Fantasy Mirajane vs Kyria

[Jko]

The dragons Future Rogue was shown to control were not anything comparable to Igneel.

You did not answer my question.



Immortality is one thing, but Metsu literally only almost killed Makarov because his magical power was drained.
The death part is a side effect, not the actual point of the attack.



It is literally the meaning of the word. Believing and understand it is the sensible thing to do. The word absolute falls to that meaning in every single context. You can't give it leeways just because you want it to mean a specific thing.



Macro controls people. You say it's absolute. You can't create your own headcanon here to make excuses. None of what you said here explains why she wasn't able to tear her apart, which was the order she set upon herself. Absolute means no other factors would matter. Mirajane's durability/endurance mattered. Tells you everything tbh.



A strawman argument is countering an argument the other person didn't make. You were arguing that it can work against anyone with a higher MP, therefore, you must also believe it could work on anyone on Acnologia's level.

If you don't think it wouldn't work on people on Acnologia's level, say Mercuphobia or Igneel, explain to me why. You can't go both ways. You can't tell me it would work on characters way stronger than Seilah then cave in when characters way stronger than Seilah is brought up.

Honestly thought we were pertaining the matter to only Kyria and people of her caliber or a bit higher on the spectrum of power only. There's a level where NLF can be presented like if Macro can work on Goku or not (well a case can be made). Kyria is not in an entire different ballpark so I don't think it even needs to be discussed, but I'll share my thoughts on the matter.

For Acno he can negate Macro but that's not bcs of his PL but his ability to resist and eat any form of magic. Dragon's have Dragon scales which make them nigh impervious to magical attacks and can lessen or negate hax like Igneel's dead dragon scales protected Natsu from Death magic. Their Dragon's scales can considered a counter to the magic so we can't say it would be bcs of PL they overpowered macro either. A similar ability like Macro but a DS variant to control Dragons (Dragon Supremacy magic) have worked on Dragon's far superior to F.Rogue yet still couldn't work on Acnologia so once their scales are bypass even dragons are susceptible to hax (but not Acno due to his DS ability being the Magic Dragon).

 

[kaiiruuu]

Mira stays afloat and macros Kyria to slice her neck.

Unless Kyria is shown to resist Macro in the manga, Mira takes this.

Also why is there suddenly an influx of Mira battle threads? Y'all try hard to drag her? hahaha

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Even without Macro. I think Mira can take this. Her speed in BSS is evenly match with Skullion (and this is her weakest form). And she was able to blocked Madmole's surprise attack. Another thing is Kyria's defense is not special even her speed. I think Sitri can knock her out.

Another thing is. Mirajane has the aerial advantage. I doubt Kyria can block the evil explosion without taking a damage.

 

[Demon Hunter]

maybe Kyria for now.

she is fighting Laxus currently and while Laxus doesn't seem to be troubled for now, she might pull out her hax.

 

[Axiomus]

Macro wasn't relevant in the Alvarez arc. It wasn't able to take out all of the Wall's soldiers, Wall's proxy robot, or Juliet & Heine. Heck, Mirajane isn't even using macro to take out Lucy. If Mirajane doesn't use macro to defeat either Skullion or Madmole, we can safely assume that it won't work on Kyria.

Skullion isn't faster than Kyria. Kyria can who can basically keep up with Erza, so there's no real speed advantage here. Mirajane also didn't block Madmole's slap. Madmole hit her and knocked her back.

Spoiler: This isn't a block

Erza couldn't knock out Kyria with her Belserion sword, which is her Fairy Sword: Red Sakura enchanted with Wendy's dragon slaying magic, the same sword that Erza used to break Irene's meteor. Sitri has never taken out anyone noteworthy, so I very much doubt that Mirajane can take out Kyria with Sitri.

 

[Arjuna]

Mira stays afloat and macros Kyria to slice her neck.

Unless Kyria is shown to resist Macro in the manga, Mira takes this.

Also why is there suddenly an influx of Mira battle threads? Y'all try hard to drag her? hahaha

If i be honest i doubt Macro is absolute,


This single panel dispels any such possibility

Spoiler

If she could easily use Macro and can make anyone follow her orders then she would have needed to request Juliet and Hyhne to stay down.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Macro wasn't relevant in the Alvarez arc. It wasn't able to take out all of the Wall's soldiers, Wall's proxy robot, or Juliet & Heine. Heck, Mirajane isn't even using macro to take out Lucy. If Mirajane doesn't use macro to defeat either Skullion or Madmole, we can safely assume that it won't work on Kyria.

Skullion isn't faster than Kyria. Kyria can who can basically keep up with Erza, so there's no real speed advantage here. Mirajane also didn't block Madmole's slap. Madmole hit her and knocked her back.

Spoiler: This isn't a block

Erza couldn't knock out Kyria with her Belserion sword, which is her Fairy Sword: Red Sakura enchanted with Wendy's dragon slaying magic, the same sword that Erza used to break Irene's meteor. Sitri has never taken out anyone noteworthy, so I very much doubt that Mirajane can take out Kyria with Sitri.

Nope Mirajane blocked Madmole's attacked as you can see she was crossing her arm indicating she really blocked his attack but in return she was push back. Second, Kyria was easily hitted by laxus with his normal punch. Third, she was also hitted by the empress armor which is not even a speed type armor. Fourth, she was easily Freezed by gray. So there is nothing impresive about her speed.

And last we have yet to seen Sitri's potential. Or even its powerful nuke. Maybe the best that was sitri shown is to stunned zirconis . It just Seilah's limit release is much stronger and faster at that time.

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If i be honest i doubt Macro is absolute,


This single panel dispels any such possibility

Spoiler

If she could easily use Macro and can make anyone follow her orders then she would have needed to request Juliet and Hyhne to stay down.

You need to consider the plot or the story. It will be boring if she will use macro all the time. Unless someone resist it ( on 1 vs 1) then that the time i will believe it.

Oh by the way i think they followed Mirajane request. They really stayed down and they reverted to their original form.

 

[WoWfan]

Macro could very well have a number limit it can reach. Well should not pull it out carelessly if in the middle of fighting, she only pulled it out when her allies were around, likely to give her cover while issuing the orders

 

[Arjuna]

Nope Mirajane blocked Madmole's attacked as you can see she was crossing her arm indicating she really blocked his attack but in return she was push back. Second, Kyria was easily hitted by laxus with his normal punch. Third, she was also hitted by the empress armor which is not even a speed type armor. Fourth, she was easily Freezed by gray. So there is nothing impresive about her speed.

And last we have yet to seen Sitri's potential. Or even its powerful nuke. Maybe the best that was sitri shown is to stunned zirconis . It just Seilah's limit release is much stronger and faster at that time.

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You need to consider the plot or the story. It will be boring if she will use macro all the time. Unless someone resist it ( on 1 vs 1) then that the time i will believe it.

Oh by the way i think they followed Mirajane request. They really stayed down and they reverted to their original form.

Macro is overrated in my opinion or Mira really lacked intelligence and unnecessarily went all out

 

[WoWfan]

Well Macro is not a combat based ability, and would require no interruption.

 

[Axiomus]

Nope Mirajane blocked Madmole's attacked as you can see she was crossing her arm indicating she really blocked his attack but in return she was push back. Second, Kyria was easily hitted by laxus with his normal punch. Third, she was also hitted by the empress armor which is not even a speed type armor. Fourth, she was easily Freezed by gray. So there is nothing impresive about her speed.

And last we have yet to seen Sitri's potential. Or even its powerful nuke. Maybe the best that was sitri shown is to stunned zirconis . It just Seilah's limit release is much stronger and faster at that time.

No. Just because Mirajane's hands are up doesn't mean she blocked the hit. Madmole's slap hit her somewhere in the torso. Mirajane's arms are all the way up by her head. She's not even covering anything with the arm we can see. Her face is wide open. She clearly got hit. Not like it matters because Madmole isn't all that fast either. Natsu can react to his steel fist, and Kyria can react to Natsu.

So? Laxus managed to tag Kyria. So what? He's not blitzing her at speeds where she is unable to keep up. Just because people can hit Dimaria doesn't mean that she can't keep up with them. Mirajane gets tagged by Jacob, gets tagged by Juliet and Heine, gets tagged by both Skullion and Madmole. There isn't a gap between Dimaria and Mirajane. Dimaria is able to keep up with Erza, and her roar can hit both Laxus and Jellal. She would be able to keep up with Mirajane.

Sitri didn't stun Zirconis. Sitri didn't do anything to Zirconis. He literally says he didn't even feel it.

Spoiler

 

[WoWfan]

Even then, Mirajane is still able to move even after taking hits from them and did not lose consciousness. And Juliet and Hyène are not your typical pushover subordinates compared to the others

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Macro is overrated in my opinion or Mira really lacked intelligence and unnecessarily went all out

She went all out to showcase Mirajane Alegria. If she will use macro all the time
Then her screen time in the manga might decrease to 1 page in every battle. Make sense? And fans will complain because it is boring af.

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No. Her arm

No. Just because Mirajane's hands are up doesn't mean she blocked the hit. Madmole's slap hit her somewhere in the torso. Mirajane's arms are all the way up by her head. She's not even covering anything with the arm we can see. Her face is wide open. She clearly got hit. Not like it matters because Madmole isn't all that fast either. Natsu can react to his steel fist, and Kyria can react to Natsu.

So? Laxus managed to tag Kyria. So what? He's not blitzing her at speeds where she is unable to keep up. Just because people can hit Dimaria doesn't mean that she can't keep up with them. Mirajane gets tagged by Jacob, gets tagged by Juliet and Heine, gets tagged by both Skullion and Madmole. There isn't a gap between Dimaria and Mirajane. Dimaria is able to keep up with Erza, and her roar can hit both Laxus and Jellal. She would be able to keep up with Mirajane.

Sitri didn't stun Zirconis. Sitri didn't do anything to Zirconis. He literally says he didn't even feel it.

Spoiler

Nope her arm(s) was in 45°angle suggesting that she was crossing her arms. Or else you will see her lying on the floor.

Madmole was fast enough to blocked Erza's attacked using his head besides Kyria was surprised that Madmole was already there.

Well Juliet and Hyiene were subordinate of Irene for a reasons. Jacob also tagged base Natsu.

okay then. But Sitri was able to caught Zirconis attention. Enough for Wendy to land an attack.

Like what i have said we have yet to seen Sitri's potential. There are reasons why it was considered by Erza as the strongest form under Mirajane arsenal.

If BSS can hold its own against the 2 diabolos. I'm assuming Sitri will fair better.

 

[kaiiruuu]

Macro was forgotten because if Mira continuously used it, she'd beat everyone, the story will get boring, and y'all wouldn't be able to make battle threads like this one.

Macro's orders are said to be absolute by Seila (its original user) and no one in the manga has been shown to break free from or, least resist it. Unless we're shown with a character defying Macro, I won't buying that ""but she hasn't used macro on higher tier characters yEt""

Btw, she couldn't use Macro on juliet Hunhe cuz they were objects. Macro doesn't work properly on corpses, even more on objects. Though she was shown to control books, I think it was simple telekonesis. Might be wrong here though

 

[Axiomus]

She went all out to showcase Mirajane Alegria. If she will use macro all the time
Then her screen time in the manga might decrease to 1 page in every battle. Make sense? And fans will complain because it is boring af.

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No. Her arm

Nope her arm(s) was in 45°angle suggesting that she was crossing her arms. Or else you will see her lying on the floor.

Madmole was fast enough to blocked Erza's attacked using his head besides Kyria was surprised that Madmole was already there.

Well Juliet and Hyiene were subordinate of Irene for a reasons. Jacob also tagged base Natsu.

okay then. But Sitri was able to caught Zirconis attention. Enough for Wendy to land an attack.

Like what i have said we have yet to seen Sitri's potential. There are reasons why it was considered by Erza as the strongest form under Mirajane arsenal.

If BSS can hold its own against the 2 diabolos. I'm assuming Sitri will fair better.

Hold your arm out like that and have someone try to punch you in the face. You can even hold both arms out like that and see if that works. Her elbows are flared out so she's not covering anything. Besides, Madmole is palm-striking her in the torso.

Juliet and Heine were subordinates for Irene because she wanted minions. A lot of people can tag base Natsu. Including Kyria.

I wouldn't call Mirajane's performance last chapter as her holding her own. Skullion is basically winning, and he doesn't really need Madmole's help. Maybe Sitri could tip the scales back in Mirajane's favour, but like I said Kyria can tank blows from Erza's belserion sword.

 

[WoWfan]

you can hold your arms out and block an attack, it wouldn’t matter Anyway, Juliet and Heyne were no normal subordinate, Skullion was only getting a hit in, and Mira can react to his attacks too, Kyria was basically done after being one shouted by a strike From the Belserion sword.

 

[Seven777]

Even if she blocked the attack, who cares? It's not like Madmole is particularly fast, in fact he seems by far the slowest of the 3

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Hold your arm out like that and have someone try to punch you in the face. You can even hold both arms out like that and see if that works. Her elbows are flared out so she's not covering anything. Besides, Madmole is palm-striking her in the torso.

Juliet and Heine were subordinates for Irene because she wanted minions. A lot of people can tag base Natsu. Including Kyria.

I wouldn't call Mirajane's performance last chapter as her holding her own. Skullion is basically winning, and he doesn't really need Madmole's help. Maybe Sitri could tip the scales back in Mirajane's favour, but like I said Kyria can tank blows from Erza's belserion sword.

What one kick and he is already winning?

Like what i said if she didnt block madmole's attack she should be lying already on the ground. She was only pushed back.

Okay Given that she can tank a sword but i doubt she can tank a nuke without getting a damage unless she is intangible or have an armor like madmole.

Can she fly? I dont think so. If mirajane will fly for at least 200 ft and continuously nuke her with evil explosion and soul extinction then Kyria is done.

There is nothing impressive in her speed and defense.

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Even if she blocked the attack, who cares? It's not like Madmole is particularly fast, in fact he seems by far the slowest of the 3

Madmole is fast enough to block erza's attack. Thats why kyria was surprised that madmole was already there. Unless he has teleportation.

 

[Seven777]

What one kick and he is already winning?

Like what i said if she didnt block madmole's attack she should be lying already on the ground. She was only pushed back.

Okay Given that she can tank a sword but i doubt she can tank a nuke without getting a damage unless she is intangible or have an armor like madmole.

Can she fly? I dont think so. If mirajane will fly for at least 200 ft and continuously nuke her with evil explosion and soul extinction then Kyria is done.

There is nothing impressive in her speed and defense.

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Madmole is fast enough to block erza's attack. Thats why kyria was surprised that madmole was already there. Unless he has teleportation.

Pretty sure Skullion teleported him there.

 

[Axiomus]

What one kick and he is already winning?

Like what i said if she didnt block madmole's attack she should be lying already on the ground. She was only pushed back.

Okay Given that she can tank a sword but i doubt she can tank a nuke without getting a damage unless she is intangible or have an armor like madmole.

Can she fly? I dont think so. If mirajane will fly for at least 200 ft and continuously nuke her with evil explosion and soul extinction then Kyria is done.

There is nothing impressive in her speed and defense.

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He's winning so far. Mirajane is currently lying on the ground.

She didn't block Madmole's attack. Madmole's attack was only strong enough to push her back. It was just a slap. This is all besides the point. The point is that reacting to Madmole doesn't prove that MIrajane has any sort of an advantage against Kyria when it comes to speed. Madmole isn't all that fast.

Erza's sword has better feats than Satan Soul's nukes. It's the same sword that cut Irene's meteor.

So what if Kyria can't fly? She still has long ranged attacks. If Mirajane can tag her with her nukes, then Kyria can tag Mirajane with her roar.