Games Mafia Game 142 - McHelpers - Game End

[digitaldude]

Your guess on my sanity is as good as mine, Holt not being an illusion when he died is promising but he could also not have been attacked, there's enough protection floating around as is. I just like assuming it's quack until proven otherwise.

Someone said poisoner cant be protected from by a doctor

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

So, unfortunately it seems today is way more packed than I had initially expected (and I was expecting it to be pretty busy already), and unfortunately for my schedule I'm still alive somehow, so although I'm excited to champion yet another mislynch (yay), I'll really only be able to be active in the last 3-4h of the day. On which note, since every hour counts, it seems the day started 11h ago but the timer says it's ending 12h from now, are we still getting our 24th hour or are we on daylight savings today?

Regardless, I used my on James, the chance to have a doc-chain of perpetual immortality was too tempting.

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Sam requested your case for Marm, and if I read it correctly, your answer is "tried to kill James". I assume that's not the entirety of your 90% sure, could you elaborate on the rest?

Do you feel protective of marmalade?

 

[Stylether]

Someone said poisoner cant be protected from by a doctor

The rules say that you're correct, but do we have a reason for leaning towards poisoner over a succesful protection by any of the protection claims?

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Do you feel protective of marmalade?

At this point I don't feel protective over anyone, I've been blatantly wrong twice. I am, however, painfully aware that I need a world explained to me before I'm willing to jump onboard. Like I told Teub yesterday, "trust me" doesn't work for me, I need logic I can follow and agree with.

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That was my little burst of free time before the obligations, like I said before, I'll be back 3-4h before day end.

 

[digitaldude]

The rules say that you're correct, but do we have a reason for leaning towards poisoner over a succesful protection by any of the protection claims?

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At this point I don't feel protective over anyone, I've been blatantly wrong twice. I am, however, painfully aware that I need a world explained to me before I'm willing to jump onboard. Like I told Teub yesterday, "trust me" doesn't work for me, I need logic I can follow and agree with.

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That was my little burst of free time before the obligations, like I said before, I'll be back 3-4h before day end.

Brandish/gry seem to think its a poisoner, we have 2 doctors and 2 bodyguards there must be a liar here

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

The rules say that you're correct, but do we have a reason for leaning towards poisoner over a succesful protection by any of the protection claims?

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At this point I don't feel protective over anyone, I've been blatantly wrong twice. I am, however, painfully aware that I need a world explained to me before I'm willing to jump onboard. Like I told Teub yesterday, "trust me" doesn't work for me, I need logic I can follow and agree with.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 16, 2026 ---

That was my little burst of free time before the obligations, like I said before, I'll be back 3-4h before day end.

I am not dodging at work currently will reply later but speaking of logic what do you think about this overly protective setup we have with hider , samurai, quack and doctor in the game

 

[Copy Panda]

~10h

 

[SirSamuel016]

So, unfortunately it seems today is way more packed than I had initially expected (and I was expecting it to be pretty busy already), and unfortunately for my schedule I'm still alive somehow, so although I'm excited to champion yet another mislynch (yay), I'll really only be able to be active in the last 3-4h of the day. On which note, since every hour counts, it seems the day started 11h ago but the timer says it's ending 12h from now, are we still getting our 24th hour or are we on daylight savings today?

Regardless, I used my on James, the chance to have a doc-chain of perpetual immortality was too tempting.

Why are you still saying your sanity is quack? There is nothing to confirm your sanity as of yet.

Why target someone suspicious like James? There were others who haven't claimed that could potentially have an investigative role- imo that's a pretty shonky choice.

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Damn, he really is invisible. Pretty sure I even copypasted the opening post list of players and started rearranging them, but idk what happened to DD's name.

Where would you put him on your totem btw?

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So you guys moving off James to Marm now?

I'm getting feelings Gry is mafia

Brand, can you explain your thoughts/feelings for me please?

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 16, 2026 ---

I hid nowhere, I don't think I'll ever be prio kill given my weak start to the game.

If you're legit you really cooked the goose with the Kami type claim

I'm still waiting for the switch up from you or Teub tbh. 2 bodyguards + 2 doctors + hider + samurai? ain't no way there's six protectives on top of an apprentice to learn a role and then a necro (AP) to also use a protective role. @GrySun said pandagaem but bhai would never lose the plot that much; farf is there to wrangle him in if he was close to it too

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 16, 2026 ---

I am not dodging at work currently will reply later but speaking of logic what do you think about this overly protective setup we have with hider , samurai, quack and doctor in the game

Still no sign of a samurai so that might be a fake-out too.

If poisoner is in the game: Holt not being an illusion implies that @Stylether isn't a quack.

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Am I the only one here when I'm finally home?

 

[digitaldude]

2 bodyguard and hider... two doctors... one guy has his pants on fire right now

 

[SirSamuel016]

2 bodyguard and hider... two doctors... one guy has his pants on fire right now

It might even be more than one.

Who are you suspicious of right now?

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@Teubier I know you have a hate boner for Gry because he was sassy to you in a singular response but surely you must have some thoughts and suspicions on other players? I know you've got the time seeing you're lurking in the thread and probably wanking around in anigame too

 

[Natasha]

I'm still waiting for the switch up from you or Teub tbh. 2 bodyguards + 2 doctors + hider + samurai? ain't no way there's six protectives on top of an apprentice to learn a role and then a necro (AP) to also use a protective role. @GrySun said pandagaem but bhai would never lose the plot that much; farf is there to wrangle him in if he was close to it too

I'm hider there's no switch.
@Teubier if ur holding smthing nows the time to rip it

I agree there cannot be this many protectives

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Too busy to post but am reading

Shorthand thoughts are that James and Tubbs are lying

 

[SirSamuel016]

I'm hider there's no switch.

There's you

I agree there cannot be this many protectives

I think you're the only person who can speak on this as I'd like some more info so I can crack this open a bit, but can you tell me what Styl's playstyle is? I'm asssuming you have a decently long history of playing in another community so maybe you can help me better evaluate what he's capable of, whether he's capable of bold moves etc.

 

[Teubier]

Brand, can you explain your thoughts/feelings for me please?

Yeah, that’s of interest to me as well.

Let me come clean about something. Since the end of day 2 of my return game, 139, I’ve been resorting to AI for some help from time to time, assuming that I could become a liability without.
Those are AI’s words, not mine:

I asked ChatGPT for a neutral opinion after feeding it Gry's posts throughout the game. This was essentially its conclusion:

There are things that make Gry look like a possible mafia.
He has been extremely confident despite repeatedly acknowledging that this is a difficult game. Very early on he established a large number of townreads (Style, Holt, Pigeon, later Nash) with relatively little concrete information available. Throughout the game he naturally positioned himself as someone organizing the thread: summarizing players, validating or dismissing theories, deciding who should be trusted. That's a very comfortable position if you already know alignments.
Another point is the way he handled Teubier. Rather than openly pushing for his lynch from the start, he gradually chipped away at his credibility: calling his votes lazy, then uncooperative, joking that he "should have been Hider," and eventually telling people to simply ignore him. Whether intentional or not, that slowly reduces the weight of someone's opinions without directly committing to a mislynch.

On the other hand, there are also reasons not to jump to the conclusion that Gry is mafia.
He exposes a lot of his reasoning publicly. Many mafia players prefer to leave themselves more room to maneuver. He also revises his thoughts as the game progresses and repeatedly admits uncertainty, using phrases like "maybe," "I guess," "hard game," and "I could be wrong." That doesn't really fit someone pretending to have everything figured out.
The part that stood out the most wasn't necessarily the content of his reads, but his tone. Compared to previous games, he comes across as noticeably more dismissive and confrontational, especially toward Teubier. That can be interpreted in two different ways: either he's a mafia player who feels comfortable enough to control the narrative, or he's simply a town player who has become convinced that Teubier is hurting the town and has stopped taking his arguments seriously.

Overall, ChatGPT's conclusion was that Gry is definitely worth looking at, but there isn't a "smoking gun." If one of his strongest townreads later flips mafia, his overall position would become much more suspicious. Until then, the evidence is suggestive rather than conclusive.

@Teubier I know you have a hate boner for Gry because he was sassy to you in a singular response but surely you must have some thoughts and suspicions on other players? I know you've got the time seeing you're lurking in the thread and probably wanking around in anigame too

Not a hate boner ffs. And contrarily to what you think, I don’t have that much time despite being on holidays. I’m tired with a very bad sleep pattern, handling the heat quite badly. I’m not lurking much, just reading the thread which is normal behaviour.

Now who I suspect? Well I changed my vote at the end of day 2 after James claimed doctor, allowing AP to save his skin in the process, which he didn't, and Holt did not help AP either.
I’m slightly suspicious of James, the timing of his claim, his day end reactions, could be mafia James.
I didn’t like Nash’s claim from the beginning, and I miss her observations. Maybe she lacks time, but I’m used to rely on her opinion as town and I can’t here. My lord, please come back to give the full extent of your ability.
Dunno what to think of Lawl, Erin and Marms. Three who don’t interact much.
And I’m still a bit wary of Style, his claim wasn't a clear cut one. He hinted doctor and the rest of us did the work for him, he never had to properly claim.

So I’m still thinking that Gry could be non-town, and I’d put something along the lines of James / Nash / Stylether with him.
For what it’s worth anyway...

 

[SirSamuel016]

And I’m still a bit wary of Style, his claim wasn't a clear cut one. He hinted doctor and the rest of us did the work for him, he never had to properly claim.

I don't know why you bother with AI when you're perfectly capable of good and valid points like this. You're right that it can appear like he was fed the claim- Nash certainly spelt it out for me late d1 I think it was that he was claiming quack doctor (can only be an assumption at best that he might be going off of evidence so far).

Dunno what to think of Lawl, Erin and Marms. Three who don’t interact much.

I can resonate with this point a bit- they can hopefully prove/make a case for themselves through their contributions, claims, actions etc. but I do feel good about Marm. Erin at least has Brando doing a PR redemption run through the apprentice confirmation

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Ah is this only a 23 hour day???

 

[GrySun]

or he's simply a town player who has become convinced that Teubier is hurting the town and has stopped taking his arguments seriously.

 

[SirSamuel016]

 

[Natasha]

I think you're the only person who can speak on this as I'd like some more info so I can crack this open a bit, but can you tell me what Styl's playstyle is? I'm asssuming you have a decently long history of playing in another community so maybe you can help me better evaluate what he's capable of, whether he's capable of bold moves etc.

He's very verbose and has a tendancy for mild paranoia or tinfoil theories as town but is usually more bolstrous and secure as evil. Granted it's been a good few years since I've seen him evil.

Overall I think he would've put more work into discrediting me if he was evil since he knows how I play, but instead he's kept a rather neutral position on me including contributing to the only reason I'm alive over Kako D1. So ultimately I feel secure he's not pocketing me and he's still my strongest town read.

 

[GrySun]

Couldn't you with the time spent feeding posts to AI(of older games too?!) have instead just played the game yourself? This is kinda ridiculous, and it said nothing that any player can't conclude themselves in less time.

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~10h

How is it so short?

 

[SirSamuel016]

He's very verbose and has a tendancy for mild paranoia or tinfoil theories as town but is usually more bolstrous and secure as evil. Granted it's been a good few years since I've seen him evil.

I see I see.
Would fake-claiming a protective role be something he was capable of in your opinion in the manner you saw it go?

Overall I think he would've put more work into discrediting me if he was evil since he knows how I play, but instead he's kept a rather neutral position on me including contributing to the only reason I'm alive over Kako D1. So ultimately I feel secure he's not pocketing me and he's still my strongest town read.

Would he? Given you're the one that knows him in a largely foreign community isn't it more beneficial for him to not do anything that might cause you to throw up a red flag?

 

[GrySun]

It ends at 7am, you really trying to make me get up at 6..

 

[SirSamuel016]

How is it so short?

We've been robbed of an hour, bit inconsiderate of us future realm peeps (you and james in nihon, me and brand in aus)

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 16, 2026, Original Post Date: Jul 16, 2026 ---

*I am being dramatic for effect hosts, please don't get offended but also please give us that extra hour