Canon Magellan goes through SHP gauntlet

[King Moe]

BM can one-shot Sanji if she wanted to and who cares about King? It was a scuffle. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you mean current? Not saying that. I will say given Sanji stop one of her attacks prior without even RS. Though not saying who is stronger. I am saying properties of RS hasn't been destroy. Look at Judge and his children. Their RS have never been destroy during the fights even Big Mom's attack couldn't harm Judge's RS. Not saying Sanji can solo a Yonko, but just saying the material isn't meant to be destory like it is random thing. Sanji has better chances to defeat Magellen than you could say on Zoro who is more vulnerable. Cutting poison doesn't stop it from flowing around given liquid and even gas formats.

 

[Ramen]

If you mean current? Nah given Sanji stop one of her attacks prior without even RS. Though not saying who is stronger. I am saying properties of RS hasn't been destroy. Look at Judge and his children. Their RS have never been destroy during the fights even Big Mom's attack couldn't harm Judge's RS. Not saying Sanji can solo a Yonko, but just saying the material isn't meant to be destory like it is random thing. Sanji has better chances to defeat Magellen than you could say on Zoro who is more vulnerable. Cutting poison doesn't stop it from flowing around given liquid and even gas formats.

I don't care about his siblings and yes, BM can one-shot Sanji, one Ikkoku and it's over. That logic that the RS has never been destroyed is flawed, it's like saying, no matter what anyone does, you can't break it.

Zoro has more long range spam than Sanji does. Zoro doesn't need to engage in CQC.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nah, he did beat them face to face. Both are canon and he will know how to fight Magellen better than Zoro did. Don't downplay over biased, bruh. Sanji just have better abilities to fight poison off especially adding RS. If poison touch Zoro's swords, they will melt. Magellen have added experience facing swordsman to boot. Not saying this out of biased, but it just make sense.

Wrong, nothing suggests sanji beats them. We saw sanji couldn't make PO spew blood and sanji was getting thrown into buildings by hybrid PO. Sanji also lost in the clash with drake (drake knocked him down while sanji didn't land clean damage to him). Poison could bypass even the candle armor, dunno how it's any different on RS. I like sanji but sanji loses here.

 

[King Moe]

I don't care about his siblings and yes, BM can one-shot Sanji, one Ikkoku and it's over. That logic that the RS has never been destroyed is flawed, it's like saying, no matter what anyone does, you can't break it.

Zoro has more long range spam than Sanji does. Zoro doesn't need to engage in CQC.

Sanij blocked one of her attacks prior arc without RS? What headcannon you one she can knock him out? He won't fight her to begin with since she is a woman, but he isn't one-shot by her. RS never been destroyed. Show me where RS of anyone, not just Sanji's have been destroyed. If you can't, then it proves they have very high indestructible factor on them.

Who cares? Shiryu did same thing to Magellen and guess who won the fight. Magellen. Saying Magellen won't be able to counter Zoro is illogical and nonsense. You got take his experience with facing weapon users and know how to counter them. Sanji also with his fire abilities can be harmful to him more than Zoro.

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Wrong, nothing suggests sanji beats them. We saw sanji couldn't make PO spew blood and sanji was getting thrown into buildings by hybrid PO. Sanji also lost in the clash with drake (drake knocked him down while sanji didn't land clean damage to him). Poison could bypass even the candle armor, dunno how it's any different on RS. I like sanji but sanji loses here.

It is confirmed he beat them and your just making things up about it. PO never came back and Anime is canon by Staff contacting Oda with him being involved. If that was the case, Reiju would endanger everyone even her side if her poison could harm her and her family. Never happen. RS is made to be prevent that and sure Judge would take precautions if acid is enough to destroy it.

Don't be fake fan to tell points. We all know your with Zoro and just loses here.

 

[Ramen]

Sanij blocked one of her attacks prior arc without RS? What headcannon you one she can knock him out? He won't fight her to begin with since she is a woman, but he isn't one-shot by her. RS never been destroyed. Show me where RS of anyone, not just Sanji's have been destroyed. If you can't, then it proves they have very high indestructible factor on them.

Ok so if Whitebeard spammed Quakes, can Sanji tank it since it has nigh indestructibility? Can you show me where this is said?

Who cares? Shiryu did same thing to Magellen and guess who won the fight. Magellen. Saying Magellen won't be able to counter Zoro is illogical and nonsense. You got take his experience with facing weapon users and know how to counter them. Sanji also with his fire abilities can be harmful to him more than Zoro.

Magellan and Shiryuu were said to be equals.....

 

[King Moe]

Ok so if Whitebeard spammed Quakes, can Sanji tank it since it has nigh indestructibility? Can you show me where this is said?



Magellan and Shiryuu were said to be equals.....

Why you switching Yonkos when were on Big Mom? Changing topics? Whitebeard is PK tier. Of course he one-shots everyone whether Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, etc.. They not on that level currently (Only see Luffy PK Tier while Sanji and Zoro still debating on to be Kaido and Big Mom levels).

Still stated Magellen beat him though and jailed him. He has experience and knowing someone who is swordsman who was once your ally and now your enemy, he will know how to face those with weapons especially with swords. Just using canon logic, not making this up.

 

[Ramen]

Why you switching Yonkos when were on Big Mom? Changing topics? Whitebeard is PK tier. Of course he one-shots everyone whether Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, etc.. They not on that level currently (Only see Luffy PK Tier while Sanji and Zoro still debating on to be Kaido and Big Mom levels).

You said Nigh-indestructibility. And Roger by his own words (The PK himself) did what he could to avoid fighting BM. She's on that level too.

Still stated Magellen beat him though and jailed him. He has experience and knowing someone who is swordsman who was once your ally and now your enemy, he will know how to face those with weapons especially with swords. Just using canon logic, not making this up.

Yes and it's canon that Shiryuu and Magellan were equals.

 

[King Moe]

You said Nigh-indestructibility. And Roger by his own words (The PK himself) did what he could to avoid fighting BM. She's on that level too.



Yes and it's canon that Shiryuu and Magellan were equals.

Just saying we saw Big Mom fight Germa, she couldn't destroy no one RS in her fight. That what canon shows. RS is very high indestructible. Not saying it 'can't' be destroyed, but it shown Yonko's attacks and rest couldn't destory them either. Also aren't we getting off topic? Why you mentioning Roger now? We all know Roger will beat Big Mom this point.

Yeah and it's canon Magellen beat Shiryu. Why you denying that part?

 

[Ramen]

Just saying we saw Big Mom fight Germa, she couldn't destroy no one RS in her fight. That what canon shows. RS is very high indestructible. Not saying it 'can't' be destroyed, but it shown Yonko's attacks and rest couldn't destory them either. Also aren't we getting off topic? Why you mentioning Roger now? We all know Roger will beat Big Mom this point.

No it's not off topic. I'm proving that BM is on the strength tier of Roger.

Yeah and it's canon Magellen beat Shiryu. Why you denying that part?

I am not. Shiryuu ended up in level 6 in Impel Down, the way he was imprisoned is unknown but Magellan saw Shiryuu as a major threat and Shiryuu was considered more dangerous.

Even if Magellan did beat him in a 1v1 ( we don't know what happened), it wouldn't have been a stomp.

 

[King Moe]

No it's not off topic. I'm proving that BM is on the strength tier of Roger.



I am not. Shiryuu ended up in level 6 in Impel Down, the way he was imprisoned is unknown but Magellan saw Shiryuu as a major threat and Shiryuu was considered more dangerous.

Even if Magellan did beat him in a 1v1 ( we don't know what happened), it wouldn't have been a stomp.

You mean PK Tier? Possibly, but not saying no one can't destory it, I know only few characters who can do it.

Magellen stated he face him and beat him. He did it on his own, so your denying canon if your forcing he didn't beat him or needed help when he didn't. On what 'Diff' I can't say, but if he was able to beat him and then imprison him, then it can't be that high. Plus like I said, he will learn from experience, so saying he won't stop Zoro like he stop Shiryu is headcannon than being true. Magellen will have his ways for someone like Zoro. No disrespect. Just these are tricky opponents for Zoro and sometimes he have trouble. It been shown on him.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

It is confirmed he beat them and your just making things up about it. PO never came back and Anime is canon by Staff contacting Oda with him being involved. If that was the case, Reiju would endanger everyone even her side if her poison could harm her and her family. Never happen. RS is made to be prevent that and sure Judge would take precautions if acid is enough to destroy it.

Don't be fake fan to tell points. We all know your with Zoro and just loses here.

if you want to consider anime, actually the anime shows sanji couldn't beat PO and ran away at their fight.
Reiju doesn't direct the poison attack towards her family in a fight. Precaution is just your headcanon, show me a proof from the manga for your statement.
No, i am also a sanji fan. I just like more than one character. I am just being unbiased here to know that sanji loses against magellan here

 

[Ramen]

You mean PK Tier? Possibly, but not saying no one can't destory it, I know only few characters who can do it.

PK tier isn't a strength tier.

Magellen stated he face him and beat him. He did it on his own, so your denying canon if your forcing he didn't beat him or needed help when he didn't. On what 'Diff' I can't say, but if he was able to beat him and then imprison him, then it can't be that high. Plus like I said, he will learn from experience, so saying he won't stop Zoro like he stop Shiryu is headcannon than being true. Magellen will have his ways for someone like Zoro. No disrespect. Just these are tricky opponents for Zoro and sometimes he have trouble. It been shown on him.

Show the scans then. Prove your words.

If he can beat Zoro less than high diff, he's doing that to Sanji too. So using your logic, I guess he stops at Luffy which I don't mind.

 

[King Moe]

PK tier isn't a strength tier.



Show the scans then. Prove your words.

If he can beat Zoro less than high diff, he's doing that to Sanji too. So using your logic, I guess he stops at Luffy which I don't mind.

I have hear others discussed it as a tier from word around. Idk on this site, but many others say PK tier is where Luffy is going for and Roger and Whitebeard are at.

Nah, cause again Sanji has fire and RS to protect him. Zoro only have his swords and already we can tell Magellen is experience handling swords compare to knowing what RS and fire power will do to him. DF is bad disadvantage to Zoro it's like that rust guy from Buster Call who Zoro was having trouble with. Doesn't mean he isn't strong, but it's clear those who can dissolve his weapons are not for him at all.

 

[Ramen]

I have hear others discussed it as a tier from word around. Idk on this site, but many others say PK tier is where Luffy is going for and Roger and Whitebeard are at.

Pk includes territory, achievements and everything. Not just strength. Roger became the PK after circling the world.

Nah, cause again Sanji has fire and RS to protect him. Zoro only have his swords and already we can tell Magellen is experience handling swords compare to knowing what RS and fire power will do to him. DF is bad disadvantage to Zoro it's like that rust guy from Buster Call who Zoro was having trouble with. Doesn't mean he isn't strong, but it's clear those who can dissolve his weapons are not for him at all.

If his swords are covered in Haki, he can bypass his Poison. That's the whole point of making a black sword. Shanks and Mihawk's swords will cut through Magellan's poison like hot butter. It's the same with Enma.

Fire will just make the poison turn into gas and the RS isn't immune to poison. Sanji is still vulnerable to a room full of gas.

Now show me where it was stated that Magellan beat Shiryuu in a 1v1.

 

[King Moe]

if you want to consider anime, actually the anime shows sanji couldn't beat PO and ran away at their fight.
Reiju doesn't direct the poison attack towards her family in a fight. Precaution is just your headcanon, show me a proof from the manga for your statement.
No, i am also a sanji fan. I just like more than one character. I am just being unbiased here to know that sanji loses against magellan here

Nothing stated in manga about running from PO though by Sanji and others. That scene isn't canon, but Sanji vs Drake is because it came recently with Staff posting on extending scenes that they been in talks from how close time was.

It spreads in the air and can affect environment. She even kick Yonji early in WCI and he wasn't affected. It's dumb to say Judge wouldn't take precaution on poison when he give powers to her own daughter on her own abilities.

Again no your not. Sanji wins and Zoro loses. Magellen is tricky, not just powerful and just how it is when he can't deal with fire and RS compare to swords he already have experience with.

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Pk includes territory, achievements and everything. Not just strength. Roger became the PK after circling the world.



If his swords are covered in Haki, he can bypass his Poison. That's the whole point of making a black sword. Shanks and Mihawk's swords will cut through Magellan's poison like hot butter. It's the same with Enma.

Fire will just make the poison turn into gas and the RS isn't immune to poison. Sanji is still vulnerable to a room full of gas.

Now show me where it was stated that Magellan beat Shiryuu in a 1v1.

PK is about power too. We see that with Roger and Luffy who showing their power is for position. Don't denied this now.

By that logic, why didn't Blackbeard or his crew use Haki when they got poison? It bypass and Magellen could have Haki too for all we know. You need more than Haki on that. We talking about Zoro, not Shanks and Mihawk who are different class (Well Mihawk could have trouble actually).

It is. Fire and RS helps him more than Zoro does by cutting liquid and gas as that doesn't get rid of it and his swords will melt out of it. He has something to cover his mouth with RS, so he got more advantage than Zoro does who will have no mask at all.

Show me where it stated he needed everyone to defeat Shiryu. I will post mine if you can find me where it says Magellen needed help in his fight on Shiryu as no one mentions that.

 

[Ramen]

PK is about power too. We see that with Roger and Luffy who showing their power is for position. Don't denied this now.

No it's about power to an extent, but Roger did not become the PK until he circled the world.

Spoiler

Notice how he was called the King of the Sea not for his strength but circling the globe?

By that logic, why didn't Blackbeard or his crew use Haki when they got poison? It bypass and Magellen could have Haki too for all we know. You need more than Haki on that. We talking about Zoro, not Shanks and Mihawk who are different class (Well Mihawk could have trouble actually).

What is Haki going to help then? They use guns and devil fruits. Pre-ts Zoro loses but now it's different. BB would destroy Magellan. Would Magellan beat guys like Garp or Sengoku then because they aren't immune to poison? You say to me, Zoro has no immune to posion or gas and neither do Sengoku or Garp. All they got is their fists.

It is. Fire and RS helps him more than Zoro does by cutting liquid and gas as that doesn't get rid of it and his swords will melt out of it. He has something to cover his mouth with RS, so he got more advantage than Zoro does who will have no mask at all.

Haki protects swords from breaking and by extension....melting.

Spoiler

That small protective film isn't poison proof. Zoro can use his bandana, just like Sanji has with his small mask.

Show me where it stated he needed everyone to defeat Shiryu. I will post mine if you can find me where it says Magellen needed help in his fight on Shiryu as no one mentions that.

I never said he needed everyone, I said what happened is unknown. Because we don't know how Shiryuu got imprisoned. This is all we know:

See how Ivankov uses the word "they" which is plural. Not "he" as he would if he was referring to a single person.

Spoiler

Your turn, show me where it says Magellan beat him in a 1v1 and it was less than a high difficulty fight.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nothing stated in manga about running from PO though by Sanji and others. That scene isn't canon, but Sanji vs Drake is because it came recently with Staff posting on extending scenes that they been in talks from how close time was.

It spreads in the air and can affect environment. She even kick Yonji early in WCI and he wasn't affected. It's dumb to say Judge wouldn't take precaution on poison when he give powers to her own daughter on her own abilities.

Again no your not. Sanji wins and Zoro loses. Magellen is tricky, not just powerful and just how it is when he can't deal with fire and RS compare to swords he already have experience with.

nah, nothing stated in manga about sanji beating drake.
Wrong, reiju just gave casual kick to yonji. No poison power. You still have no proof
i am sanji fan, but sanji loses. Sanji attacks are focused on close range, which is bad against an opponent like magellan.

 

[Ramen]

nah, nothing stated in manga about sanji beating drake.
Wrong, reiju just gave casual kick to yonji. No poison power. You still have no proof
i am sanji fan, but sanji loses. Sanji attacks are focused on close range, which is bad against an opponent like magellan.

I don't understand why you guys keep accusing each other of not being fans of characters for thinking they lose.

You can be a Sanji fan and think Zoro is stronger and vice-versa. Lol you guys act like you have a monopoly on One Piece fandoms.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I don't understand why you guys keep accusing each other of not being fans of characters for thinking they lose.

You can be a Sanji fan and think Zoro is stronger and vice-versa. Lol you guys act like you have a monopoly on One Piece fandoms.

yea, i am fan of both zoro and sanji. I just think sanji loses to magellan here due to magellan's advantage in close range fight. That's it

 

[King Moe]

nah, nothing stated in manga about sanji beating drake.
Wrong, reiju just gave casual kick to yonji. No poison power. You still have no proof
i am sanji fan, but sanji loses. Sanji attacks are focused on close range, which is bad against an opponent like magellan.

It stated in Anime canon and PO was defeated given he never came back to begin with.

Nah, she can use poison at will, so if it means Yonji was unaffected, that means poison doesn't affect them and plus in a family that doesn't care for their own much (except maybe Reiju), she wouldn't hold back on her power. Sanji have better abilities than Zoro in this fight. No shame in that at all. Just how it is. Especially Magellen isn't much in close combat compare to long range which hurts Zoro more as Magellen doesn't need to be close for the DF to spread around.

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No it's about power to an extent, but Roger did not become the PK until he circled the world.

Spoiler

Notice how he was called the King of the Sea not for his strength but circling the globe?



What is Haki going to help then? They use guns and devil fruits. Pre-ts Zoro loses but now it's different. BB would destroy Magellan. Would Magellan beat guys like Garp or Sengoku then because they aren't immune to poison? You say to me, Zoro has no immune to posion or gas and neither do Sengoku or Garp. All they got is their fists.



Haki protects swords from breaking and by extension....melting.

Spoiler

That small protective film isn't poison proof. Zoro can use his bandana, just like Sanji has with his small mask.



I never said he needed everyone, I said what happened is unknown. Because we don't know how Shiryuu got imprisoned. This is all we know:

See how Ivankov uses the word "they" which is plural. Not "he" as he would if he was referring to a single person.

Spoiler

Your turn, show me where it says Magellan beat him in a 1v1 and it was less than a high difficulty fight.

He needed power too especially shown in his fight with Whitebeard recently, you can't be just PK just by gathering things, but need power to back it up. Idk why you think it's not very crucial thing when it is.

Nah, they fight even with Haki especially Burgess shown he has Haki, so why didn't he use Haki to defend if all he need is to coat himself. Poison can even bypass Haki or at least Magellen's Haki can bypass theirs from how it seems. Again your going off topic on bringing characters out when they aren't involve in this. Of course now BB will defeat him, but wasn't like that when they first face off. Zoro isn't going do anything about it on his side he loses both timeskip sides. He has no defense to protect himself or poison whether it get his weapons or his body as he doesn't have immunity to type of poison Magellen can conjure nor anything to protect his body from it touching his skin.

Show me where he ever use his Bandana for a mask as he never try it like that before even when Don Krieg sent out an poison gas, he was given mask more than using his clothing. Magellen's poison isn't not simple to just be block by that honestly.

Regardless on difficulty you just prove my point he took him on alone and he has experience on fighting swordsman. Why would he not take same experience onto Zoro and get around him? Your really undermining Magellen like he is fodder if you think Zoro will one-shot him when he can't and have tough time with poison all around.

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I don't understand why you guys keep accusing each other of not being fans of characters for thinking they lose.

You can be a Sanji fan and think Zoro is stronger and vice-versa. Lol you guys act like you have a monopoly on One Piece fandoms.

Let's not get off topic here guys. We can see him trolling on him on 'fans' again as it is not first time. Though let's not make issue on going somewhere else on our debate or just finish talking about here with this being last post.