lisanna,Elf and Mira not being the center of the attack),isn't the same could be said with Madmole tanking and injuring Lion Elf the 1st time he punched him? I'm more impressed of Lucy keeping up with the strauss siblings than Elf keeping with Madmole. Also,it was 1 vs 3 compared to 2 vs 2. If Elf and Mira(@full power) >= DE duo,Lucy keeping up w/ Elf and Mira plus Lisanna is an impressive feat for Lucy.

This fight would be like Elfman vs Bacchus. While Lucy has a lot of powerful attacks now(w/ some combinations and spirits on the side),Elf is clearly a tank. Offense vs Defense. Hiro just didn't care much about Elfman's fight after GMG. I just need to see him winning against a strong opponent onscreen to conclude he is clearly >>> Lucy. I put him,Lucy and Wendy(no belserion) around the same tier for now.

TBH,offscreen fights are really disappointing.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Leo was getting beat up by Elfman far before that and I see no reason for Mira to need to step into the fight between them as Elf was clearly beating Loke around.

That damage was at best scuff marks and dirt marks. They clearly had not gotten injured from the attack and were completely fine to battle another batch of far stronger fighters lol.

No, they have taken more damage as they have been stated to be injured. Plus they are sweating after the fight as well. You are trying to create a false narrative with the drawings of battle damage (lol) which doesn't reflect what the actual story is telling us.

Elfman nor Mira needed each others help to take out Lucy. They clearly held back throughout the fight and suffered no actual damage from Lucy's strongest attack. If they were serious then Lucy would have been oneshotted and that was shown when they fight people who would fodderize Lucy in the same forms they fought Lucy in lol.


His previous feats and portrayal place him as the strongest Spirit of the Zodiac Gates. This isn't pokemon bruh. Just bcs Juvia is a water mage and that is considered Natsu's weakness doesn't mean Natsu wouldn't stomp the crap out of Juvia lol. Weakness only means that their magic is exploitable but unless you're strong enough to do actual damage then that weakness is meaningless. Lucy's too weak to exploit a weakness against Elfman and she has no hax to speak of to restrain him indefinitely. So she's out of luck against Elfman. Elfman is far stronger than Lucy therefore he wins. There's nothing Lucy has shown to stop Elfman or beat him. The gap between their physical stats is too big for something like strategies or type advantages to play a factor in the fight.

Opinion versus Fact. I already showed you the panel of Elfman and Mirajane attacking Lucy and Leo together. I showed you the panel of Lion Elfman attacking Leo and Leo noting being scathed. There is no panel showing Elfman bruising Leo before Mirajane joined him to attack both Lucy and Leo. Leo and Lucy had the same amount of attacks as Elfman and Mirajane so if you think all Mirajane and Elfman was scuffed up then so was Lucy and Leo. Lucy also went on to fight.

Show me the panel in which Mirajane and Elfman state they weren't serious against Lucy. This isn't pokemon but Lucy already confirmed Taurus would be a better fit to fight Elfman. Skullion never fodderized Lucy neither did Madmole as they never fight so we don't know how the fight would have went. Lucy and the Strauss already fought and no one was fodderized so stop it. If you can't actually provide manga panels then stop claiming stuff.

 

[yutu]

His previous feats and portrayal place him as the strongest Spirit if the Zodiac. This isn't pokemon bruh. Just bcs Juvia is a water mage and that is considered Natsu's weakness doesn't mean Natsu wouldn't stomp the crap out of Juvia lol. Weakness only means they have an exploit in their magic but unless you're strong enough to do actual damage then that weakness is meaningless. Lucy's to weak to exploit a weakness against Elfman and she has no hax to speak of to restrain him indefinitely. So she's out of luck against Elfman. Elfman is far stronger than Lucy therefore he wins. There's nothing Lucy has shown to stop Elfman or beat him. The gap between their physical stats is too big for something like strategies or type advantages to play a factor in the fight.

You say natsu can defeat juvia but your argument about mixed sardress shows me the opposite.
Well I see that you always maintained that with the other stardress or strategy it will not change elfman will always win but you could see in fairy tail that this is false. Also you don't know how the maiden spell works and how elfman can resist because maiden may have a power like an earthquake where the power decreases as you move away from the epicenter and since elfman was not in the epicenter it didn't affect him or since mirajane was next to elfman she was able to carry him to fly away and reduce the damage because I doubt that this technique works well on a person who can fly.

Anyway there is always urano that always remains the most powerful spell and if you tell me that elfman will resist to that I will drop it because I will consider it as bad faith from you because urano defeated enemies stronger than lucy and I will also tell myself that if lucy uses the king of the spirits you will say that elfman will always win against lucy.