Discussion Maschenny's Glow Up

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Introduction
There is a drastic difference in design and presentation between Late Season 2 Maschenny (particularly during Three Orders and the Last Station) and Season 3 Maschenny (especially in Post Hiatus Nest).

Late Season 2 Maschenny didn't really have any sort of pronounced figure to speak of. She wasn't really curvy/voluptuous and was sorely lacking in "sexiness".

The Two Maschennys
Here are some panels showing Maschenny's body to emphasise what I'm speaking of:

Late Season 2 Maschenny





Post Hiatus Maschenny
Post Hiatus Maschenny on the other hand was given a drastic makeover. SIU went out of his way to doll her up and emphasise her feminity/sexuality. Her figure is really pronounced in the glamour shots she gets. For lack of a better term, post-hiatus Maschenny is "sexy":








The Contrast Between the Two Versions of Maschenny
Compare the glamour shot of Tres Cuernos to Maschenny's glamour shots in S3 E99 and E100:


Or compare these two nearly identical postures/gestures:

Both feature a grandiose Maschenny, and yet the difference is so stark and striking.


Here's another contrast focusing on the upper body:


Or compare these two rear views of Maschenny:


From all perspectives, there's a striking, sharp contrast in presentation between the two Maschennys.


Speculation as to Possible Motives
I see three basic reasons as to why SIU might have so radically changed her depiction after the hiatus:
  1. Aesthetic presentation
  2. Reevaluated stature
  3. General shift


Aesthetic Presentation
It may be the case that SIU is depicting Maschenny differently post-hiatus, because he wants to convey a different "atmosphere" around her or emotions through her. SIU has said that with Maschenny the feeling one gets/the mood around her is heavily dependent on how she's drawn:

Season 3 Episode 48 Blog Post
SIU said:
Today’s doodle is Maschenny and the giant snake we saw at the end.

The mood around Maschenny changes a lot based on her clothing and style. Of course, they are all ominous in some regard…
SIU might be aiming for different moods around Maschenny, by dolling her up so much post-hiatus.

To expand more on this, during Three Orders and the Last Station Maschenny was presented as a scheming, devious, conniving backstabber who had multiple screws loose and wanted to drown the Tower in rivers of blood. SIU was trying to emphasise her insanity, bloodthirst and cruelty, so she was drawn to look the part.

Consider the below scene where Maschenny states that it's the smell of blood in the air that gets her in the mood for a fight:
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Here, the aspect of Maschenny that is being highlighted is her bloodthirst and cruel personality. This is further reinforced by Jinsung lamenting that none of the Princesses were "normal".
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Or this panel where Maschenny is about to electrocute Jinsung, promising him a quick and painless death:
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Before proceeding to mercilessly torture him:
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Here, SIU is trying to emphasise how dangerous and wicked Maschenny is.

Or when Maschenny declares that the powers of the Tower that have been maintaining a careful balance for aeons have finally begun to move against each other:
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Prior to that panel, Maschenny declares that she will drown the Tower in rivers of blood and then rejoices that the era of peace is coming to an end:
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The emphasis here is again Maschenny's battle lust/bloodthirst and insanity. The mood/feeling you're supposed to get from Maschenny there is: "this bitch is crazy"


I think that in post hiatus Season 3, SIU has largely been aiming for different vibes and moods with Maschenny. Instead of a delusional, reckless and insane warmonger, he's presenting her as one of the major movers and shakers in the Tower, the mastermind behind the current conflict, the puppet master pulling Jinsung's strings.

Rather than her wild and crazy side, SIU needs to emphasise her dominance, power and authority. I think that's what her glamour shots in Season 3 Episode 99 were about. Her interaction with Baam and his friends in that chapter was essentially one massive power trip where she systematically broke down their wheels and made them feel helpless and incapable of defying her wishes.

Consider the panel where she tells Baam and his friends that they cannot stop her from sealing Jinsung:
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That's an absolute power pose. The first word that comes to my mind when I see that scene is "Boss". Her dominance over them really manifests here. She tells them that they are powerless to stop her from getting her way and she feels uber powerful.

Another panel I'd like to highlight is when Maschenny asks the Lo Po Bia to restart the teleporter, saying that they will seal Jinsung as planned.
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Here the word that comes to mind for me is "regal".

All things considered, her presentation in S3 E99 made her look and feel like the queen that she is.


Another time when the mood around Maschenny manifested itself was in Season 3 Episode 85.

When she declares that she doesn't want the story to come to a boring ending:
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She looked like and felt like a conductor directing the orchestra.

That's a suitable metaphor for her presentation as someone trying to drive the story towards an outcome she considered more interesting.

When she mentions that the game became bigger than she expected and then people not even she could handle got involved:
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Maschenny looked helpless. As if she was someone at the brink of despair. Notice how she isn't sexualised at all in that panel? That's because that's not the kind of mood that SIU wants to set with Maschenny. He's trying to convey her powerlessness in the face of the Family Leaders.


I think this is the single most compelling explanation for the aesthetic changes Maschenny underwent between late Season 2 and post hiatus Season 3.


Reevaluated Stature
SIU has said that the higher a character's level, the more drip he gives them:

Season 3 Episode 107 Blog Post
SIU said:
I'm saying this, but clothes really are very expensive these days.

That's the way it is. I don't think there's anything that's not expensive in this era.

Whenever new characters come out, the type of the research materials [for their clothes] I use is slightly different, but the higher the level of characters, the more likely I am to browse through high-end brands that I can't even buy.

While looking at them I'm thinking "Wow, it's pretty," and alternately "Wow, how many meals could be bought with that money instead?" Over and over like that.

I don't know if this kind of thinking is socialism or materialism... Anyway.

The Tower of God is not modern, so I rarely use clothes exactly as I've seen them... but I think it's always necessary to study.

Maschenny's stature post-hiatus seems to be vastly higher than it was pre-hiatus. Compare Jinsung dismissing her as a delusional, reckless and ignorant kid who was overestimating herself:



To now regarding her as a massive python far too big for even the ocean to contain her:


Perhaps with this higher stature in the world, SIU sought to elevate her "drip"?


General Shift
It's also possible that Maschenny is not being sexualised in particular, but that there is simply a general shift in SIU's art style to emphasise the feminity and sexuality of his women. In particular, Aria, Lefav and Ha Satcha may have been recipients of this kind of treatment (however, Aria is purely a post-hiatus character, and Lefav and Ha Satcha had very few scenes before the hiatus, so there's no real control).

And many female characters post-hiatus have not been sexualised. Some names that come to mind:
  • Cheonhee
    {*]Dowon
  • Elaine
  • Evankhell
  • Hwa Ryun
  • Neneya (excluding her debut)
  • Namo
  • Sola
  • Sophia Tan

So I don't think the general shift argument is all that watertight. It's the argument I find least persuasive of all the three. The fan service treatment was clearly not given to everyone (in fact, only a small minority of post hiatus girls seem to have been sexualised), and Maschanny seems to have been the main "victim".

That said, SIU did provide some fanservice through Aria, Ha Satcha (and Neneya in her debut), so perhaps Maschenny is simply another vehicle for this. Furthermore, Maschenny is the most prominent female character at the Nest and the only Princess, so it's understandable that she would be given special focus/treatment.


Conclusions
Honestly speaking, I suspect it's some combination of all three of the factors I mentioned (though I am really partial to the first explanation I provided). There's some element of SIU setting the mood around Maschenny, some element of raising her drip level, and part of it is just plain Princess fanservice.

I just hope the new aesthetic is a permanent change for the better in her design and SIU doesn't revert to her late Season 2 design or otherwise deemphasise her feminity/sexuality. I love a sexy Maschenny and I'm unapologetic about it.

Though of course, the mood matters. When Maschenny is engaged in vicious combat may not really be the time to show off how sexy she is. SIU's treatment of Maschenny in S3 E85 makes me confident that he will adequately handle the mood around her going forward.



Questions
  1. Why do you think SIU gave her a makeover?
  2. What's your favourite panel of Post Hiatus Maschenny?
  3. What do you think about the design change she got?
    • What do you like about it?
    • What do you dislike about it?
    • Do you prefer her previous designs more?
  4. Do you agree that Maschenny is the sexiest girl in the story?





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Do you agree that Maschenny is the sexiest girl in the story?
The more you talk about her the more Thrilling she seems. But I believe she one of the smartest character in the show and one of the most powerful princess.

What do you like about it?
1. Her style of Fighting. Her fighting style and her transcendent moves, is what sold me for her character, and the Fact she's been hyped up for a long time.

What do you dislike about it?
Her Ego? But I can't really say that because she's backs up what she's says. I a say the only thing I dislike about her is how she probably doesn't know the consequences behind her actions. It's also alot of variables that can ruin her plains for chaos and destruction or the death of jahad, Which can effect her If she's not careful or cautious.

Do you prefer her previous designs more
Na I think she's more sexy this way.

Do you agree that Maschenny is the sexiest girl in the story?
Probably the sexiest female body. I like her smile too😁😁
 

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But I believe she one of the smartest character in the show and one of the most powerful princess.
Hmm, her Data version was outright introduced as one of the most powerful 13 Month Princesses:



The more you talk about her the more Thrilling she seems.
Maschenny has taken over my life. This is unironically my keyboard:


I haven't even typed anything. 😭


Probably the sexiest female body
📠

I like her smile too😁😁
It's really good:
 

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Plot twist, she's more womanly now because...

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"Your body may have become wider during pregnancy. This is because it was making room for your growing baby. Your ribs may have expanded, and your hips will often widen to make it easier for the baby to exit the birth canal. For some women wider ribs and hips will be permanent."

Let's see... this accounts for the expanded bust and sudden appearance of childbearing hips.

I think I know who the third minion is and why he/she is so short!
 

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Who's the father though?
Anything you want to share with the room?


Obviously I joke (I do?), but... there are a lot of ways you can go with this really:

- What if Mas, or any princess actually, had a child off the books (well, another one after Anak? Who knows how many RED has put down in all the years...)? Obviously there's all that going on with Anak, but that doesn't have to be a one-off event. In fact that just goes to show princesses aren't sterile, so it's possible for others as well. And the mother with Anak is 'resolved'... but just as interesting would be a princess still alive and fighting to keep it secret. (if anyone could succeed it would be Mas?)

- What if Mas was caught between two imperatives - her aging (mega-old) biological clock and her desire to stay loyal to empire/daddy Z? IRL, the desire to have children can drive women, well, batty, and to make odd choices as their hormones begin to shift one last time before their eggs dry up forever... now imagine that compounded with being thousands of years old in an undying (for all intents and purposes) body.

- What if she had an 'accident' stemming from one of those elite, Eyes Wide Shut parties thrown at the Z palace, forgot Plan B, and then had to have a kid in hiding? And WHERE would she have it? I think 43 obviously works for all the right reasons, but 44 is in the running (it's Khun-owned), 91 (circling back to a place in the middle of nowhere where Jinsung was able to hide), 97 (a strong FUG presence with Karaka having a castle, IDK maybe), 77 (one of the more interesting options because I could see a temp alliance with WingTree, it's off Z's radar, a remote forest-land), 134 (having it where least suspected, but where princesses probably control a lot of private residences?), 132/133/134 (again with 134, but Adori was born on 132... that's not unrelated - the shinsoo-density increases every floor up you go [also, that interesting phenomenon isn't really discussed much; why?]... sooooo, if you wanted to have the strongest baby possible you'd want it to be born/develop/grow up where it has the highest density, just like Adori did. Or superman on Krypton. Or how athletes train in low-oxygen environments such as the mountains to prepare their bodies to give them a gain at sea level... and Mas certainly would want the strongest baby possible). I guess ANY floor that allows for a vast middle area that can't be easily-patrolled by Z forces (hell, White had entire kingdoms and FUG clearly has bases everywhere, and blue holes have to live somewhere too) would suffice.

- WHO would be Mas' love interests, if ANYONE could be? We like to joke about Baam, but he's still a baby (err... old man?). Though, I could see only the strong, like Urek, getting Mas wet at all. Actually, I could see her with a capital ship full of cats in her old age, needing no man, married to her job, with an elective hysterectomy to take child-birth off the table and not slow her down in the corporate environment... but I digress. IF she had a man, who would it even be? Obviously no scrub. She certainly had Jinsung in that contraption for a long time, and we know his arms were secured but we really couldn't tell what was happening below the waist... a turkey-baster would be all that's necessary at that point... I also bet the Workshop has some potent seed in their cryo-storage, or Gustang for that matter (relics from the early days of experimenting with the princess program, which was Gustang's work after all), and if anyone would chose IVF with super-seed it would be a battle ax like Mas. Then again, Khun's like to 'keep it in the family' so there's always Eduan... he'd certainly not say no (to yet another daughter even), and the child would be a product of an irregular and Z blood (something Mas would take into account as she'd only want the best seed possible). Really though, doesn't she seem the type to go into a sperm bank and ask "What's your top-shelf stock?" and then start flipping through the donor candidates' profiles to find the best chad that went to Harvard with an IQ off the charts? If anyone would have a calculated and planned offspring it would be her, right?

- What would Mas do after having a kid in the middle of a (start of a) tower-wide war? What wouldn't she do? I'd guess anything is on the table, and this could explain a shift in her allegiances or even long-orchestrated plans.



You obviously like to humanize her, and here are just some ideas of many to do just that. I expect no less than 47 additional threads. Feel free to spin this thought off; sorry for the thread-jack, back to your regularly-scheduled programming.
 
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Then again, Khun's like to 'keep it in the family' so there's always Eduan... he'd certainly not say no (to yet another daughter even), and the child would be a product of an irregular and Z blood (something Mas would take into account as she'd only want the best seed possible).
I like this idea best. Especially as I believe that Maschenny (and Ran) are themselves children born of incest.

Their mother "Khun Maschenny" is most likely herself a daughter of Eduan:
  • She bears the "Khun" Family name
    • Only the true/acknowledged children of Khun are allowed to use the Family crest (and bear the Family name?)
    • Notice that Hatchuling just goes by "Hatchuling" not "Khun Hatchuling".
  • Except for the Yeon Family, people that marry into the Great Families are not required to take on the Family name.
    • The idea that all of Eduan's wives bear the "Khun" name is just absurd.
    • Even some people adopted into the Great Families are not given the name "Lo Po Bia".
      • Wang was never given that name for example.
      • Neither was Robbie the Lion.
      • Yasratcha only received that name as a special reward from Traumerei for killing Wang (the "traitor").
  • The Maschenny bloodline is an extremely potent line of Lightning style Spear Bearers.
    • Jeez, isn't that exactly Eduan's signature traits.
    • Note that the Maschenny Style Lightning Spear technique can only be used by children of Maschenny, not by any other children of Eduan.
      • This goes for Redan as well.
    • Why would a random Tower born have a more potent lightning/spear bearer bloodline than Eduan?
    • Why is it that the Maschennies inherit their unique abilities from their mother instead of their father?
    • Unless Mommy Maschenny has genes that function as an incredible enhancer/booster on top of other abilities, she must be an incredible Jeonsulsa and Spear Bearer herself.

I'm guessing that "Khun Maschenny" is one of Eduan's most distinguished daughters. And perhaps in the quest to produce the ultimate offspring (or perhaps in a lust riddled haze) he decided to "breed" her. The more interesting question would be if Khun Maschenny was herself a product of incest.

If the Maschennies are the end products of several generations of incest, it would help explain their issues and/or abnormalities (their extreme lust for blood and battle).


If you take that for granted, it wouldn't be surprising if Eduan decided to double down on that quest and create a child that combined his own bloodline with Zahard's.

(Maschenny's genetic material is probably so close to Eduan's that she's virtually a clone).
 

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Gross, but not the worst thing to happen in the tower. Possible and even probable.

Though, her eyes aren't too close together, nor too far apart, so hopefully she just dodged some of the physical expressions of such a union...
 

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I like this idea best. Especially as I believe that Maschenny (and Ran) are themselves children born of incest.

Their mother "Khun Maschenny" is most likely herself a daughter of Eduan:
  • She bears the "Khun" Family name
    • Only the true/acknowledged children of Khun are allowed to use the Family crest (and bear the Family name?)
    • Notice that Hatchuling just goes by "Hatchuling" not "Khun Hatchuling".
  • Except for the Yeon Family, people that marry into the Great Families are not required to take on the Family name.
    • The idea that all of Eduan's wives bear the "Khun" name is just absurd.
    • Even some people adopted into the Great Families are not given the name "Lo Po Bia".
      • Wang was never given that name for example.
      • Neither was Robbie the Lion.
      • Yasratcha only received that name as a special reward from Traumerei for killing Wang (the "traitor").
  • The Maschenny bloodline is an extremely potent line of Lightning style Spear Bearers.
    • Jeez, isn't that exactly Eduan's signature traits.
    • Note that the Maschenny Style Lightning Spear technique can only be used by children of Maschenny, not by any other children of Eduan.
      • This goes for Redan as well.
    • Why would a random Tower born have a more potent lightning/spear bearer bloodline than Eduan?
    • Why is it that the Maschennies inherit their unique abilities from their mother instead of their father?
    • Unless Mommy Maschenny has genes that function as an incredible enhancer/booster on top of other abilities, she must be an incredible Jeonsulsa and Spear Bearer herself.

I'm guessing that "Khun Maschenny" is one of Eduan's most distinguished daughters. And perhaps in the quest to produce the ultimate offspring (or perhaps in a lust riddled haze) he decided to "breed" her. The more interesting question would be if Khun Maschenny was herself a product of incest.

If the Maschennies are the end products of several generations of incest, it would help explain their issues and/or abnormalities (their extreme lust for blood and battle).


If you take that for granted, it wouldn't be surprising if Eduan decided to double down on that quest and create a child that combined his own bloodline with Zahard's.

(Maschenny's genetic material is probably so close to Eduan's that she's virtually a clone).
Female Eduan? Her fighting style is Hella similar to Eduan, so this makes perfect sense.
 

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TBH I don't think there is a deeper meaning behind mascheny's different artwork. Maybe SIU had an off day? I feel like occasionally he struggles in between making mascheny hot and making her resemble eduan.
 

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Real men of culture love her Early Season 2 design. Would honestly love to see an HD redo of this outfit in Volume 9 of the printed ToG Booklets
 

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Real men of culture love her Early Season 2 design. Would honestly love to see an HD redo of this outfit in Volume 9 of the printed ToG Booklets
She had blue skin here.

That said, I'd love to see Maschenny (with her current body) rock this outfit.
 
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