Games Mafia Game 115 - Inscryption - END GAME

[Shad]

Panda, like all of us, are keeping options open because we're still in the dark a fair bit fumbling along the dark path so to speak. Some of your behaviour has made you less trustworthy than say Kay for example, and you latched onto Van's theory very quickly. I wouldn't say it's impossible but you came right out with 100% belief for it. Maybe it's irrational town Shad again but it's enough to put me on guard after previous instances of less than optimal town play this game.

It my theory, go read my first post of the day, he just was the first to come to the same theory.

I don't think you can say I'm being irational until I'm proven wrong, like with xad.

 

[Marmalade]

Though I wonder if the last mafia (besides possibly DD, if we are right about it) could be trying to blend in as much as possible and save themself. Wouldn't say sacrificing someone for the sake of that is ideal though, especially in a smaller game like this.
I don't know, could also be mafia just chilling and seeing us go for a townie again. Which is why I really wish DD would get here and (hopefully) enlighten us a bit

 

[Vandred]

Don't let me distract anyone from DD's lynch but I'm gonna go ahead and votekill GB for the record. Even if Panda ends up having nothing to do with him that Avenger claim feels off in this game no matter how you slice it, on top of everything else already said.

 

[Copy Panda]

I'm always fixated on the numbers but to be fair, this time it's been Shad, you and others who kept bringing them up before I did.

I checked and today, before your first post, I mentioned there being a few members left, to illustrate that the mafia team is small and any lose of life is precarious + Sam who explained to Marms what the ratios of town/mafia are.

When I say you are fixated on numbers, maybe I should clarify it as "feigned" fixation, as I really don't think those numbers were an issue in any way. This argument + your focus on the actual number of mafias left feels like a vain attempt at creating something out of nothing. Grasping.

The point is precisely that your calling out to lawl is masked as addressing a separate issue. But assuming you weren't, wouldn't that be lawl throwing shade on you, so a point in favour of his being mafia (possibly frustratingly oblivious to you)?

Please read his comment. It is so incoherent, forget town or mafia, in one sentence he mentions like 3 unrelated things. That's why I jokingly asked if he's even paying attention to what's happening. Again, you're rly trying to make something out of nothing. He's suspect, but not because of that one interaction.

Would you only suspect someone of being a Traitor if they were talking about Traitors incessantly?

I would certainly be influenced by it, which is why I think you and your predecessor were suspicious. Especially after your list that, again, contains the first townie to die + our most confirmed townie. Not to mention the grasping ^ It's a bad look.

Fair point on having a list of suspects, still not a big issue when it's about Traitors. Results speak more than words, and so far it's been all riding on the credibility gained from Xad's lynch in order to lynch a townie and getting everyone to focus on his non-voters.

Sure but this happened just the other day (at the end of that day even), so I don't think it's irrelevant or 'history'? The result I got that day was killing a mafia. I'm pointing out that the competition (Shad, DD) steered away that day from killing Xad, and has been displaying spicy moves since. I don't think I need to repeat yet again what my issue with those logics and plays are

Sacrificing a teammate under is a sensible move, risky but with a huge payoff if it works especially early on, and Xad's lynch wasn't guaranteed in the first place (already explained the reasoning in the first theory post). The very fact you're insisting that it made both you and lawl more trustworthy than others, even if it's all he has going for himself in lawl's case, kinda speaks for itself. Neither you, me or anyone in this game can say they've never seen it happen, so...

Let's say Xad had lived, and I and mysterious member X are mafia - if all three of us lived rn, we'd have won by tonight. Instead, I have to survive another phase because I killed my own guy D1. I could have just killed Sam and advanced my game state gracefully. I'm not saying sacrificing your teammate is always a bad move, or even unheard of; I'm saying no competent player would cull their own numbers right from the start in a small game where the numbers matter so (compared to larger games that are about survival, not sprinting).

Not to mention, since you're raising the fratricide possibility right now, isn't it obvious that the ploy didn't work, and therefore wouldn't at all? How many hoops do we have to jump through to frame me of sth? Intellectually a bit disingenuous for you to disregard my POV over some farfetched theory that frames me.

Here's hoping someone gets it tonight and lives to use it, right? Because I don't think anyone has it =3=

I mean, it's your theory Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence ka

 

[Erinyes]

Ok I can't wait longer, so thats for today So I can eventually, rest in peace.


Alright, Ok where to start ?

First of all, guys, you've done me wrong. None, and I mean none, of your reasons for lynching me is valid. Some of you accused me of strange behavior and avoiding questions, but that's simply not true. I addressed every single question and even dropped some clear and easily checkable hints about my role when I could.
Regarding votes, on day 1, I cast my vote early for Marm as a placeholder vote before the Xad train even started. I mentioned in my post that I wouldn't be available from that point on. As for day 2 I cast my vote on wojak before he even appeared at that point and couldnt be online after that, I did say I was heading to work, and you all know I'm working at a nursery school, where I m not allowed to have my phone except on nap time or breaks. And I could only check the thread during my break, which yesterday happened to be a few minutes after the end of the day phase, around 2:45 PM in my time zone. Seriously...

My biggest regret is missing dinner with my parents, who had invited me. I declined to join early as possible, the D2 discussions in MG, and in hindsight, that was a significant mistake. I should have just been absent and written the required 3 mandatory posts; it would have been a better choice, I probably would have survived with an oops. But i'm dumb and I got my priorities mixed up.

My assumption is that Mafia thought I was Pgo due to my hints, as among the couple of passive roles I never got there was : Jesus, Pgo, or RS. I assumed they wanted to lynch me for that reason. So, who initiated the lynch? The first ones to point fingers were Sam and Panda on day 1, and then Shad suddenly jumped in following DD on D2 out of nowhere. I'm inclined to believe that Panda is likely town, but I'm pretty confident tehre might be at least 1 or 2 scums among DD, Sam, and Shad (+desin/van). Among those Sam has consistently been against me since day 1

Votekill Erin. If you are town, comeback as Jesus please.
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Wait I forgot about DD

Kat, well, I'm perplexed. What were you even thinking? It seems you checked my passive roles and knew I never had those, and obviously you believed I'm town according to your com, yet you still went for my lynching. I can't believe it. Townie Kat wouldn't make such a mistake, even in a rush. She would have lynched DD over me. I'm not sure if you were recruited, or maybe you're a lover, or something else, but your behavior, and that jumping on the wagon, is quite unlike you. If I had a choice, (not only for this, but I noticed you had some weird attitude), you'd be my first pick for a lynch, but here we are.

I tend to trust Marm. She's been consistent and playing pro-town. As for GB, I'm not sure. He seems to be copying Kat's actions or is it the other way, so I can't trust him, they are maybe lovers or at least one of them is Mafia/TP. I'm confident about that.

So, who to vote for? Shad, Sam, GB, DD, VAn? Well, the weirdest and most nonsensical playing has definitely been Shad's. He started defending Xad out of nowhere on D1 and pushed for my lynching for questionable reasons, and he did that so many times, I dont get why everyone still fall for it. Of course, his followers bear some responsibility too, but why would a townie deliberately choose to lynch me with an easily verifiable role hint like mine over more questionable, suspicious such as DD's, Sam', GB's, and Desin's on day 2? It's obvious that I've been lynched because Mafia/tp feared to kill me, or perhaps because of my comment on the Evil lynch, or maybe both. (it could be good to check that convo back)
To the other players, seriously, why do you trust Shad and follow him when he's done this sort of thing so many times? By now, you should know better.

So, Votekill Shad There's no way he's a townie. If he is, he might be a traitor or recruited. In the highly unlikely event that he's telling the truth, it 'sactually doing a favor to town to lynch him.


@wojak thank you for protecting me I appreciate it <3


@Marmalade no, don't mention your targets before to theml ! lol

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[Copy Panda]

I had to look up what that is. So if I die, you can avenge me?

You said you targeted me N1, did you trust me because I built a case against Xad? Or are you biased? I feel like 3 ways of killing in a small game like this would be very on edge when balance is concerned. I would like to hear thoughts about people who host frequently @SirSamuel016 @Copy Panda.

Eh compwise it's plausible. There's a blocker, a hider and a mechanic that provides roles/protection (like in your case today). I guess I don't think the claim is impossible comp-wise. Only role that fits his claims

It is definitely strange that we are all on the same page when it comes to DD. Like Vandred mentioned, it's a bit weird there is no one even trying to suggest a different option for today's lynch. I understand that if someone did that, it would stand out and they would immediately be next if DD flipped mafia.

I am currently conflicted if the silence in his defense is a good sign or a bad sign.

We can kill Shad, he's causing problems and he's right here! Maybe Van will post a theory about your post-to-vote ratio next and Shad will explain how he's wired to immediately extrapolate what MH users whose names start with K are necessarily suspect because of it

Well seriously on the topic of DD though, it's a bit of a bummer he didn't show up. He was posting erratically before, but he hasn't shown himself today at all. Sth must have happened

 

[Shad]

I'm saying no competent player would cull their own numbers right from the start in a small game where the numbers matter so (compared to larger games that are about survival, not sprinting).

Competent player say it as it is, he slipped, you used it to your advantage, if you didn't use it, somebody else would have mentioned it.

 

[Vandred]

I checked and today, before your first post, I mentioned there being a few members left, to illustrate that the mafia team is small and any lose of life is precarious + Sam who explained to Marms what the ratios of town/mafia are.

When I say you are fixated on numbers, maybe I should clarify it as "feigned" fixation, as I really don't think those numbers were an issue in any way. This argument + your focus on the actual number of mafias left feels like a vain attempt at creating something out of nothing. Grasping.



Please read his comment. It is so incoherent, forget town or mafia, in one sentence he mentions like 3 unrelated things. That's why I jokingly asked if he's even paying attention to what's happening. Again, you're rly trying to make something out of nothing. He's suspect, but not because of that one interaction.



I would certainly be influenced by it, which is why I think you and your predecessor were suspicious. Especially after your list that, again, contains the first townie to die + our most confirmed townie. Not to mention the grasping ^ It's a bad look.



Sure but this happened just the other day (at the end of that day even), so I don't think it's irrelevant or 'history'? The result I got that day was killing a mafia. I'm pointing out that the competition (Shad, DD) steered away that day from killing Xad, and has been displaying spicy moves since. I don't think I need to repeat yet again what my issue with those logics and plays are



Let's say Xad had lived, and I and mysterious member X are mafia - if all three of us lived rn, we'd have won by tonight. Instead, I have to survive another phase because I killed my own guy D1. I could have just killed Sam and advanced my game state gracefully. I'm not saying sacrificing your teammate is always a bad move, or even unheard of; I'm saying no competent player would cull their own numbers right from the start in a small game where the numbers matter so (compared to larger games that are about survival, not sprinting).

Not to mention, since you're raising the fratricide possibility right now, isn't it obvious that the ploy didn't work, and therefore wouldn't at all? How many hoops do we have to jump through to frame me of sth? Intellectually a bit disingenuous for you to disregard my POV over some farfetched theory that frames me.



I mean, it's your theory Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence ka

Then check my own posts, and you'll see I only start talking about numbers to counter Shad's bizarre calling-the-blocks theory, after him even. The other is quoting your posts as part of the argument that it would be one way to signal mafia that "you know". Calling that fixation feels like an attempt to disregard the argument by making it about something else, that's not only unrelated but exaggerated as well.

He's suspect for several things, agreed. The main point still being you saying "you're not paying attention this game", which, in order not to be disingenuous, has to be taken as part of the argument that you were trying to signal.

You're free to take that list whichever way you want, I chose to share what I had in my PM knowingly of how it would look, and I've played the rest of today the same way. If what I'm doing triggers someone's scum detector more than laying back and refusing to entertain the possibility there are mafia among Xad's voters, so be it.

For that "you" who's mafia lawl in your example, even assuming "no competent player" would sacrifice a teammate in a team of three, casting a vote on a teammate isn't a death sentence, unless it snowballs which it did. The third member would be the one attempting a late save, in this case DD or Shad, probably hoping lawl would switch in time. In your actual case, you would have lost unless recruited. Again, it's par for the course for a Traitor who doesn't know if he's legit.

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We can kill Shad, he's causing problems and he's right here! Maybe Van will post a theory about your post-to-vote ratio next and Shad will explain how he's wired to immediately extrapolate what MH users whose names start with K are necessarily suspect because of it

Well seriously on the topic of DD though, it's a bit of a bummer he didn't show up. He was posting erratically before, but he hasn't shown himself today at all. Sth must have happened

I believe the most confirmed townie just did, actually, so don't blame me '3' Seriously speaking, MG aside I hope you and Erin both get to feel better and DD is fine as well.

 

[Copy Panda]

Competent player say it as it is, he slipped, you used it to your advantage, if you didn't use it, somebody else would have mentioned it.

Used to lynch a mafia. You tried to protect him. Even when we pointed out he was lying, you defended him. He refused to give him a claim, you fed him one. Why wouldn't I just have joined you and DD? Easiest thing in the world to join you and afterwards apologise with "oops, but we tried". Or give some psychological profile why it's logical and totally town-like to do what I did.

Well, this particular exchange of 'but you did' is becoming increasingly a beaten horse. You've been especially spicy the latter half of this phase and I find it increasingly difficult to justify not voting you out. Your behaviour D1 and just now especially hint at some kind of anxiety. You're all over the place with theories and ideas and accusations. And none of those theories are rly comprehensible tbh

I have to rest again, Ill lurk a bit and set a timer to return

 

[Vandred]

Well, I suppose I can say I waited for DD to appear for a reasonable amount of time, so if anyone's still curious about (or remembers -3- ) that stuff about my path event, I redirected DD onto wojak last night. The downside would have been that my own night action, if I had one, would have been randomized.

Possibly a worthless action both in foresight and hindsight, but from what I speedread back then I couldn't think of much better than making the least trusted vanilla claimer interact with the least trusted active claimer, both from the non-Xad voters. In my mind it beat redirecting a random active claimer or making someone target and possibly recruit a vanilla.

If we believe Marmy she blocked DD anyway, if he's Strongman they were probably going for the Doc anyway, if the killer wasn't DD it was most likely meaningless. And DD was already on everyone's chopping block today, so it didn't feel like groundbreaking information to share as soon as possible. I wanted to see if he'd show up to share anything at all, now it's getting pretty late not only on the game side, so there you go.

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Used to lynch a mafia. You tried to protect him. Even when we pointed out he was lying, you defended him. He refused to give him a claim, you fed him one. Why wouldn't I just have joined you and DD? Easiest thing in the world to join you and afterwards apologise with "oops, but we tried". Or give some psychological profile why it's logical and totally town-like to do what I did.

Well, this particular exchange of 'but you did' is becoming increasingly a beaten horse. You've been especially spicy the latter half of this phase and I find it increasingly difficult to justify not voting you out. Your behaviour D1 and just now especially hint at some kind of anxiety. You're all over the place with theories and ideas and accusations. And none of those theories are rly comprehensible tbh

I have to rest again, Ill lurk a bit and set a timer to return

Don't tell me... after everyone seems to be set on DD, I'm going to wake up to a Shad lynch tomorrow???

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Well there are worse awakenings I can think of =3=

 

[Shad]

but why would a townie deliberately choose to lynch me with an easily verifiable role hint like mine over more questionable

Catching up.

1 - you say you were busy, unable to play and then say it our fault.

"My break is 5 minutes after day end, what wrong with you guys".

Really dishonest.

You base your whole argument around the possibility that you could be PGO, I didn't note your hint and of course I didn't go to check 200 threads to get the answer.

I ignore those kind of hints, so all the theories you are building on it, only apply to mafia who could have somebody in it that check for everybody.

Sad post @Erinyes

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We can kill Shad, he's causing problems and he's right here! Maybe Van will post a theory about your post-to-vote ratio next and Shad will explain how he's wired to immediately extrapolate what MH users whose names start with K are necessarily suspect because of it

Very weak argument, Kat and Sam are the only confirmed townie as of this phase, trying to turn them against me with threats

 

[Kat]

Kat, well, I'm perplexed. What were you even thinking? It seems you checked my passive roles and knew I never had those, and obviously you believed I'm town according to your com, yet you still went for my lynching. I can't believe it. Townie Kat wouldn't make such a mistake, even in a rush. She would have lynched DD over me. I'm not sure if you were recruited, or maybe you're a lover, or something else, but your behavior, and that jumping on the wagon, is quite unlike you. If I had a choice, (not only for this, but I noticed you had some weird attitude), you'd be my first pick for a lynch, but here we are.

First of all, sorry we lynched you like that Erinka and that you missed the dinner. To give you some sort of explanation, I never said I believed you were town, I said IF you were town then I hope you are able to come back meaning we wouldn't lose a townie. Not sure what made you think I checked your roles, but I didn't, I just threw the Jesus in there being hopeful in case it was a mislynch. Even I am not motivated enough to check 115 games to see what roles people had and didn't have which is why I loathe those kinds of hints because they are just a waste of time. I said that I'd just come out of a meeting and only had a few minutes left to make a decision, there wasn't enough time, so yes I went with the majority but it wasn't a blind follow, I did find your behavior weird. And please for the future reference, don't give townie Kat so much credit

Thank you so much for giving us your insight even after such an unfortunate fate we made you face. We shall meet on the other side.

 

[Shad]

Used to lynch a mafia. You tried to protect him. Even when we pointed out he was lying, you defended him. He refused to give him a claim, you fed him one. Why wouldn't I just have joined you and DD? Easiest thing in the world to join you and afterwards apologise with "oops, but we tried". Or give some psychological profile why it's logical and totally town-like to do what I did.

Economy of action, if you are already setup to take advantage of the situation, you don't need to do anything.

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Well, this particular exchange of 'but you did' is becoming increasingly a beaten horse. You've been especially spicy the latter half of this phase and I find it increasingly difficult to justify not voting you out. Your behaviour D1 and just now especially hint at some kind of anxiety. You're all over the place with theories and ideas and accusations. And none of those theories are rly comprehensible tbh

Dude, you are talking like you are the one who says what I should and shouldn't do.

This is how I play the game, it not up to you to tell me to act like my judge, you are just a player like me.

All I did was describe a scenario in which you and gb are scum, and requested town to use their role to test this theory.

If you find that disruptive you can tell me after the game, but right a player.

 

[digitaldude]

I am finally online, need to read this. Can I name my path or describe the effect in the thread?

 

[Shad]

I am finally online, need to read this. Can I name my path or describe the effect in the thread?

Yes, I'm sure you can describe the effect.

 

[Kat]

I am finally online, need to read this. Can I name my path or describe the effect in the thread?

Hello! Hope everything is okay on your side. We were starting to be a bit concerned.

 

[digitaldude]

I targetted Wojak N1 and DigitalDude N2. Nothing interesting to share about that though - and honestly is it that weird not wanting to always reveal something right away D:

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Sam what path did you go with previous day?

What is your role, unless you reveal it further in the thread still reading

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Yes, I'm sure you can describe the effect.

I took wojak role and rerouted it onto shad, but he was the doctor.

 

[Shad]

I took wojak role and rerouted it onto shad, but he was the doctor.

You pirated wojak's doctor and gave it to me? Did I read that right?

Is there supposed to be a confirmation PM? Because doctor is hard to prove.

 

[digitaldude]

You pirated wojak's doctor and gave it to me? Did I read that right?

Is there supposed to be a confirmation PM? Because doctor is hard to prove.

No I didn't pirate his role....what

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You pirated wojak's doctor and gave it to me? Did I read that right?

Is there supposed to be a confirmation PM? Because doctor is hard to prove.

Wojak died as doctor you didnt see it?

 

[Shad]

I took wojak role and rerouted it onto shad, but he was the doctor.

I see, you rerouted his night action into me? So I was the one protected?