Mihawk discussion

[Freakzin]

wait a second there. Brook is definetely a swordsman... what makes you think he isn't?

 

[Imitorar]

^Attitude. Mindset. That sort of thing. Just because he uses a sword doesn't make him a swordsman. It's that... well, the fact that he uses a sword doesn't define who he his. Brook could be Brook without using a sword. Zoro isn't Zoro if he doesn't practice the art of the sword. Neither is Mihawk. It's a lifestyle, sort of.

 

[Freakzin]

i get what you mean now

 

[Timeless]

Mihawk and Shanks were rivals. That's fact. As rivals, they fought each other many times - if it was for the title, I don't know - but personally I believe they fought as a way to become stronger. I can see everyone here agrees that Shanks and Mihawk are almost equal - with varying opinions on who is the strongest.

Now, in a fight, there are three different outcomes - win, loss and tie. If Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world (a title I am certain he could not attain from an opponent because he was the strongest swordsman and then lost an arm) that means that he didn't lose to Shanks, at least not in the latest battles they fought. So - mind you that this is just my educated guess - Mihawk vs. Shanks ended in a tie most of the time. If Shanks won all the time, then one win by Mihawk wouldn't really count for much, would it? So I'd guess that the results were pretty much the same but that Shanks had more losses than Mihawk. This would mean that Mihawk was stronger, though it'd be close.

The reason Mihawk refused to fight Shanks after he lost an arm, isn't because he didn't acknowledge Shanks as a swordsman. It's because he knew there wouldn't be any contest when his opponent had been handicapped. He probably enjoyed fighting such close battles with Shanks - my guess is that they through those fights pushed each other to getting stronger. The fact that Mihawk tells Zoro to strive to surpass him tells me that Mihawk wants nothing more than to push his limits and become even stronger in the way of the sword, kind of like what Zoro himself wants. He knows Shanks' strength all too well, meaning he won't challenge a weakened Shanks since it won't allow him to become stronger.

Please also note that Shanks didn't actually challenge Mihawk after he lost an arm - he asked if Mihawk was there to challenge HIM, but Mihawk declined since Shanks was weakened. It's been stated that Mihawk accepts all challenges, but he didn't fight one-armed Shanks because neither challenged the other. Mihawk wanting to challenge Shanks doesn't mean that he's weaker than him, either - as I said, it means they used to be about equal in power, so Mihawk fighting Shanks would allow him to push his limits. I think it's pretty obvious that losing an arm though is a big handicap for Shanks.

Therefore, I believe Mihawk to be stronger, especially now that his rival is missing an arm. Also, I want you to know that Shanks is my favourite character of all manga and animes I've read/seen, so this isn't a case of Mihawk-fanboying or anything.

I apologize if I was too repetitive, but I was trying to make my point as clear as possible.

 

[Sorata]

Timeless: I really liked your post, it was the most clarifing post of this entire thread, very good.

 

[Imitorar]

Mihawk is probably stronger now, if only due to the lack of an arm for Shanks. But I still say that they were roughly equal before.

 

[psolaras]

brooke is a swordsman,zoro's attitude and dedication comes from his personallity and not from the code of honour of swordsmen

and when those zombie mice informed moria about brooke someone said that he is a famous swordsman so there is no doubt since oda himself stated it

and i don't have the databooks now since i borowed my OP dvds to a friend but i shall ask for shanks' page in the blue databook to be translated when i get them back so this can be solved though i believe the person that said it was stated that shanks is a swordsman since he was the one to translate the databook quotes i posted

also mihawk and shanks were rivals once uppon a time,no matter what we think mihawk is stronger,even if we think that shanks was his equal but he lost his arm and he got weaker or even if mihawk won aganst shanks b4 he lost his arm doesn't matter since mihawk's title speaks by himself

also shanks wouldn't leave an unsettled rivalry with mihawk so he could hang with luffy in east blue for a whole year,i am positive the fight was decided long b4 that

also i agree that shanks didn't challenge mihawk but the comment about the one armed man could be a taunt to an ex rival,we don't knwo what mihawk meant but mhawk stated that he has stopped thinking about fighting shanks for a very long time so this fight was decided and though it won't rehappen we will see shanks vs mihawk in flashbacks

 

[mck06]

It seems that the previous hawkeye vs shanks was tie. shanks lost his arm but with this handicap he meet whitebeard and leave consciousness almost all the tripulation. and during the meeting whitebeard talk about the legendary fight of this two chapter 434 also the scan on his eye is from this battle. Also he got a lot of balls without 1 arm he cross swords with whitebeard :P he must be a little weaker than in those days but remember that he's 1 of the 4 Yonkou, they are more powerful or equal to the Shichibukai and Navy Headquarters.

 

[Sorata]

It´s not that he have a lot of balls(by the way he has it), but that sword crossing with WB was just Shanks making a statement, Shanks and WB both known that a fight wasn´t going to accur, was just to release their anger and stress from the conversation they just had.

 

[Absolutio]

Yea, as the saying: "Men talk with their fists!"

 

[BlackOP]

Mihawk would win without doubt, Mihawk is at the same level as White beard and Shanks, not to mention that he is Zoro´s final goal, so an even fight against Mihawk will only happen at the end of the manga, and by now Luffy is just an ant compared to Mihawk.

Just an ant??!?!?!? RU cant b serious!!! Luffy is now on da same level as the other Shichibukai( I spelled that wrong) im not saying that he would own Mihawk but he would put up a hell of a fight.... and he jus defeated another shichibukai.... his bounty is gonna go way up there now... though its true we dont know the bounty of Mihawk

 

[Absolutio]

Just an ant??!?!?!? RU cant b serious!!! Luffy is now on da same level as the other Shichibukai( I spelled that wrong) im not saying that he would own Mihawk but he would put up a hell of a fight.... and he jus defeated another shichibukai.... his bounty is gonna go way up there now... though its true we dont know the bounty of Mihawk

Mihawk is considered the king of shichibukai, first of all.. So he's in a whole different level than what we've seen so far.. That's a first...
And who said that Luffy already beat Moria.. ?

 

[Imitorar]

Either way, an ant is stretching it... I'm not saying that Luffy could beat Mihawk or anything, but he could definitely put up a good fight. And Absulutio, Mihawk is considered the King of Shichibukai not so much because of any evidence of that, but because people like him so much and he seems so much more powerful and independent then the rest. But whether he is the strongest of them or not, Luffy could probably put up a good fight, though he'd probably lose at this point. The same thing goes for Zoro. He could put up a decent point, but as things are now, he'd lose.

 

[Absolutio]

About "King of the shichibukai".. As according to Wikipedia, it's from the databooks this "title".. But dunno how reliable wikipedia is..

 

[Impel Down]

I don't remember "King of the Shichibukai" ever being used, and I'm pretty sure Oda would never go to such lengths as to give Shichibukai "levels" withing the WG.

And it's not like we know the Shichibukai's powers in comparison to one another, so it's really hard to say if one is stronger than the other. Someone could easily make the argument that Crocodile is stronger than Mihawk because he can't be cut.

 

[hollowfied]

As I said earlier, I believe that Mihawk can cut elements.

But we don't know, as of yet.

Btw, Welcome back Impel

 

[Impel Down]

Well, of course you can cut sand. Anyone can cut sand. Same goes for Ao Kiji, he was ice, and he was shattered many times, but he could still reform himself. If Mihawk cuts off Crocodile's head, it'll just reform with sand. Same would go for if he cuts Ace or Smoker.

And thanks.

 

[Sorata]

And here we go again......like i said for the 1000 time non Akuma no Mi users can defeat Logia users, Oda said it in one of the databooks, there are ways to defeat Logia users without Sea Metal and their natural weaknesses, we already talked about this a lot, let´s not begin a discussion about this again please.

 

[Impel Down]

And here we go again......like i said for the 1000 time non Akuma no Mi users can defeat Logia users, Oda said it in one of the databooks, there are ways to defeat Logia users without Sea Metal and their natural weaknesses, we already talked about this a lot, let´s not begin a discussion about this again please.

You can table-top them so they fall into the sea.

 

[Imitorar]

The best bet for beating a Logia user without Seastone or their weakness substance would be to take them by surprise, since Crocodile was unique in that he was always in elemental form and couldn't be cut. If you cut, say, Enel, while he was sleeping, he would die. It's just that he'd also hear you coming with Mantra and frag you. Ace could take physical attacks also if he's taken by surprise, like we saw in Alabasta when Luffy knocked into him and Smoker. It's only when he's in his elemental form that solid objects go through him. It's just that the Logia users we've seen so far have almost never been shown in a situation where they were taken by surprise, so it seems like eating a Logia fruit makes you invulnerable, but that's really not the case.