Discussion Merlin

[ShadowHeart]

Can we really be sure that she was at least 500? The only hint we have regarding her age is that Meliodas knew her before the other Sins IIRC. Gowther Sr. is not a Sin so he doesn't count and Gowther Jr. was 500 at the end of the war since he has been created after his dad got imprisoned.

Well she's known Meliodas the longest out of the Sins. And well Gowther Jr was created 500 years before the war.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well she's known Meliodas the longest out of the Sins. And well Gowther Jr was created 500 years before the war.

Yes but he could have met her at any age, maybe she was 5, maybe she was 2000. I am starting to think she is older than Meliodas himself.

 

[kkck]

Well Merlin was at least 500 years old before the war started. So older than most of the Commandments at least.

When was that said?

--- Double Post Merged, May 21, 2017, Original Post Date: May 21, 2017 ---

Fraudrin knew the two Gowther. It's confirmed in Volume 26 extras.

oh? I must have missed that. But even then, it doesn't seem like he knew doll gowther was his own person.

 

[ShadowHeart]

When was that said?

Merlin known Meliodas the longest among the Sins. That includes doll Gowther who was created and became a substitute Commandment 500 years before the Holy War began.

 

[Nait Sirhc]

Given that Merlin knew Meliodas from what sounds like BEFORE the Holy War, I have a feeling she had something to do with the seal. Since the demons didn't age while they were in the seal, doesn't that sound a LOT like Infinity? She probably just cast a simple stasis spell and then sealed it in one of the pieces of the relic.

 

[kkck]

Given that Merlin knew Meliodas from what sounds like BEFORE the Holy War, I have a feeling she had something to do with the seal. Since the demons didn't age while they were in the seal, doesn't that sound a LOT like Infinity? She probably just cast a simple stasis spell and then sealed it in one of the pieces of the relic.

Has it been confirmed? That merlin knows mel from before the war? Even if they do there would be the issue of how active she was. In any case, I have my doubts that merlin would have been so unaware of the commandments in general that she wouldn't even recall how strong they were when they revived. Besides, we know the seal was made by a giant and was a collaboration between the 4 clans.... It doesn't seem like merlin belongs to any clan so far.

 

[Nait Sirhc]

Has it been confirmed? That merlin knows mel from before the war? Even if they do there would be the issue of how active she was. In any case, I have my doubts that merlin would have been so unaware of the commandments in general that she wouldn't even recall how strong they were when they revived. Besides, we know the seal was made by a giant and was a collaboration between the 4 clans.... It doesn't seem like merlin belongs to any clan so far.

I don't believe that it's been specifically confirmed. It's just a conclusion drawn from the fact that Meliodas was Gowther Sr's lover, and he was around pre-Gowther Jr/pre-Holy War conclusion (and prior to the sealing). He also had the Selflessness commandment and Merlin already stated she has a natural resistance to Commandments, so she's familiar with the Commandments already.

 

[ShadowHeart]

So Elizabeth recognized Merlin but remembers her as a child. I'm guessing Nakaba meant years they known each other. Because that's the only way Merlin knowing Meliodas the longest among the Sins makes sense now. Her confession of love to Meliodas is probably the young innocent crush type of one.

 

[Baum]

It's just a conclusion drawn from the fact that Meliodas was Gowther Sr's lover,

The fuck? Even if you meant to write Merlin there, nothing like that is a "fact". Just (stupid) fan theories.

Anyway, NOW it's pretty much confirmed that they knew Merlin since around the end of the war. With her being 30 years old when she stops her time and Elizabeth knowing Merlin (as a child) she must've been born towards the conclusion of that stuff and Elizabeth implied a young Merlin used to visit Meliodas, possibly because he looked after her after the destruction of Belialuin since she lived there on her own (as a child/when she was a fair bit younger)

 

[Demonspeed]

The chapter invalidated the ''Merlin is Meliodas and Elizabeth's kid'' theory.

It was unlikely but I liked this one.

 

[ShadowHeart]

The chapter invalidated the ''Merlin is Meliodas and Elizabeth's kid'' theory.

It was unlikely but I liked this one.

Gowther Sr. being her father/lover as well.

 

[Demonspeed]

Gowther Sr. being her father/lover as well.

He could still be her father.

 

[ShadowHeart]

He could still be her father.

How? He was in prison when Merlin was born.

 

[Demonspeed]

How? He was in prison when Merlin was born.

True. You are right, I forgot about this.

 

[Baum]

How? He was in prison when Merlin was born.

We don't know that, it's still possible that the actual end of the war was a ways off when Gowther was freed from prison.

That said, I don't think Merlin is even a demon or goddess (or a mix) considering she must've aged like a regular human. I'm still expecting her to be something unique (as in, not part of a race we know about right now) but I don't think demons age (and grow) like Merlin supposedly did. I feel like she would've looked a lot younger at her age if she was part of any of the long-living races.

 

[ShadowHeart]

We don't know that, it's still possible that the actual end of the war was a ways off when Gowther was freed from prison.

That said, I don't think Merlin is even a demon or goddess (or a mix) considering she must've aged like a regular human. I'm still expecting her to be something unique (as in, not part of a race we know about right now) but I don't think demons age (and grow) like Merlin supposedly did. I feel like she would've looked a lot younger at her age if she was part of any of the long-living races.

I doubt the war lasted more than a few months after he freed himself.

 

[Demonspeed]

If we want to consider every single possibilities, he could still be her dad via Gowther the Doll .

The Balor's Eye thing is still a mystery. Unless Merlin gave it to Gowther when they met as Sins, but I think it would be a bit odd. Gowther had most likely been loaded with it since the start.

 

[ShadowHeart]

If we want to consider every single possibilities, he could still be her dad via Gowther the Doll .

The Balor's Eye thing is still a mystery. Unless Merlin gave it to Gowther when they met as Sins, but I think it would be a bit odd. Gowther had most likely been loaded with it since the start.

That would make him her grandfather XD.

 

[Aonori]

She's not. Infinity implies she can keep her abilities running for eternity, but it doesn't mean she has infinite magic or can have a spell remain active no matter what you do to it. Meliodas and Escanor are far stronger, but she's far trickier.

And isnt that pretty OP? Being pretty much the Archmage of the sins and having infinite duration magic effs taking place is no joke, yes it´s not the equivalent of infinite power output, which would be even higher hax, but Merlin is still more powerful, Strength wise Escanor and Meliodas could try to take her out yes, but she has more magic spell arsenal to showcase, and while it´s true Meliodas Full counter would counter a lot of what Merlin could throw at him it doesnt work on 100% of what Merlin throws at him, like curses or perfect Cube spell casting, Meliodas cant counter any of that.

The issue of a 1 on 1 against Merlin is that if her abilities have no ending duration, she has thousands of years of experience and can cast pretty much a high amount of spells, she will always have the upperhand, now of course it all depends on what Merlin has to offer as far as spells like enchants and curses go, she could very easily screw Meliodas and Escanor if she has spells that could work against their weaknesses.

For instance, if she has acess to Goddess spells Mel would be fucked, or if she has acess to spells that would restrict Escanor power in anyway shape or form, no matter how small it would still work quite well as a counter.

If for every spell she activates she can have it last a infinity with no proper drawbacks to her, she would literally be saving tons more of magic power than the rest of the other spellcasters, this is a great advantage, Mel and Escanor would definitely lose a dragged out fight with Merlin.

 

[Gallon]

And isnt that pretty OP? Being pretty much the Archmage of the sins and having infinite duration magic effs taking place is no joke, yes it´s not the equivalent of infinite power output, which would be even higher hax, but Merlin is still more powerful, Strength wise Escanor and Meliodas could try to take her out yes, but she has more magic spell arsenal to showcase, and while it´s true Meliodas Full counter would counter a lot of what Merlin could throw at him it doesnt work on 100% of what Merlin throws at him, like curses or perfect Cube spell casting, Meliodas cant counter any of that.

The issue of a 1 on 1 against Merlin is that if her abilities have no ending duration, she has thousands of years of experience and can cast pretty much a high amount of spells, she will always have the upperhand, now of course it all depends on what Merlin has to offer as far as spells like enchants and curses go, she could very easily screw Meliodas and Escanor if she has spells that could work against their weaknesses.

She'd have to catch them first. We saw with Galan that no matter how powerful the mage, if the spells are incapable of reaching the enemy, the mage is done for.
She's pretty powerful, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she'll win no matter what. Perfect Cube is more often used as a defensive technique due to its "trapping" stationary objects. If it's an opponent who can outrun the initiation period of a teleportation technique, they'll have no problem avoiding Perfect Cube. And besides, even if they were caught, it wouldn't result in Merlin's victory, but rather a temporary stalemate.

Merlin has limited magic, despite her abilities' having unlimited duration. Additionally, she cannot, until proven otherwise, use spells which are inherent to other clans, as in the Goddesses' Ark, the Giants' Creation, the Fairies' nature control, and so on.

For instance, if she has acess to Goddess spells Mel would be fucked, or if she has acess to spells that would restrict Escanor power in anyway shape or form, no matter how small it would still work quite well as a counter.

Meh, if the Commandments are capable of dodging an Omega Ark from two elite angels, Meliodas won't have any issues with a subpar version of it, even if Merlin had her hands on such abilities, which she (very) likely doesn't.