Fantasy Mirajane vs Kyria

[Ebony Maw]

Raiko red lightning: The lightning has been described as being "lightning that goes beyond lightning",it was powerful and possesses unique properties, as it was able to kill Wall Eehto, a Machias who is extremely proud of his immunity to all forms of traditional lightning, be it Dragon Slayer lightning or otherwise.

Did Laxus kill anyone in his secret art?

As I said earlier, Machias are super weak to electric so Red Lightning killing Wahl always needs to be viewed with that in mind.

Red Lightning killing Wahl is not an amazing feat when you remember that he almost killed Ajeel with a nameless nuke. The only thing saving Wahl in that fight was his Weakness Magic, Red Lightning only worked because Weakness Magic couldn't analyse it and prepare defences, if it could we have no reason to believe it would have hurt Wahl - basically, Red Lightning killing Wahl doesn't prove its his best spell, it was just the one spell that could actually trick Wahl's Magic.

With the above being said, Kyria surviving Laxus' Secret Art is a solid durability feat. Proves she's far, far more durable than Spriggans like Ajeel.

Macro was effective against everyone in the eyesight of Mirajane. It was used against 30 or more soldiers. Did Seilah used it on 30 or more because Mirajane did.

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Macro just failed to control fodder, Lisanna confirms it.

Remember macro was used by Seilah against Erza in the red pants, Neo Minerva and with the 4 exceeds simulataneously. At the point that she can be oneshotted by the basic satan soul

Unless you want to claim that depleted Seilah>> tartaros Erza in the red pants + Neo Minerva + 4 exceeds.

I'm not interested in how great Seilah is at using Macro.

Mira's Macro has failed against fodder. Why should I believe it will affect Kyria?

So because Jacob did not use transport against Mirajane then he cant use his transport on someone against Mirajane caliber?

Jacob was riddled with PIS in that fight. He also already proved he can Transport those above Mira's tier when he caught Brandish with it.

So because Irene didnt use her enchantment to turn Erza into mouse then it wont work against Erza?

The only person she transformed into mouse was Hisui, a relative fodder to the likes of Erza.

So yes, I would say that Irene can't turn Erza into a mouse during a fight.

Like what i said Kyria has not shown any defensive capabilities. She couldnt tank the empress flames armor or any stronger spell.

She has shown defensive capabilities, as shown by her cutting Aquametria, consistently blocking Erza's attacks, and dodging Wendy/Carla:

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Also though Erza's Flame Empress' Soaring Flame Blade hurt Kyria, she was still more than ready to fight once she hit the ground:

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Tempesta even put a good fight against Laxus than what has Kyria has shown.

Absolute crap.

Tempesta was getting stomped and had to kill himself. He even lost to a greatly weakened Laxus at the end of Tartaros during their anime-only rematch.

Also trying to equate Tartaros Laxus and Current Laxus is a poor argument. Current Laxus would completely stomp Jura, who gave Laxus an extreme-diff match in GMG. They are completely different beasts. Kyria would beat Tartaros Laxus, likely with ease.

It was hinted by Mirajane that they did fought before. Since she compared kamikas lighting to laxus attack. Even laxus hyped Mirajane in the GMG arc. I doubt he would hype her if shes not strong enough or if they did not test each other strength. Remember in the galuna island arc, when happy stole the s class mission. Laxus is the first person to triggered Mirajane's demon persona. He even claimed that its been a long time since he seen that kind of look.

Again, I don't get why you're trying to bring back how Laxus hyped GMG Mira. GMG Mira herself said Jura would beat her and Erza together. Jura gave GMG/Tartaros Laxus an extreme-diff match. Jura is now fodder compared to Laxus.

The power scale has changed far too drastically to rely on hype from pre-Alvarez.

If you want to make me think Mira > Kyria prove it by relevant feats and hype that wasn't from before Avatar.

It was in Anime i think but nevertheless. He still put a good fight.

Laxus had literally been bedridden for the entire arc because of MBPs, this is a point in Laxus' favour not Tempester's.

Yes that was long ago. But Mirajane has improved since then. She was able to get Seilah (her limit release form one shotted the sitri) and all the souls of tartaros. Not to mention Mirajane Alegria.

Mira has improved. To the point that she had to go all out to quickly defeat two Spriggan subordinates. While I'm not saying Alegria is weak, all we know about it is that it can one-shot foes on the level of J/H and that even doing that drained Mira of a lot of MP.

If defeating J/H with Alegria genuinely takes Mira a lot of Magic I don't see how its all that impressive. J/H didn't use Magic that was particularly impressive, nor did they seem to be particularly threatening from a physical aspect. On the other hand Kyria is a Dragon Slayer, one physically able to compete with Erza and powerful enough to nearly one-shot Lucy and Wendy with a casual roar.

So far I just don't think anything you've shown or said is putting Mira above Kyria.

Never oneshotted Ajeel, can't give feats to things that never happened. If so, I could just say Wall could have oneshotted Laxus. Ajeel fodderized Erza by just

There's a clear difference between you claiming Wahl could one-shot Laxus and August saying Ajeel would have died had he been hit by Laxus' nuke.

Its a casual punch It’s the same punch he used to beat his father

My boy, what he used against Kyria was a Secret Art:

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[LaGOAT]

Except Erza was trashed in one hit by Irene's slap

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I don't hate Laxus, I just don't wank him like some Laxus fans. Look at the latest chapter, people basically kissed the man's feet for pulling Erza level bullshit and they turned a blind eye bcs he's Laxus.

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Y'all act like Laxus smashed Ajeel and then dropped that nuke lol.

Context matters. As I said, I could just say Laxus would've been oneshotted by Wall's attack based off his face alone.

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Except that laxus have proven to be a powerful adversary and time and time again he has proven it I don’t why U think a canon fodder like kyria would made a difference when she couldn’t beat erza. 2. I didn’t like the speech myself it would have just been simple if hiro just said that Laxus Mp>kyria mp

3. August confirm it I mean why else would make that statement.What face did he make? that was the face of him suffering from cancer. And the fight vs wall was-basically the same with tempster round 2

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As I said earlier, Machias are super weak to electric so Red Lightning killing Wahl always needs to be viewed with that in mind.

Red Lightning killing Wahl is not an amazing feat when you remember that he almost killed Ajeel with a nameless nuke. The only thing saving Wahl in that fight was his Weakness Magic, Red Lightning only worked because Weakness Magic couldn't analyse it and prepare defences, if it could we have no reason to believe it would have hurt Wahl - basically, Red Lightning killing Wahl doesn't prove its his best spell, it was just the one spell that could actually trick Wahl's Magic.

With the above being said, Kyria surviving Laxus' Secret Art is a solid durability feat. Proves she's far, far more durable than Spriggans like Ajeel.

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Macro just failed to control fodder, Lisanna confirms it.

I'm not interested in how great Seilah is at using Macro.

Mira's Macro has failed against fodder. Why should I believe it will affect Kyria?

Jacob was riddled with PIS in that fight. He also already proved he can Transport those above Mira's tier when he caught Brandish with it.

The only person she transformed into mouse was Hisui, a relative fodder to the likes of Erza.

So yes, I would say that Irene can't turn Erza into a mouse during a fight.

She has shown defensive capabilities, as shown by her cutting Aquametria, consistently blocking Erza's attacks, and dodging Wendy/Carla:

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Also though Erza's Flame Empress' Soaring Flame Blade hurt Kyria, she was still more than ready to fight once she hit the ground:

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Absolute crap.

Tempesta was getting stomped and had to kill himself. He even lost to a greatly weakened Laxus at the end of Tartaros during their anime-only rematch.

Also trying to equate Tartaros Laxus and Current Laxus is a poor argument. Current Laxus would completely stomp Jura, who gave Laxus an extreme-diff match in GMG. They are completely different beasts. Kyria would beat Tartaros Laxus, likely with ease.

Again, I don't get why you're trying to bring back how Laxus hyped GMG Mira. GMG Mira herself said Jura would beat her and Erza together. Jura gave GMG/Tartaros Laxus an extreme-diff match. Jura is now fodder compared to Laxus.

The power scale has changed far too drastically to rely on hype from pre-Alvarez.

If you want to make me think Mira > Kyria prove it by relevant feats and hype that wasn't from before Avatar.

Laxus had literally been bedridden for the entire arc because of MBPs, this is a point in Laxus' favour not Tempester's.

Mira has improved. To the point that she had to go all out to quickly defeat two Spriggan subordinates. While I'm not saying Alegria is weak, all we know about it is that it can one-shot foes on the level of J/H and that even doing that drained Mira of a lot of MP.

If defeating J/H with Alegria genuinely takes Mira a lot of Magic I don't see how its all that impressive. J/H didn't use Magic that was particularly impressive, nor did they seem to be particularly threatening from a physical aspect. On the other hand Kyria is a Dragon Slayer, one physically able to compete with Erza and powerful enough to nearly one-shot Lucy and Wendy with a casual roar.

So far I just don't think anything you've shown or said is putting Mira above Kyria.

There's a clear difference between you claiming Wahl could one-shot Laxus and August saying Ajeel would have died had he been hit by Laxus' nuke.

My boy, what he used against Kyria was a Secret Art:

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Oh I didn’t see that translation on utube

 

[Ebony Maw]

Oh I didn’t see that on translation on utube

Its the one that came out on Sorcerer Weekly. We're probs going to have to wait for an official translation to be sure.

 

[Jko]

As I said earlier, Machias are super weak to electric so Red Lightning killing Wahl always needs to be viewed with that in mind.

Red Lightning killing Wahl is not an amazing feat when you remember that he almost killed Ajeel with a nameless nuke. The only thing saving Wahl in that fight was his Weakness Magic, Red Lightning only worked because Weakness Magic couldn't analyse it and prepare defences, if it could we have no reason to believe it would have hurt Wahl - basically, Red Lightning killing Wahl doesn't prove its his best spell, it was just the one spell that could actually trick Wahl's Magic.

With the above being said, Kyria surviving Laxus' Secret Art is a solid durability feat. Proves she's far, far more durable than Spriggans like Ajeel.

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Macro just failed to control fodder, Lisanna confirms it.

I'm not interested in how great Seilah is at using Macro.

Mira's Macro has failed against fodder. Why should I believe it will affect Kyria?

Jacob was riddled with PIS in that fight. He also already proved he can Transport those above Mira's tier when he caught Brandish with it.

The only person she transformed into mouse was Hisui, a relative fodder to the likes of Erza.

So yes, I would say that Irene can't turn Erza into a mouse during a fight.

She has shown defensive capabilities, as shown by her cutting Aquametria, consistently blocking Erza's attacks, and dodging Wendy/Carla:

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Also though Erza's Flame Empress' Soaring Flame Blade hurt Kyria, she was still more than ready to fight once she hit the ground:

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Absolute crap.

Tempesta was getting stomped and had to kill himself. He even lost to a greatly weakened Laxus at the end of Tartaros during their anime-only rematch.

Also trying to equate Tartaros Laxus and Current Laxus is a poor argument. Current Laxus would completely stomp Jura, who gave Laxus an extreme-diff match in GMG. They are completely different beasts. Kyria would beat Tartaros Laxus, likely with ease.

Again, I don't get why you're trying to bring back how Laxus hyped GMG Mira. GMG Mira herself said Jura would beat her and Erza together. Jura gave GMG/Tartaros Laxus an extreme-diff match. Jura is now fodder compared to Laxus.

The power scale has changed far too drastically to rely on hype from pre-Alvarez.

If you want to make me think Mira > Kyria prove it by relevant feats and hype that wasn't from before Avatar.

Laxus had literally been bedridden for the entire arc because of MBPs, this is a point in Laxus' favour not Tempester's.

Mira has improved. To the point that she had to go all out to quickly defeat two Spriggan subordinates. While I'm not saying Alegria is weak, all we know about it is that it can one-shot foes on the level of J/H and that even doing that drained Mira of a lot of MP.

If defeating J/H with Alegria genuinely takes Mira a lot of Magic I don't see how its all that impressive. J/H didn't use Magic that was particularly impressive, nor did they seem to be particularly threatening from a physical aspect. On the other hand Kyria is a Dragon Slayer, one physically able to compete with Erza and powerful enough to nearly one-shot Lucy and Wendy with a casual roar.

So far I just don't think anything you've shown or said is putting Mira above Kyria.

There's a clear difference between you claiming Wahl could one-shot Laxus and August saying Ajeel would have died had he been hit by Laxus' nuke.

My boy, what he used against Kyria was a Secret Art:

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And we have yet to see Laxus oneshot any Ajeel caliber opponent casually. His feats has not backed up that statement, but actually reinforce Ajeel's statements.

Laxus forgot that's a secret art as well lol.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Erza's level of bullshit would be if Laxus was affected by hypnosis and then he got through with it because of nakama.

now THAT would be bullshit.

still, Kiria was expected to get wrekted since she met Laxus.

 

[Ebony Maw]

And we have yet to see Laxus oneshot any Ajeel caliber opponent casually. His feats has not backed up that statement, but actually reinforce Ajeel's statements.

How does August's statement reinforce Ajeel's? August basically says Ajeel would have died and his only reply is that August is going senile.

Am I thinking of the wrong statements?

Laxus forgot that's a secret art as well lol.

Cries in Sting

Everyone but Natsu seems to have forgotten that the Secret Art is part of the spell name lol.

 

[Demon Hunter]

as for Laxus vs Ajeel, Laxus didn't even want to fight Ajeel. he dropped the nuke just so they can eat the supper LoL.

if you believe that nuke wouldn't kill him then it would severely injury him.

now if Laxus was hellbent on killing Ajeel then he would have been dead with one attack.

 

[Jko]

Except that laxus have proven to be a powerful adversary and time and time again he has proven it I don’t why U think a canon fodder like kyria would made a difference when she couldn’t beat erza. 2. I didn’t like the speech myself it would have just been simple if hiro just said that Laxus Mp>kyria mp

3. August confirm it I mean why else would make that statement.What face did he make? that was the face of him suffering from cancer. And the fight vs wall was-basically the same with tempster round 2

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Oh I didn’t see that on translation on utube

Dude I'm having a hard time what you're saying? Canon fodder Kyria? Couldn't beat Erza? Ehat does this have anything to with Erza. His explanation was pure bs. It was an Erza level moment of sheer stupidity. He broke out bcs he's weak at heart? Like tf? MP broke it wouldn't have made sense either as hax has never been outpowered by MP in the show which is why we got the bs explanation. If Erza did this people would be flipping out and trashing the chapter but when Laxus does it, it's brushed under the rug.

And Ajeel replied back that he wasn't. His statement is only reinforced when Laxus has never casually oneshotted a person of his caliber. No, cancer didn't kick until the last panel. He was making the same face as Ajeel and even Jura against Sema when that nuke went off. He wasn't effected by cancer till the 2nf half of the fight and when Wall recharged him so it wasn't like Tempester R2.

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How does August's statement reinforce Ajeel's? August basically says Ajeel would have died and his only reply is that August is going senile.

Am I thinking of the wrong statements?

Cries in Sting

Everyone but Natsu seems to have forgotten that the Secret Art is part of the spell name lol.

No, I meant feats reinforce Ajeel's statements. Laxus couldn't even casually oneshot Kyria so someone who is >= shouldn't be casually oneshotted by him either.

Yep, Gajeel forgot Iron Karma Demon Sword was also his Secret art as well. Now that I think about it, Wendy has not use Sky Drill since Tartarus. That's a shame bcs the spell was one of her cooler spells.

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as for Laxus vs Ajeel, Laxus didn't even want to fight Ajeel. he dropped the nuke just so they can eat the supper LoL.

if you believe that nuke wouldn't kill him then it would severely injury him.

now if Laxus was hellbent on killing Ajeel then he would have been dead with one attack.

Never said it wouldn't injure him. Just said he couldn't casually oneshot.

 

[Axiomus]

Never oneshotted Ajeel, can't give feats to things that never happened. If so, I could just say Wall could have oneshotted Laxus. Ajeel fodderized Erza by just grabbing her which is more impressive than what Kyria has done.

Merc with no magic wasn't impressive.

She hasn't even attacked Madmole and can't hit Skullion bcs of inang lol. Kyria didn't have that trouble against Laxus.

That statement implies Mira has fought Laxus before and reinforces his statement of Mira being someone not to mess with.

KO-ing a tired Lucy is not impressive. Anyone above Wendy could oneshot her. Freaking Acno didn't KO Wendy so does that make Kyria automatically more impressive than Acno? Hell no.

Would have oneshotted Ajeel in August's opinion then. The only thing that Wall had that could oneshot Laxus was his etherion, which he used towards the end of the fight after changing modes, as a finisher. Everything else has been tanked. Kyria cutting away Erza's strength and submitting her is more impressive than Ajeel grabbing Erza.

Mercphobia had his magic power. He simply did not have control over it. Even if you argue that he was at half strength, he still had enough magic power to split the oceans.

Ok. Erza and Mystogan have fought with Laxus before. It didn't really amount to much. They could easily tell you that Kamika's lightning is no match for Laxus' either. In fact, anyone participating during the GMG can probably tell you that after watching Laxus blow through Raven Tail. They could probably tell you that Orga's lightning is better than Kamika's too. Heck, they would probably even tell you that Rufus' night of falling stars is better than Kamika's lightning too. Kamika is straight fodder. Not just her, but her entire group is fodder. I don't even remember the name of the group or their leader. I just remember Kamika because for some reason her name is the only name from that group that gets brought up. Laxus' statement about not messing with Mirajane is nice and all. But Mirajane considers Jura someone that herself and Erza combined would not beat, and Laxus actually beat him.

When did Lucy say she was tired? All Lucy did was transform everyone into fish and back. By the time she fought Kyria, she was using her star dresses and fighting. She then later went on to fight against Mercphobia.

Acnologia was toying around with Wendy and the dragon slayers. He didn't do much except kick them around and monologue. If he wanted to, he could have ripped Wendy's guts out like he did to God Serena.

 

[Ramen]

Except Erza was trashed in one hit by Irene's slap

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I don't hate Laxus, I just don't wank him like some Laxus fans. Look at the latest chapter, people basically kissed the man's feet for pulling Erza level bullshit and they turned a blind eye bcs he's Laxus.

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Y'all act like Laxus smashed Ajeel and then dropped that nuke lol.

Context matters. As I said, I could just say Laxus would've been oneshotted by Wall's attack based off his face alone.

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August saying that he would've died is a reliable source.

The fact that August had to intervene proves otherwise

 

[LaGOAT]

Dude I'm having a hard time what you're saying? Canon fodder Kyria? Couldn't beat Erza? Ehat does this have anything to with Erza. His explanation was pure bs. It was an Erza level moment of sheer stupidity. He broke out bcs he's weak at heart? Like tf? MP broke it wouldn't have made sense either as hax has never been outpowered by MP in the show which is why we got the bs explanation. If Erza did this people would be flipping out and trashing the chapter but when Laxus does it, it's brushed under the rug.

And Ajeel replied back that he wasn't. His statement is only reinforced when Laxus has never casually oneshotted a person of his caliber. No, cancer didn't kick until the last panel. He was making the same face as Ajeel and even Jura against Sema when that nuke went off. He wasn't effected by cancer till the 2nf half of the fight and when Wall recharged him so it wasn't like Tempester R2.

canon fodder kyria its a joke i use that when its obvious when an opponent stood no chance from the start. u believe that kyria had a chance to beat laxus (lol i dont know why) my point was if she couldnt beat an weak opponent (erza) why do u think she had a chance to beat laxus. round 1 of the fight should been the indication. ok fair enough well laxus has proven to break through illusions be4 so again it would make a difference. laxus has never had erza level BS stop tweakin

well ajeel is less vaild since he lost to lisanna and elfman. ajeel is one of the weakest sprrigan from the 12. thats like saying since jellal oneshot neinhart that means laxus couldnt do the same? wall and ajeel are not on the same level. and even if he couldnt kill ajeel he would been severly injured till a oneshot

bro i know u read manga for a long time the face was when the cancer kicked in that wasnr from the blast if ur confused here the anime clip
skip to 2:49
u just prove my point the reason why wahl was able to get those mutilple hits was because the cancer got worse... i mean he wasnt able to do that prior to the fight.

how isnt not the same? both time laxus till had the mbp recharging him doesnt get rid of the cancer or else he wouldnt be on the floor cuffing blood

@Ebony Maw let me know when the official translations come out

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

As I said earlier, Machias are super weak to electric so Red Lightning killing Wahl always needs to be viewed with that in mind.

Red Lightning killing Wahl is not an amazing feat when you remember that he almost killed Ajeel with a nameless nuke. The only thing saving Wahl in that fight was his Weakness Magic, Red Lightning only worked because Weakness Magic couldn't analyse it and prepare defences, if it could we have no reason to believe it would have hurt Wahl - basically, Red Lightning killing Wahl doesn't prove its his best spell, it was just the one spell that could actually trick Wahl's Magic.

With the above being said, Kyria surviving Laxus' Secret Art is a solid durability feat. Proves she's far, far more durable than Spriggans like Ajeel.

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Macro just failed to control fodder, Lisanna confirms it.

I'm not interested in how great Seilah is at using Macro.

Mira's Macro has failed against fodder. Why should I believe it will affect Kyria?

Jacob was riddled with PIS in that fight. He also already proved he can Transport those above Mira's tier when he caught Brandish with it.

The only person she transformed into mouse was Hisui, a relative fodder to the likes of Erza.

So yes, I would say that Irene can't turn Erza into a mouse during a fight.

She has shown defensive capabilities, as shown by her cutting Aquametria, consistently blocking Erza's attacks, and dodging Wendy/Carla:

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Also though Erza's Flame Empress' Soaring Flame Blade hurt Kyria, she was still more than ready to fight once she hit the ground:

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Absolute crap.

Tempesta was getting stomped and had to kill himself. He even lost to a greatly weakened Laxus at the end of Tartaros during their anime-only rematch.

Also trying to equate Tartaros Laxus and Current Laxus is a poor argument. Current Laxus would completely stomp Jura, who gave Laxus an extreme-diff match in GMG. They are completely different beasts. Kyria would beat Tartaros Laxus, likely with ease.

Again, I don't get why you're trying to bring back how Laxus hyped GMG Mira. GMG Mira herself said Jura would beat her and Erza together. Jura gave GMG/Tartaros Laxus an extreme-diff match. Jura is now fodder compared to Laxus.

The power scale has changed far too drastically to rely on hype from pre-Alvarez.

If you want to make me think Mira > Kyria prove it by relevant feats and hype that wasn't from before Avatar.

Laxus had literally been bedridden for the entire arc because of MBPs, this is a point in Laxus' favour not Tempester's.

Mira has improved. To the point that she had to go all out to quickly defeat two Spriggan subordinates. While I'm not saying Alegria is weak, all we know about it is that it can one-shot foes on the level of J/H and that even doing that drained Mira of a lot of MP.

If defeating J/H with Alegria genuinely takes Mira a lot of Magic I don't see how its all that impressive. J/H didn't use Magic that was particularly impressive, nor did they seem to be particularly threatening from a physical aspect. On the other hand Kyria is a Dragon Slayer, one physically able to compete with Erza and powerful enough to nearly one-shot Lucy and Wendy with a casual roar.

So far I just don't think anything you've shown or said is putting Mira above Kyria.

There's a clear difference between you claiming Wahl could one-shot Laxus and August saying Ajeel would have died had he been hit by Laxus' nuke.

My boy, what he used against Kyria was a Secret Art:

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Still Red lightning is his best spell so far. If it was not described as "the lighting that goes beyond lightning "then i will believe in what your talking.

If Jacob didnt use the "transport" against Mirajane then he cant not use it according to your reasoning. Using his transport is easier than torturing his self with Mirajane seductive body. They are in war remember? And they have to win no matter what.

J & H were both swords that were enchanted. Meaning Irene can only control them not anyone else. Not even macro can cancel the enchantment. Or you beat them by force to the point that it will cancel the enchantment.

Well the last time i check Nakagami armor also use vast amount of magic am i right? She use it against Minerva only.

Even if Kyria commit a suicide she will not scratch Laxus. Tempesta has better showing than her.

But still everyone who see Mirajane were cast to Sleep. They are just so many. And they have Wall bot who can exploite weaknesses. So there you have.

Kyria one shotting lucy who basically has low MP and Wendy who was not using her dragon force was not impressive at all.

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Would have oneshotted Ajeel in August's opinion then. The only thing that Wall had that could oneshot Laxus was his etherion, which he used towards the end of the fight after changing modes, as a finisher. Everything else has been tanked. Kyria cutting away Erza's strength and submitting her is more impressive than Ajeel grabbing Erza.

Mercphobia had his magic power. He simply did not have control over it. Even if you argue that he was at half strength, he still had enough magic power to split the oceans.

Ok. Erza and Mystogan have fought with Laxus before. It didn't really amount to much. They could easily tell you that Kamika's lightning is no match for Laxus' either. In fact, anyone participating during the GMG can probably tell you that after watching Laxus blow through Raven Tail. They could probably tell you that Orga's lightning is better than Kamika's too. Heck, they would probably even tell you that Rufus' night of falling stars is better than Kamika's lightning too. Kamika is straight fodder. Not just her, but her entire group is fodder. I don't even remember the name of the group or their leader. I just remember Kamika because for some reason her name is the only name from that group that gets brought up. Laxus' statement about not messing with Mirajane is nice and all. But Mirajane considers Jura someone that herself and Erza combined would not beat, and Laxus actually beat him.

When did Lucy say she was tired? All Lucy did was transform everyone into fish and back. By the time she fought Kyria, she was using her star dresses and fighting. She then later went on to fight against Mercphobia.

Acnologia was toying around with Wendy and the dragon slayers. He didn't do much except kick them around and monologue. If he wanted to, he could have ripped Wendy's guts out like he did to God Serena.

Can we say that Mirajane was being generous enough? Since Jura is still part of wizard saint. The only thing that she was not sure. Meaning shes only 50/50 about beating Jura at that time.

 

[Jko]

August saying that he would've died is a reliable source.

The fact that August had to intervene proves otherwise

And feats prove otherwise. I have yet to see him oneshot Ajeel tier.

canon fodder kyria its a joke i use that when its obvious when an opponent stood no chance from the start. u believe that kyria have a chance to beat laxus (lol i dont know why) my point was if she couldnt beat an weak opponent (erza) why do u think she had a chance to beat laxus. round 1 of the fight should been the indication. ok fair enough well laxus has proven to break through illusions be4 so again it would make a difference. laxus has never had erza level BS stop tweakin

well ajeel is less vaild since he lost to lisanna and elfman. ajeel is one of the weakest sprrigan from the 12. thats like saying since jellal oneshot neinhart that means laxus couldnt do the same? wall and ajeel are not on the same level. and even if he couldnt kill ajeel he would been severly injured aka till a oneshot

bro i know u read manga for a long time the face was when the cancer kicked in that wasnr from the blast if ur confused here the anime clip
skip to 2:49
u just prove my point the reason why wahl was able to get those mutilple hits was because the cancer got worse... i mean he wasnt able to do that prior to the fight.

how isnt not the same? both time laxus till had the mbp recharging him doesnt get rid of the cancer or else he wouldnt be on the floor cuffing blood

That was Erza level bs. Him breaking through illusions had nothing to do with him breaking hypnosis lol. If it had I would've been fine, but it wasn't it was bcs his heart was weak (that's wack).

Bro, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking of the face he makes as soon as it explodes.

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Similar faces Ajeel made.

Neinheart is physically weak and he oneshotted Jellal via his magic lol. Nah, Larcade and Neinheart are weaker. Ajeel's range with his magic is insane and the attacks he can produce are way bigger than Neinheart or Larcade. Wall's not that much stronger than Ajeel either lol.

Bcs he just got hit with MCBs and pushing through that while in the Wall fight the MCB particles were only effected in specific moments.

 

[Demon Hunter]

he didn't break through hypnosis ffs.

 

[Jko]

Would have oneshotted Ajeel in August's opinion then. The only thing that Wall had that could oneshot Laxus was his etherion, which he used towards the end of the fight after changing modes, as a finisher. Everything else has been tanked. Kyria cutting away Erza's strength and submitting her is more impressive than Ajeel grabbing Erza.

Mercphobia had his magic power. He simply did not have control over it. Even if you argue that he was at half strength, he still had enough magic power to split the oceans.

Ok. Erza and Mystogan have fought with Laxus before. It didn't really amount to much. They could easily tell you that Kamika's lightning is no match for Laxus' either. In fact, anyone participating during the GMG can probably tell you that after watching Laxus blow through Raven Tail. They could probably tell you that Orga's lightning is better than Kamika's too. Heck, they would probably even tell you that Rufus' night of falling stars is better than Kamika's lightning too. Kamika is straight fodder. Not just her, but her entire group is fodder. I don't even remember the name of the group or their leader. I just remember Kamika because for some reason her name is the only name from that group that gets brought up. Laxus' statement about not messing with Mirajane is nice and all. But Mirajane considers Jura someone that herself and Erza combined would not beat, and Laxus actually beat him.

When did Lucy say she was tired? All Lucy did was transform everyone into fish and back. By the time she fought Kyria, she was using her star dresses and fighting. She then later went on to fight against Mercphobia.

Acnologia was toying around with Wendy and the dragon slayers. He didn't do much except kick them around and monologue. If he wanted to, he could have ripped Wendy's guts out like he did to God Serena.

He didn't tank Wall's fireball and yeah, Etherion is the only thing that can oneshot but I am saying it can be said Laxus would've Insta-KO bcs his face was similar to Ajeel's. Except it isn't as Ajeel's can't be overcome bcs you have a weak heart lol. His fight also had a lasting effects and made her weaker than her BoS version for an entire day. Not to mention is Sand World is a broken ability.

C'mon, Merc was nowhere at full power and the DE even said so. They beat up not even a shell of a Dragon God. Yeah, but that split would be put at a showing a lot of FT members could do. It's not a crazy feat imo.

I would just call it a one off statement that really didn't mean anything if Laxus didn't back her PL. They must've had a go at it before to make Laxus respect her power like that. Mira only considered that bcs Erza was Tenrou Erza until Second Origin. She didn't know how powerful Erza truly was. (We saw the huge jump in power with Second Origin (Natsu was able to oneshot Max who was Tenrou Natsu level)).So she made that statement bcs Erza was much weaker than her actual power level. Plus Mira is modest as heck about her own power while Laxus doesn't like to mince words and will give to you straight. (Group was far from fodder in the x791 era since they had some formidable hax. As a group I would've placed them above GMG Rajinshuu.)

Transforming everyone made Lucy magically exhausted and she couldn't even transform Wendy back.

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The 2nd round only takes place two hours later which isn't sufficient time to get her mp back. She didn't even utilize mix dress or summon a spirit either which shows how spent on magic she was.

Do you not think anyone massively above Wendy couldn't? I hardly count Wendy getting oneshotted as a big feat bcs anyone several tiers above her should logically be able to do it.

 

[Axiomus]

He didn't tank Wall's fireball and yeah, Etherion is the only thing that can oneshot but I am saying it can be said Laxus would've Insta-KO bcs his face was similar to Ajeel's. Except it isn't as Ajeel's can't be overcome bcs you have a weak heart lol. His fight also had a lasting effects and made her weaker than her BoS version for an entire day. Not to mention is Sand World is a broken ability.

C'mon, Merc was nowhere at full power and the DE even said so. They beat up not even a shell of a Dragon God. Yeah, but that split would be put at a showing a lot of FT members could do. It's not a crazy feat imo.

I would just call it a one off statement that really didn't mean anything if Laxus didn't back her PL. They must've had a go at it before to make Laxus respect her power like that. Mira only considered that bcs Erza was Tenrou Erza until Second Origin. She didn't know how powerful Erza truly was. (We saw the huge jump in power with Second Origin (Natsu was able to oneshot Max who was Tenrou Natsu level)).So she made that statement bcs Erza was much weaker than her actual power level. Plus Mira is modest as heck about her own power while Laxus doesn't like to mince words and will give to you straight. (Group was far from fodder in the x791 era since they had some formidable hax. As a group I would've placed them above GMG Rajinshuu.)

Transforming everyone made Lucy magically exhausted and she couldn't even transform Wendy back.

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The 2nd round only takes place two hours later which isn't sufficient time to get her mp back. She didn't even utilize mix dress or summon a spirit either which shows how spent on magic she was.

Do you not think anyone massively above Wendy couldn't? I hardly count Wendy getting oneshotted as a big feat bcs anyone several tiers above her should logically be able to do it.

He didn't have to. Wall missed. That attack was never going to oneshot him. The fireball was also mid-way through the fight. The difference between Laxus' nuke and Wall's fireball is that August had to intervene to save Ajeel...and Laxus had to do absolutely nothing because Wall couldn't aim. Also the reason we say Laxus' nuke was going to kill Ajeel wasn't because of Ajeel's facial expression. It's because August thought it was going to kill Ajeel, and I trust August' opinion. Nobody in verse thought that Wall was going to kill Laxus except Wall.

Even if Mercphobia wasn't at full power, he would have still dwarfed the powers of anyone else. Half the strength of Acnologia is still many magnitudes greater than anyone else's. Being able to cut up Mercphobia is still impressive. Beyond that, Kyria's attacks have still managed to cut Natsu, Erza, Gray's ice, Lucy, and Wendy. Laxus being completely unscratched by Kyria would be the exception, not the rule.

Erza without her second origin was still on Mirajane's level, and Mirajane thought that Jura was stronger than both herself and Erza combined. Laxus beat Jura. This right here tells us there's a massive gap between GMG Laxus and Mirajane. Erza may have closed the gap with second origin, but Mirajane is not Erza. The group that Kamika belonged to was fodder incarnate, even during the GMG arc. They all got stomped, and then future Rogue oneshotted them all casually. Jura or Laxus would rip them apart.

Of course oneshotting Wendy isn't some end-all-be-all feat. Actually oneshotting Wendy is still more impressive than not oneshotting her.

 

[Seven777]

It was two hours, that's not enough time to replenish magic to even above half capacity. Lucy said she couldn't turn back Wendy bcs she ran too low on magic so she was only able to release Erza, Gray and Natsu (they never released themselves from Lucy's spell). She couldn't even use mix dress and didn't even summon one spirit lol. She was def not running at full capacity.

No, it doesn't. If they got blasted then would've been in the crater lol. They got hit by the backlash of it, both times.

On the other hand it was two hours, more than enough time to replenish magic to double capacity.
Lucy said that ages ago, back when they were still running around investigating. Erza, Gray and Wendy were separated from Lucy, Erza and Gray turned themselves back, Natsu was turned back by Lucy, Wendy was forgotten about. She used Aqua Metria and used two Star Dresses with no hint of exhaustion, for all you know she could have been already been at full capacity by this point, let alone two hours later.

No, they got nailed both times. Why would Dimaria attack them with backlash lol? They didn't dodge the attacks, if backlash is what hit them then that means Dimaria missed twice in a row, ridiculous. In any case Kyria's offense is significantly more impressive than either Jacob or Dimaria.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

If Jacob didnt use the "transport" against Mirajane then he cant not use it according to your reasoning. Using his transport is easier than torturing his self with Mirajane seductive body. They are in war remember? And they have to win no matter what.

Are you implying Jacob used Transport on MIrajane?

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Are you implying Jacob used Transport on MIrajane?

sorry for the confusion. Im not good with english. What im trying to say is not because Jacob was not able to use his "Transport" against Mirajane then it will not work against her.

Because some if not most, believe that Macro is ineffective against J & H. Or someone on higher caliber. Because Mirajane did not use it against them and went directly to Alegria.

When in fact it was used by Seilah againt tartaros erza +neo minerva+ 4 exceeds simultaneously.

Or because Mirajane used it only on 30 soldiers. Even Seilah has not shown that she was capable of macroing on more than 30 people at the same time.

 

[Axiomus]

Can we say that Mirajane was being generous enough? Since Jura is still part of wizard saint. The only thing that she was not sure. Meaning shes only 50/50 about beating Jura at that time.

Sure. Still doesn't change the fact that her assessment included Erza in the mix. So Mirajane wasn't 50/50 on being able to beat Jura by herself. She was 50/50 on being able to beat Jura while teaming up with someone just as strong as her. Laxus is 100% certain on beating Jura by himself. They're simply on different levels.