Fantasy Lucy vs Minerva

[Kiki]

yees , example jacob


CQC?

it's like barehanded, taijutsu, martial art skills etc

 

[yutu]

according to yukino at saberthooth they learn martial arts. Lucy does not know but she is good at whipping.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

according to yukino at saberthooth they learn martial arts. Lucy does not know but she is good at whipping.

Lucy Kick is the best martial technique there is.

 

[Jko]

In chapter 501 lucy uses the key to open scorpio and activates her stardress and the key is always with her so her watch needs the key to activate it. Chapter 7 100yq , Lucy uses her key. We can't see her hand, but the pose shows that she must use the key. For a gemini like that. With taurus she has the key. Just because the author doesn't show the scene doesn't mean Lucy doesn't do it. You can just tell yourself that the author didn't want to show the gesture to avoid wasting a square and that the reader knows how Lucy activates her stardress so there's no need to show the scene. As long as Lucy or some other character won't say that Lucy activates her dress without the key, then in my eyes she has to activate it with her key.

For horlogium the hades attack was dimensional if I remember correctly. On the other hand, sure for Jacob and Edolas. Minerva doesn't send in another dimension. He was able to intervene on arcadio but not on minerva so for me his watch says he can't do it with minerva. Even if he could, he would indicate every time that he has a limited time or can act only once, thus blocking only one attack and not the others. So Lucy loses.

She did that to summon her spirit not her stardress. It was already shown with Aquarius, Sagittarius, Cancer, Loke, and Capricorn dress that she does not need the key to go into it. Furthermore she did not touch the keys to go into mix dress either. She doesn't need to touch they keys to use stardress or mixdress which means she doesn't need the keys to use them.

Spoiler

Hades was not stated to be a dimensional attack so it was just a regular attack that could have killed Wendy. Minerva has abilities to send others to another dimension. She has spacial magic and Horologium protects from spacial magic. Like I said, Horologium comes out for any emergency situation, it is just Mashima tends to forget said ability. He would only need to block one attack so Lucy can summon her spirits to back her up lol.

Lucy stomps. She only needs Stardress to win. Mix dress is a oneshot and her spirits backing her makes it a bigger stomp. Lucy's feats are much stronger than Minerva at this point lol.

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hold on jko-kun
gemini marin should negate both lucy and minerva's magic, shouldnt it?

Lucy vs Minerva CQC.... who wins?

Yes, but that is only when she wanted to disable all spacial magic so FT could be saved. If she has him use the area of effects then Marin can stop her spacial magic and teleport her to another dimension like he did Lucy and Erza.

Lucy since she has shown better cqc skills then Minerva lol. Plus she still has her whips.

 

[yutu]

She did that to summon her spirit not her stardress. It was already shown with Aquarius, Sagittarius, Cancer, Loke, and Capricorn dress that she does not need the key to go into it. Furthermore she did not touch the keys to go into mix dress either. She doesn't need to touch they keys to use stardress or mixdress which means she doesn't need the keys to use them.


Hades was not stated to be a dimensional attack so it was just a regular attack that could have killed Wendy. Minerva has abilities to send others to another dimension. She has spacial magic and Horologium protects from spacial magic. Like I said, Horologium comes out for any emergency situation, it is just Mashima tends to forget said ability. He would only need to block one attack so Lucy can summon her spirits to back her up lol.

Lucy stomps. She only needs Stardress to win. Mix dress is a oneshot and her spirits backing her makes it a bigger stomp. Lucy's feats are much stronger than Minerva at this point lol.

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Yes, but that is only when she wanted to disable all spacial magic so FT could be saved. If she has him use the area of effects then Marin can stop her spacial magic and teleport her to another dimension like he did Lucy and Erza.

Lucy since she has shown better cqc skills then Minerva lol. Plus she still has her whips.

As I said before, the author need not show every time Lucy touches those keys to say she is useful to her dress. The picture shows from a distance the hand of brandish who doesn't tell us that she's managing to catch her key right now the same for lisanna. For Aquarius, it's due to the spirit king. Let's say she uses the keyless dress. Believing that robes can counter or defeat Minerva is exaggerated because, as we can see in the naval battle, she can bend magic. For horlogium, let's say that I accept that it can counter the magic of minerva, it acts either once to protect and if lucy has the inside of the clock and minerva can't make it go away. She either used her war god magic against the clock or waited until the protection time ran out before attacking. Minerva has about the same power as erza.


I hope you are joking and you are not one of the people who say that elfman beats lucy because for me it would be a big inconsistency because erza beats elfman and minerva with her spatial magic can bend the magic, the same level as erza. So she beats elfman by a wide margin. If she loses to a magician who's supposedly weaker than elfman, that would be weird.

The problem with gemini is that it can copy only 2 individuals and the individual copied must be next to it. So to copy marin, he'd have to be next to her. It is therefore impossible to copy marin unless the Geminis can take the appearance of the people Lucy has photographed. But I doubt she has one of marin's or that the gemini dress could copy everything she's thinking about. When it's a 1 vs 1 Lucy can only copy two individuals herself or her opponent.

 

[Jko]

As I said before, the author need not show every time Lucy touches those keys to say she is useful to her dress. The picture shows from a distance the hand of brandish who doesn't tell us that she's managing to catch her key right now the same for lisanna. For Aquarius, it's due to the spirit king. Let's say she uses the keyless dress. Believing that robes can counter or defeat Minerva is exaggerated because, as we can see in the naval battle, she can bend magic. For horlogium, let's say that I accept that it can counter the magic of minerva, it acts either once to protect and if lucy has the inside of the clock and minerva can't make it go away. She either used her war god magic against the clock or waited until the protection time ran out before attacking. Minerva has about the same power as erza.


I hope you are joking and you are not one of the people who say that elfman beats lucy because for me it would be a big inconsistency because erza beats elfman and minerva with her spatial magic can bend the magic, the same level as erza. So she beats elfman by a wide margin. If she loses to a magician who's supposedly weaker than elfman, that would be weird.

The problem with gemini is that it can copy only 2 individuals and the individual copied must be next to it. So to copy marin, he'd have to be next to her. It is therefore impossible to copy marin unless the Geminis can take the appearance of the people Lucy has photographed. But I doubt she has one of marin's or that the gemini dress could copy everything she's thinking about. When it's a 1 vs 1 Lucy can only copy two individuals herself or her opponent.

He already show her use Aquarius, a key she doesn't have, Stardress. That already solidifies she can use it without her keys. I then futher proved it by her not needing to touch her keys to use Stardress. If she needed her keys to use Stardress then she would need to touch them like she does when she summons her spirits. You have to provide proof that taking her keys stops her use of Stardress. Also if it was bcs the CSK only then she would have only been able to use it as one time power up like Natsu with Igneel's magic, but it wasn't a temp power up as she taught herself how to do it. Stardress Lucy >>>> Minerva in physicals and Minerva can't just teleport magic away either. War God magic barely hurt Tenrou Erza and Kagura that isn't doing much to Horologium lol. Plus she can summon her spirits in Horologium to take out Minerva. Current Loke/Taurus/Capricorn >> Minerva in stats and Gemini can copy Minerva lol.

Minerva is not on Erza's level. She was only on Tenrou Erza level and Elfman would stomp Tartarus Erza at this point. Also Elfman would beat Minerva bcs she has nothing to hurt him. She had trouble with a H12 while he fights actual S12 level opponents. So no, there's not an inconsistency in my statement that Elf is stronger than Lucy.

At the time she had Marin under her list of copied people. Doesn't matter bcs she won't need it. Plus she can just copy Minerva bcs she has proven her MP >>> Minerva's.

 

[yutu]

He already show her use Aquarius, a key she doesn't have, Stardress. That already solidifies she can use it without her keys. I then futher proved it by her not needing to touch her keys to use Stardress. If she need her keys to use Stardress then she would need to touch them like she does when she summons her spirits. You have to provide proof that taking her keys stops her use of Stardress. Also if ot was bcs the CSK then she would have only been able to use it as one time power up like Natsu woth Igneel's magic, but it wasn't a temp power up as she taught herself how to do it. War God magic didn't barely hurt Tenrou Erza and Kagura that isn't doing much to Horologium lol. Plus she can summon her spirits in Horologium to take out Minerva. Current Loke/Taurus/Capricorn >> Minerva in stats and Gemini can copy Minerva lol.

Minerva is not on Erza's level. She was only on Tenrou Erza level and Elfman would stomp Tartarus Erza at this point. Also Elfman would beat Minerva bcs she has nothing to hurt him. She had trouble with a H12 while he fights actual S12 level opponents. So no, there's not an inconsistency in my statement that Elf is stronger than Lucy.

At the time she had Marin under her list of copied people. Doesn't matter bcs she won't need it. Plus she can just copy Minerva bcs she has proven her MP >>> Minerva's.

For Aquarius, I said that it was due to the king of the spirits, because to say: a key that she didn't have allowed to activate the stardress would mean that she could have the libra robe and pisce too. But I don't think that's what you mean. As I said the author is not obliged to show every time the scene of Lucy used the keys to turn into stardress. Nevertheless prove to me that the author had forgotten the clockwork capabilities during the naval battle. In my opinion erza and kagura are more resistant than clockwork. In order to defeat Minerva, Erza had to use her kami armor without it. She had a hard time defeating Minerva. This is even what minerva says in the arc of the village of the sun that she found a way to counter this tack that it is thanks to this tack that minerva lost against erza in the magic games.

You're telling me that elfman today is trampling on the erza de tartaros, I doubt very much that's the same level. I highly doubt that he can defeat minerva because she can teleport him or she wants to + the magic of the gods of war + compressed air or water and other . Knowing that she was fighting three spriggans stronger thanjeel. Elfman needed lisanna to defeat him without her, he would be knocked out in one shot because without her he couldn't get out of the hole and she had to intervene a lot in this fight. Well, I'm stopping the bus because I think you're being very inconsistent about the strength of the elfman and minerva.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Minerva still superior.

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Lucy never showed to be an MP higher than Minerva's. That is not true.

 

[Ramen]

Minerva is actual fodder.

 

[yutu]

Minerva is actual fodder.

because she lost against erza?

 

[Ronin31]

They are as strong as in the current arcs.

We can't answer.
Lucy rise an another level since past year, Elfman as well, Laxus is even far stronger in every of his stats....

We haven't seen Gildarts, Minerva, Sting and Rogue since past year, we don't know their current power level.

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Minerva is actual fodder.

How do you know that ? We haven't seen her since past year. And no, she wasn't fodder. She was portrayed as one of the strongest wizard in GmG and managed to win against Spriggan's Historia who was amped by Irene's Berserker magic.

She was not top tier like Erza or Laxus but still a very strong opponent.

As people like Laxus, Lucy, Lisanna and Elfman rise to an another level since Arbaless, perhaps Minerva as well. Assumptions because we don't know. It's unfair to make comparaison between Elfman's improvement and Lucy's to X782 Minerva. We haven't got data.

In same way, I can say Current Laxus is stronger than Gildarts. Isn't it unfair for Gildarts as we don't know his current strength ?

 

[Ramen]

because she lost against erza?

Because she's fodder.

We can't answer.
Lucy rise an another level since past year, Elfman as well, Laxus is even far stronger in every of his stats....

We haven't seen Gildarts, Minerva, Sting and Rogue since past year, we don't know their current power level.

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How do you know that ? We haven't seen her since past year. And no, she wasn't fodder. She was portrayed as one of the strongest wizard in GmG and managed to win against Spriggan's Historia who was amped by Irene's Berserker magic.

She was not top tier like Erza or Laxus but still a very strong opponent.

As people like Laxus, Lucy, Lisanna and Elfman rise to an another level since Arbaless, perhaps Minerva as well. Assumptions because we don't know. It's unfair to make comparaison between Elfman's improvement and Lucy's to X782 Minerva. We haven't got data.

In same way, I can say Current Laxus is stronger than Gildarts. Isn't it unfair for Gildarts as we don't know his current strength ?

Are you seriously trying to compare Gildarts and Minerva? Lol

 

[Ronin31]

Are you seriously trying to compare Gildarts and Minerva? Lol

Of course not. I only put analogy on the fact we have actually no idea of Gildarts X793 stats. Same as Minerva, Sting and Rogue.
In that way, all here are assumptions, like saying Current Gildarts >=< Current Laxus. How to say without Character's data ?

I am not a perfect reader of Fairy Tail but I still know that Gildarts is in a league above Minerva, at same timeline.

The fact is that Fairy Tail's members grow in strength far faster than any other guilds. It's Fairy Tail, nothing else to say.
I'm ok seeing Elfman or Lucy > Minerva. If not, Lucy will be far stronger at the end of the Manga.
But in my opinion, it is unfair to make analogy between a current character who has grown far stronger to a character which her current level is not yet define.

 

[Ramen]

Of course not. I only put analogy on the fact we have actually no idea of Gildarts X793 stats. Same as Minerva, Sting and Rogue.
In that way, all here are assumptions, like saying Current Gildarts >=< Current Laxus. How to say without Character's data ?

I am not a perfect reader of Fairy Tail but I still know that Gildarts is in a league above Minerva, at same timeline.

The fact is that Fairy Tail's members grow in strength far faster than any other guilds. It's Fairy Tail, nothing else to say.
I'm ok seeing Elfman or Lucy > Minerva. If not, Lucy will be far stronger at the end of the Manga.
But in my opinion, it is unfair to make analogy between a current character who has grown far stronger to a character which her current level is not yet define.

Because we know that Gildarts was always a top tier and he will continue to be one.

Minerva has been degrading ever since the GMG

 

[Ratrace]

Because we know that Gildarts was always a top tier and he will continue to be one.

Minerva has been degrading ever since the GMG

She not important

 

[Ramen]

She not important

That's my point.

 

[Ratrace]

That's my point.

That doesn't that mean she's weak because you can say that about other characters. Like Ronin31 said some FT members grow faster than most mages outside of FT

 

[Ramen]

Doesn't that mean she's weak because you can say that about other characters

Here's what I say:

Minerva is an irrelevant character. She's not even in FT, the only strong one is Sting and even he wouldn't be in top 7 of the guild. She's been degrading ever since the GMG.......and 2-3 years later.....she can't compete with Lucy.

@Ronin31 Is trying to compare her situation to Gildarts who could solo the ST guild with pure ease. Like that is next level.

 

[Axiomus]

Only some characters have broken the X791 powerscale. Mainly the people that have dedicated the year to training. Lucy is around Wendy's level, and Wendy is still below Jura tiers like Bluenote.

Lucy is probably strong enough to not get stomped by Minerva, probably even win. But it wouldn't be a stomp. Lisanna didnt get stomped, and she's pretty much fodder tier.

 

[Ramen]

Lisanna didnt get stomped, and she's pretty much fodder tier.

Yes she was.