Games Mafia Game 108 - Mob Psycho 100 (75%)

Crescent Jinx · Dec 18, 2022

This is on discord but will put here too.

Marmalade · Dec 15, 2022

Hmm okay. Kinda assuming it's the same for paranoid spy tbh, that makes the most sense?

Farfalla · Dec 15, 2022

That's what I wanted to check, cause I was reviewing notes during the night phase, saw that we never asked Baka about her N2 target, and wondered if maybe she was like Kat that targeted someone that claimed to not have acted. Jinx told me both blocks and no actions situations wouldn't get a PM.

So here's what we have about the Spy Family x Hoe issue:

- wojak as Hoe claims he blocked as such: N1 Sam (Sam confirmed getting blocked), N2 Sakura, N3 Holt

In N2 we have
- Jambaka claims they spied on Gry and got no PM in return
- Kat claims she spied on GB and got no PM in return
> Sakura was blocked; GB didn't act (both according to other claims)

In N3 we have
- Jambaka claims they investigated Gry and got no PM in return
- Kat claims she spied on Gry and got no PM in return
> No block claim; Gry claims he acted
> Holt was blocked (according to another claim)

So
(1)
- if wojak and Jambaka are both honest, we lack a declared blocker on Jambaka.
- if Kat is also honest, then that doesn't necessarily mean that she was blocked, but that Gry didn't act at night.
So in this either we have 2 Escorts on the loose (the game didn't show us evidence of 3 blockers in days before) or 1 Escort and Gry as liar.

(2)
- if wojak is lying and both Jambaka and Kat are legit, we lack a declared blocker on one of them.
So in this either we have 2 Escorts on the loose (one being wojak) or 1 Escort (Wojak) and Gry and Holt as liars.

(3)
- if wojak and Kat are being honest and Jambaka is lying, we lack a declared blocker on Kat.
So in this either we have 1 Escort on the lose and Jambaka as liar.
In this scenario, Jambaka has a role that gets feedback, cause they knew they were blocked in N2 - and shouldn't be of a killer, since it's the night we got a kill fest.

(4)
- if wojak and either Kat or Jambaka are lying (while the other one is honest), then wojak is blocking the honest one while the lying one is flying by.

Am I forgetting something? What looks more realistic to you people? 3 blockers, 2 escorts and no hoe, 1 escort and 1 hoe, 1 escort and a lying necro/spy?

The rules about spies not getting responses are conflicting, you have a place that leads you to believe there's no PM (interactions), while there's a PM model for it. I've made this confusion as a host in the past, so I've asked Jinx what's she using this time, then threw the question to Baka and Kat - they both answered just like Jinx did. They could have double checked like me, or could have seen the other one reply first, but I'm leaning to believe they're real deals and not lying. That would be scenarios 1 or 2.

Edit adding: considering we lack kills in N3, when Holt was blocked, and he'd know that as a killer, then scenario 1 would be more likely.

Kat · Dec 15, 2022

wojak said:
3 blocks are not easy to trust. I would say I trust baka. and I also blocked holt. Which means were are you @Kat ?

I have already explained my theory that there naturally is Prostitute (you) and Escort (who knows) and I think there might be another secondary prostitute/escort since night 2 only 2 claimed to be blocked and N3 there is three of us. I have shared my results first so if I was mafia I would have waited and if two people claimed to have been blocked I would adjust the results to that. I believe Baka was blocked with her role and there were good roles to choose from for her to use. Holt said he got blocked and you confirmed so it is likely true unless you two are on two different mafia teams.

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@Farfalla do you think there could be a Prostitute/Escort temporary? Well based on the blocks I would guess probably Escort. Seems like there is quite a few temporaries this game so it would make sense.

Farfalla · Dec 15, 2022

Hm could be a temp thing I think, wouldn't say Hoe tho, imo that would be defo Escort

To answer to DD, I think Holt defo looks fishy but DD also seems comfy right now, let's see how he uses SM. I think among Raven, GB and Bran there's defo mafia (maybe more than 1) cause of the numbers and lack of people that could easieshy fit the Escort, but I also think the whole mess + Shijima + issues I had before with Gry could make him scum.

Another excercise people could be making: get the 12 living players and remove the ones you feel comfortable about - pick like 5 you trust the least among the remaining ones, who are they?

Brandish μ · Dec 15, 2022

digitaldude said:
if brandish is pirate shouldnt he get the nvd then?

Baka Taichou said:
=-= odd

Baka Taichou said:
why didn't you use sickly on other nights on other targets?

I explained (in a sense) why I didn't use the role earlier. Pirate is not my primary (don't wish to discuss my primary).

GB said:
Are you actually kidding me sickly with the sickly mechanic? Like hell I buy that

If you are not lynched today would you like the flu? Surely the team wouldn't block something that doesn't prove I'm town at all.

Kat · Dec 15, 2022

Farfalla said:
Another excercise people could be making: get the 12 living players and remove the ones you feel comfortable about - pick like 5 you trust the least among the remaining ones, who are they?

Not in any particular order but here are the 5 I trust the least:

Holt (because of the entire day today)
DD (until proven my sanity)
Gry (same reason as DD, plus that VT claim possible slip up that turned into Banshee among other reasons that have already been mentioned since the very beginning)
Brandish (I feel like the sickly claim is easy as it can be mafia sickly as far as I know, plus I can't think of any other active town role that would require not talking about at this stage after all the losses)
GB/Raven (They are not claiming so I would say one of them could be scummy too, or both in that regard, but I have been told Raven is being Raven, so I would probably choose GB between these two)

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I will try to stay here for the remaining 3ish hours but it was a very long day at work today so I am likely to pass out. In case I fall asleep: Votekill Holt

Brandish μ · Dec 15, 2022

Apologies for quoting you Baka when you've asked to be subbed.

I'll use Sickly tonight to at least confirm I have that secondary, so that there's no confusion of the possibility that there's Sickly in this game.

Regarding that block summary above, is anyone counter claiming wojak?

Erinyes said:
no sane spy gets a result even when he's blocked. he gets this :

" Your investigation ended with no results. "

Well bran was spy last game I sent some of the pms and im 100% confident about it, sane spy always receives a pm.

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Unrelated, I got some chocolates ,sweets from kids and their parents , so yeah fels good <3

Yep, that's how I understand it generally, but there has been games that PM iirc.

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@Erinyes @digitaldude did dd claim he copied SM before Erin claimed she was SM?

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Sorry I've missed a lot of the thread.

Erinyes · Dec 15, 2022

Brandish μ said:
@Erinyes @digitaldude did dd claim he copied SM before Erin claimed she was SM?

No he claimed after I posted mly results.

@Jammin do you have a secondary role ?

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Brandish μ said:
Yep, that's how I understand it generally, but there has been games that PM iirc.

I think that point should be clarified in the rules. So should be clarified necromancer use.

Holt · Dec 15, 2022

Will votekill GB.

Tbh I think the mafia team is quite stacked. I haven't really been paying much attention to the game, but even considering that, I'm unusually stumped. In a game of at least 5 scum, even with demon as a supposed scum, it's quite unnatural to be this lost when there are 4 or more roaming.

I will admit I made mistakes, though I will maintain those mistakes are too ridiculous to be slip-ups and rather understandable if you consider I'm just not into the game yet. I know this myself, but the majority of folks seem to be against me. The reason I'm not even too pissed about this is because I did make mistakes that even I would question if it weren't me.

In terms of suspects, GB, Raven rubbing me off wrong just because they've not provided anything and the game is hard enough as is already. I've been suspecting Gry, but honestly, I'm less sure the more I see from him. Brandish is somewhere on there too, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt based on how he usually plays. I'm not sold on Erin. She had a hypothesis of one-time Janitor use, but an investigator to counter that (one-time or no) seems extremely redundant. For Farf, idk. I want to trust her, but some people have to be lying. I think she's being very harsh this game (with Shijima and me), but again idk. She's in the gray area with Gry. I don't trust DD, because I think 2 apprentices are pointless. I think he was also watching carefully. When it seemed I was on the ropes, he was willing to join in early (though I probably still am on the ropes), but without committing too much himself. GB too tried to backtrack a bit. Both seemed like opportunists tbh.

For people I trust, atm it's only Wojak. Marm and to a lesser degree, Baka/Jammin. It would be worth questioning Jammin a fair bit in these early stages. If there's something Baka lied about, there's a high chance he didn't catch it yet and could contradict here.

Lynch order for me would be GB, Raven, DD, Kat, Gry, Erin, Farf. I personally think one of Gry or Farf is mafia. Town may not have done much, but I think the mafia team is quite composed, and someone of their caliber would have to be in there.

I will likely not return anytime soon, though I will still be around for a bit. I definitely won't be here EOD.

Jammin · Dec 15, 2022

I do not. Just Necro.

For the record, my PMs are filled with awkward silence. And as far as I know all roles are still usable by me because Baka was blocked before she could res anything.

wojak · Dec 15, 2022

I’m kind of 50/50 about holt after what he said in the end.
I’ll change my vote to grysun
Votekill grysun

Erinyes · Dec 15, 2022

Jammin said:
I do not. Just Necro.

For the record, my PMs are filled with awkward silence. And as far as I know all roles are still usable by me because Baka was blocked before she could res anything.

Who ws N3 target and doid she try to use it on N1

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and N2

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Holt said:
She had a hypothesis of one-time Janitor use,

I dont know about thats just an option, its either a one time use or a constantly blocked janitor ( and Afaik o,nly one person claimed to be consistently blocked) I do believe there is a poisoner that would fit N2 deaths and possibly someoen hitted PGO.

@Jammin you got PGO right ?

Jammin · Dec 15, 2022

N1 > Nothing (Presumably because nobody was dead, I didn't ask.)
N2 > Spy on Gry [Blocked] (Supposedly by Wojak. Which I believe.)
N3 > Detective on Gry [Blocked] (By ????? )

wojak · Dec 15, 2022

Farfalla said:
Hm could be a temp thing I think, wouldn't say Hoe tho, imo that would be defo Escort

To answer to DD, I think Holt defo looks fishy but DD also seems comfy right now, let's see how he uses SM. I think among Raven, GB and Bran there's defo mafia (maybe more than 1) cause of the numbers and lack of people that could easieshy fit the Escort, but I also think the whole mess + Shijima + issues I had before with Gry could make him scum.

Another excercise people could be making: get the 12 living players and remove the ones you feel comfortable about - pick like 5 you trust the least among the remaining ones, who are they?

Grysun, brandish, Raven, GB, Holt

GrySun · Dec 15, 2022

I think we‘re mainly losing to afk mafias, either way I‘m excited for postgame to see what went wrong for us and where.

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Farfalla said:
Another excercise people could be making: get the 12 living players and remove the ones you feel comfortable about - pick like 5 you trust the least among the remaining ones, who are they?

GB, Raven, Brandish, Holt, Kat.