Fantasy Mirajane vs Laxus

[Ronin31]

In the near future, those three put together will not rival him

Rivaling three fodders isn't equal to the Acnologia level

You think Mashima will ever write Laxus to be no diff from an opponent or low diff. I'd love to see that.

And you think Mashima will put Laxus stronger than the "three fodders" ? I'd love to see that as well.

Laxus and Erza were matched. Eileen is stronger than Erza. Mirajane is also very strong.
How can you portraye the three women as fodders ?

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

And you think Mashima will put Laxus stronger than the "three fodders" ? I'd love to see that as well.

I was joking.

Laxus and Erza were matched. Eileen is stronger than Erza. Mirajane is also very strong.

Eileen stronger than Erza = Laxus getting one-shotted or low diffed?

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Only Mashima knows how power levels work. FT has no consistent level of power. Erza POF during Alvarez could be weaker than current Erza. Otherwise, I can say POF Tartoros Erza stronger than the one that fought Ajeel. He still believes Gajeel can rival Natsu so anything is possible. Not to downplay Irene. I genuinely believe she can beat Laxus. But it ain't gonna be a one-shot or low/no diff Laxus like people claim. Minimum it's gonna be a medium to high diff fight.

 

[Ronin31]

I was joking.

Eileen stronger than Erza = Laxus getting one-shotted or low diffed?

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Only Mashima knows how power levels work. FT has no consistent level of power. Erza POF during Alvarez could be weaker than current Erza. Otherwise, I can say POF Tartoros Erza stronger than the one that fought Ajeel. He still believes Gajeel can rival Natsu so anything is possible. Not to downplay Irene. I genuinely believe she can beat Laxus. But it ain't gonna be a one-shot or low/no diff Laxus like people claim. Minimum it's gonna be a medium to high diff fight.

No, I do not see Eileen low diff Laxus, but I still see her on another tier for now.

Yes, I agree with that. FT has no consistent level of power. But I do not think Erza PoF during Arbaless could be weaker than current Erza.
Saying that PoF Tartaros Erza was stronger than the one that fought Ajeel sounds, to me, that PoF Arbaless Erza was stronger than the one who fought Laxus. Both time, she was at her climax. Surely, 100YQ PoF Erza should be stronger than current Erza. It's only my opinion and I respect if you don't agree.

Yes, Eileen held back at the end. But at the beginning, she could kill Erza and Wendy as the gap was very high. Eileen was toying, until enrage against her own failure to possess Wendy. And to protect Wendy, Erza was stronger than before (when she was supported by Wendy). During the climax of the fight, yes, Eileen lost control and wanted to kill her, and Erza's PoF skyrocket to the point she could destroy the meteor and slash the scales. For seconds, her power rised to Eileen's, perhaps above. But this Erza can't be compare to the one who fought Ajeel or even Erza's teaming up with Wendy at the beginning vs Eileen. But this power can be used only for seconds.

The fact is, for me, Laxus, Erza, Eileen and Mirajane are very strong wizards. So yes, I didn't understood that you mocked me and I apologize.
I only think what we had to not underestimate women as well. Laxus is a beast and agree with that, but still Erza, Eileen and Mirajane are.
Laxus is more destructive and reckless with opponent. Erza act like weak at the beginning to grow stronger during the encounter.
I like them both and if you know Marvel, I see them like Thor and Hulk.

 

[Ramen]

This thread in a nutshell:

 

[Axiomus]

Laxus was stronger than Erza until second origin doubled her MP reserves. Mirajane is no Erza to begin with. She had to train for 3 months just to recover usage of Sitri, which finally puts her back on equal footing with Armadura Fairy.

 

[Jko]

Laxus was stronger than Erza until second origin doubled her MP reserves. Mirajane is no Erza to begin with. She had to train for 3 months just to recover usage of Sitri, which finally puts her back on equal footing with Armadura Fairy.

Mira was keeping up with Erza tier enemies in BSS and magically exhausted in x784 . You really trying to say x791 Mira was only Tenrou Erza level despite numerous feats that say otherwise? Even Post x791 Lucy has better feats than x784 Laxus who should have been >= x784 Erza.

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PoF Gildarts <<<<< PoF Erza. Who got fodderized by Base Acno, and who swatted the powered up Dragon out of the sky? Irene by feats would fodderize Laxus. Irene's best feats are better than August and her worst feats are not as bad as August.

Hyping up August yet downplaying Irene who was already stated to rival him in only human form....

 

[Axiomus]

Mira was keeping up with Erza tier enemies in BSS and magically exhausted in x784 . You really trying to say x791 Mira was only Tenrou Erza level despite numerous feats that say otherwise? Even Post x791 Lucy has better feats than x784 Laxus who should have been >= x784 Erza.

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PoF Gildarts <<<<< PoF Erza. Who got fodderized by Base Acno, and who swatted the powered up Dragon out of the sky? Irene by feats would fodderize Laxus. Irene's best feats are better than August and her worst feats are not as bad as August.

Hyping up August yet downplaying Irene who was already stated to rival him in only human form....

Mirajane flat out admitted that she couldn't beat Azuma, whom Erza beat. Name me one thing X791 Mirajane can do that Tenrou Erza couldn't.

X791 Lucy doesn't have better feats than X784 Laxus. There's only like 3 months of difference between Tenrou and GMG, and 2 weeks between GMG and Tartaros. Laxus was always around the ballpark of X791 Jura tier.

Moving Acnologia is something the Christina airship can do. If Acno hits Erza, she's dead too. Though I agree that Irene is on August's level.

 

[Jko]

Mirajane flat out admitted that she couldn't beat Azuma, whom Erza beat. Name me one thing X791 Mirajane can do that Tenrou Erza couldn't.

X791 Lucy doesn't have better feats than X784 Laxus. There's only like 3 months of difference between Tenrou and GMG, and 2 weeks between GMG and Tartaros. Laxus was always around the ballpark of X791 Jura tier.

Moving Acnologia is something the Christina airship can do. If Acno hits Erza, she's dead too. Though I agree that Irene is on August's level.

Erza beat him while being amped by the Trees magic. Mira was weakened and still had a 50/50 chance in beating. A full power Mira is no doubt stronger than Azuma which is why she was weakened. Not only that but Mira did better prior to the tree boost than Erza. She was barely tagged and most times she was was due to her being distracted. She also beat him down with just her fist and bloodied him up which is harder to do than just using a sword lol. Erza got her best attack stopped and was repeatedly tagged by Azuma while not being distracted. I'm not seeing how Erza is above Mira let alone vastly above Mira in x784.

x791 Lucy tanked Amateratsu 28 which pretty much downed x784 Laxus and oneshotted Jackal who gave Natsu a high diff battle. x791 Natsu > x784 Laxus. In 3 months Laxus became strong enough to oneshot his previous incarnation. Time had nothing to do with their power up. Laxus also was never around x791 Jura's park which is why Makarov was surprised by his growth rate. X791 versions are far stronger than their x784 versions. This was portrayed when Natsu oneshotted Max and even Wendy was far stronger than Max. Hell, the Tartarus fodder were able to 1v1 Max lol. The difference between PL is almost as big as the gap in the 1 year ts.

Moving Acnologia who is actively flying up is not something Christina can do and Acno was on instinct which means he was not playing around like he was against Christina. She also actively brought him down and he failed to get out of the attack as he was repeatedly get push down inch by inch with every sword attack. PoF Erza did something only Igneel or PoF Natsu could have done by feats in that era.

 

[Ratrace]

Mirajane flat out admitted that she couldn't beat Azuma, whom Erza beat. Name me one thing X791 Mirajane can do that Tenrou Erza couldn't.

X791 Lucy doesn't have better feats than X784 Laxus. There's only like 3 months of difference between Tenrou and GMG, and 2 weeks between GMG and Tartaros. Laxus was always around the ballpark of X791 Jura tier.

Moving Acnologia is something the Christina airship can do. If Acno hits Erza, she's dead too. Though I agree that Irene is on August's level.

Mirajane was also timed as well ,unless you think Erza can beat Azuma in the same amount of time

 

[Axiomus]

Erza beat him while being amped by the Trees magic. Mira was weakened and still had a 50/50 chance in beating. A full power Mira is no doubt stronger than Azuma which is why she was weakened. Not only that but Mira did better prior to the tree boost than Erza. She was barely tagged and most times she was was due to her being distracted. She also beat him down with just her fist and bloodied him up which is harder to do than just using a sword lol. Erza got her best attack stopped and was repeatedly tagged by Azuma while not being distracted. I'm not seeing how Erza is above Mira let alone vastly above Mira in x784.

x791 Lucy tanked Amateratsu 28 which pretty much downed x784 Laxus and oneshotted Jackal who gave Natsu a high diff battle. x791 Natsu > x784 Laxus. In 3 months Laxus became strong enough to oneshot his previous incarnation. Time had nothing to do with their power up. Laxus also was never around x791 Jura's park which is why Makarov was surprised by his growth rate. X791 versions are far stronger than their x784 versions. This was portrayed when Natsu oneshotted Max and even Wendy was far stronger than Max. Hell, the Tartarus fodder were able to 1v1 Max lol. The difference between PL is almost as big as the gap in the 1 year ts.

Moving Acnologia who is actively flying up is not something Christina can do and Acno was on instinct which means he was not playing around like he was against Christina. She also actively brought him down and he failed to get out of the attack as he was repeatedly get push down inch by inch with every sword attack. PoF Erza did something only Igneel or PoF Natsu could have done by feats in that era.

The Tenrou Tree didn't offer Erza anything that it didn't also give to Mirajane. It offers divine protection from death and a boost to magic power to everyone who has the mark. Mirajane had both these buffs the whole time she was on the island and was still outclassed by Azuma. When the tree fell down it stopped boosting everyone's magic, but it still provided Erza with protection from death. Azuma thought that he stopped that from happening, but he was wrong. That's all. Erza didn't hit him with the power of the Tenrou Tree. She just pushed through the blast and slashed him. By the way, the tree didn't start boosting Erza's MP during her fight either. That only started happening after Ultear restored it, towards the end of the fight with Hades.

Spoiler: Tenrou Tree's powers explained

Spoiler: Azuma noting that the tree was still protecting Erza

Spoiler: Tree only started boosting MP again once it was restored

Mirajane flat out admitted that she couldn't beat Azuma. She considered putting all her magic power into an attack, and then decided against it and then admitted to Lisanna that she doesn't have enough power to beat him. That doesn't imply she thought she had a 50/50 chance. It proves that she thought using the rest of her power in an all out attack wouldn't be enough.

Spoiler: I hate to say it, but...

And here's the kicker: Laxus didn't even have the mark. He had zero buffs from the tree. He took Hade's attack with no magic power, and without the tree's divine protection, and he still got back up to punch Hades in the face a few minutes later. His MP was also what made LFD Natsu so strong. Most of the MP that went into LFD roar came from him, and that attack probably would have beaten Hades if not for the devil's heart. Also, I don't buy that Laxus only gave Natsu his MP because he couldn't continue fighting. When Natsu asked why Laxus gave him his power even though he was stronger, the answer was simply that Laxus wanted someone from the guild to beat Hades. Later Laxus got back up to punch Hades in the face anyways. Had he kept his MP he could have lasted much longer.

Spoiler: Sheer scale of LFD roar

Spoiler: Laxus' reasoning for giving Natsu his power

Second origin widened the gap between Erza and Mirajane, while closing the gap between Laxus and Erza. Tartaros Erza can keep up with Kyouka's etherious form. Mirajane was oneshotted out of Sitri by Seilah. According to the Tartaros card stats, Kyouka outstats Seilah in every possible way. Limit Release reduces all her other stats to 1 in order to double her attack power. That's still lower than Kyouka's initial attack power, which continuously increases in her etherious form. The manga explains it as increasing for every second that passes.

Spoiler: Stat comparison

Spoiler: Kyouka's etherious form explained

Tartaros Lucy doesn't have better feats than Tenrou Laxus, unless you're counting the Spirit King's feats. Lucy didn't tank Amerterasu 28. She was wrecked by it. She didn't get back to her feet for the rest of the fight. Laxus punched Hades immediately after getting hit, transferred all of his MP to Natsu, took a bigger blast with zero MP, and then got back up to punch Hades later anyways. Laxus honestly outstats X791 base Natsu. He probably can't beat Jura without the 3 months training but he was always within Jura's tier.

Spoiler: Laxus immediately follows up to hit Hades

Spoiler: Natsu and Lucy look like they were in a car accident

Spoiler: Laxus gets back up to punch Hades in the face

Spoiler: Lucy is on her knees

Acno was flying when Christina pushed him into the time rift. I dont understand why flying up is more impressive than flying in any other direction. Moving Acnologia isn't necessarily all that impressive unless he was actively exerting strength to push back against you. You're basically just pushing a dragon of Acnologia's size otherwise. Either way, I think Gildarts can push as hard as the Christina airship, and move Acnologia. Just not if Acnologia blitzes him and bites off half his limbs....Which would fatally injure anyone.

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Mirajane was also timed as well ,unless you think Erza can beat Azuma in the same amount of time

I don't think Erza could defeat Azuma with a time limit. But I don't think Mirajane could defeat Azuma at all. She considered her chances using an all out attack, and came to the conclusion she wasn't strong enough.

 

[Ratrace]

The Tenrou Tree didn't offer Erza anything that it didn't also give to Mirajane. It offers divine protection from death and a boost to magic power to everyone who has the mark. Mirajane had both these buffs the whole time she was on the island and was still outclassed by Azuma. When the tree fell down it stopped boosting everyone's magic, but it still provided Erza with protection from death. Azuma thought that he stopped that from happening, but he was wrong. That's all. Erza didn't hit him with the power of the Tenrou Tree. She just pushed through the blast and slashed him. By the way, the tree didn't start boosting Erza's MP during her fight either. That only started happening after Ultear restored it, towards the end of the fight with Hades.

Spoiler: Tenrou Tree's powers explained

Spoiler: Azuma noting that the tree was still protecting Erza

Spoiler: Tree only started boosting MP again once it was restored

Mirajane flat out admitted that she couldn't beat Azuma. She considered putting all her magic power into an attack, and then decided against it and then admitted to Lisanna that she doesn't have enough power to beat him. That doesn't imply she thought she had a 50/50 chance. It proves that she thought using the rest of her power in an all out attack wouldn't be enough.

Spoiler: I hate to say it, but...

And here's the kicker: Laxus didn't even have the mark. He had zero buffs from the tree. He took Hade's attack with no magic power, and without the tree's divine protection, and he still got back up to punch Hades in the face a few minutes later. His MP was also what made LFD Natsu so strong. Most of the MP that went into LFD roar came from him, and that attack probably would have beaten Hades if not for the devil's heart. Also, I don't buy that Laxus only gave Natsu his MP because he couldn't continue fighting. When Natsu asked why Laxus gave him his power even though he was stronger, the answer was simply that Laxus wanted someone from the guild to beat Hades. Later Laxus got back up to punch Hades in the face anyways. Laxus probably could have kept fighting.

Spoiler: Sheer scale of LFD roar

Spoiler: Laxus' reasoning for giving Natsu his power

Second origin widened the gap between Erza and Mirajane, while closing the gap between Laxus and Erza. Tartaros Erza can keep up with Kyouka's etherious form. Mirajane was oneshotted out of Sitri by Seilah. According to the Tartaros card stats, Kyouka outstats Seilah in every possible way. Sitri reduces all her other stats to 1 in order to double her attack power. That's still lower than Kyouka's initial attack power, which continuously increases in her etherious form. The manga explains it as increasing for every second that passes.

Spoiler: Stat comparison

Spoiler: Kyouka's etherious form explained

Tartaros Lucy doesn't have better feats than Tenrou Laxus, unless you're counting the Spirit King's feats. Lucy didn't tank Amerterasu 28. She was wrecked by it. She didn't get back to her feet for the rest of the fight. Laxus punched Hades immediately after getting hit, transferred all of his MP to Natsu, took a bigger blast with zero MP, and then got back up to punch Hades later anyways. Laxus honestly outstats X791 base Natsu. It'd probably take Tartaros-arc Natsu dragon force to take down Tenrou Laxus. He probably can't beat Jura without the 3 months training but he was always within Jura's tier.

Spoiler: Laxus immediately follows up to hit Hades

Spoiler: Natsu and Lucy look like they were in a car accident

Spoiler: Laxus gets back up to punch Hades in the face

Spoiler: Lucy is on her knees

Christina pushed Acnologia into the time rift. Acno was flying. Moving Acnologia isn't necessarily all that impressive unless he was actively exerting strength to push back against you. You're basically just pushing a dragon of Acnologia's size otherwise. Either way, I think Gildarts can push as hard as the Christina airship, and move Acnologia. Just not if Acnologia blitzes him and bites off half his limbs....Which would fatally injure anyone.

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I don't think Erza could defeat Azuma with a time limit. But I don't think Mirajane could defeat Azuma at all. She considered her chances using an all out attack, and came to the conclusion she wasn't strong enough.

But could that also mean she wasn't strong enough to beat Azuma in that amount of time and not just because she wasn't strong enough

 

[Axiomus]

But could that also mean she wasn't strong enough to beat Azuma in that amount of time and not just because she wasn't strong enough

It means she isn't strong enough to beat him at all. She said that he was too strong. She's considered using ALL of her power in one attack as a last resort. Even if you remove the time limit, we're left with Mirajane admitting that an exhaustive attack wouldn't be enough to beat him.

Spoiler

 

[Ratrace]

It means she isn't strong enough to beat him at all. She said that he was too strong. She's considered using ALL of her power in one attack as a last resort. Even if you remove the time limit, we're left with Mirajane admitting that an exhaustive attack wouldn't be enough to beat him.

Spoiler

Because she needed to end it quickly and she wasn't strong enough to do that and she wasn't sure if it would work or not

 

[grey matter]

What is this berserker and friend BS? Stop trying to integrate your headcanons.

This is FF Laxus........he literally waged war. There is no friend.

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Ayo @grey matter remember when Mira said this about Jura and then Laxus beat him

Spoiler

Mira still got 2 votes . It wouldn't matter is she outright states that a guy who lost to Laxus, would not only defeat her, but solo her and Erza together, Even if someone disputes this statement as Mira overhyping or something, at the very least it means that Mira considers Jura at a level far superior to her.

She'd probably get same treatment from Laxus as Sayla gave her lmao

 

[Ronin31]

It wouldn't matter is she outright states that a guy who lost to Laxus, would not only defeat her, but solo her and Erza together, Even if someone disputes this statement as Mira overhyping or something, at the very least it means that Mira considers Jura at a level far superior to her.

Mira's statement could be wrong, like Mavis's predictions : they both didn't have all the datas.

Mavis said that she haven't got the answer of Jura's defeat as she couldn't see anyone having a chance. Laxus won.
Mavis said Grey couldn't have any chance against Rufus Hax. Grey won.
Nobody expected Natsu to take alone Sting + Rogue by himself without Gajeel's help. Natsu destroy them both in their strongest form.
Nobody was thinking that Erza didn't use her true power in GmG (Mira's statement is not base on her true stats). She released 2nde origin only by wrath to defeat Minerva.
Nobody expected Erza to take Pandemonium alone. She did it, without 2nde Origin.
Nobody expect someone to be above Jura's might on the MP Machine. Kana destroyed the Machine and Jura's score.

Still, Mira was aware of Erza's actual power. She was stronger than on Tenrô but still hiding 2nde Origin who grants huge power up. Mirajane was Erza's rival before the beginning of the Manga as, with trauma, freezed her progress as wizard. In GmG, Mirajane regained her true previous power : Sitry, her strongest form known by Erza. I can see this Sitry rivaling with Erza's Knight when they were equal,as Erza acknowledged this demon form. In the past, Erza didn't let out her armor for hakama pants and her magic was reduced as well by trauma (ToH).

With time, Erza has grown stronger while Mirajane stopped using magic. She was a powerful wizard, but with her level freezed in time, like Makarov. She regained her power in GmG and gained power up in Tartaros which reduced the gap with Erza and Laxus, but still, is below them. Jura is far stronger than her. But still, Erza and Laxus are.

PoF Gildarts <<<<< PoF Erza. Who got fodderized by Base Acno, and who swatted the powered up Dragon out of the sky? Irene by feats would fodderize Laxus. Irene's best feats are better than August and her worst feats are not as bad as August.

Hyping up August yet downplaying Irene who was already stated to rival him in only human form....

Moving Acnologia who is actively flying up is not something Christina can do and Acno was on instinct which means he was not playing around like he was against Christina. She also actively brought him down and he failed to get out of the attack as he was repeatedly get push down inch by inch with every sword attack. PoF Erza did something only Igneel or PoF Natsu could have done by feats in that era.

I agree with that. Erza's true PoF level is misunderstood.

Not sure for "fodderize" but still she should play with him like she did with Erza at the beginning of their fight, as Erza did the same combo used against Laxus in their last encounter : brawling then Blumenblatt = matched Laxus where Irene made a flower laughing to her power level.
Current Laxus reduced the gap but still is below.

 

[Axiomus]

Because she needed to end it quickly and she wasn't strong enough to do that and she wasn't sure if it would work or not

She said she didnt have enough power to beat him. If she couldn't beat him using all her power in one attack, then she wasn't about to beat him at all.

 

[Ratrace]

She said she didnt have enough power to beat him. If she couldn't beat him using all her power in one attack, then she wasn't about to beat him at all.

I don’t know I was just looking at the situation she was in as well

 

[Eclopse]

GMG Laxus probably could beat Mira+Erza, it's not even fair.

 

[Ramen]

Mira's statement could be wrong, like Mavis's predictions : they both didn't have all the datas.

This is actually not true.

Still, Mira was aware of Erza's actual power. She was stronger than on Tenrô but still hiding 2nde Origin who grants huge power up. Mirajane was Erza's rival before the beginning of the Manga as, with trauma, freezed her progress as wizard. In GmG, Mirajane regained her true previous power : Sitry, her strongest form known by Erza. I can see this Sitry rivaling with Erza's Knight when they were equal,as Erza acknowledged this demon form. In the past, Erza didn't let out her armor for hakama pants and her magic was reduced as well by trauma (ToH).

With time, Erza has grown stronger while Mirajane stopped using magic. She was a powerful wizard, but with her level freezed in time, like Makarov. She regained her power in GmG and gained power up in Tartaros which reduced the gap with Erza and Laxus, but still, is below them. Jura is far stronger than her. But still, Erza and Laxus are.

I got a migraine reading this.

 

[Ronin31]

I got a migraine reading this.

Ok, so I stop speaking here. Understand.
Happy new year everyone.