Fantasy Mirajane vs Laxus

[Axiomus]

I don’t know I was just looking at the situation she was in as well

The time limit doesnt really change the fact that Mirajane's all out attack couldn't have defeated Azuma. She may have been able to draw out the fight, but if an exhaustive attack doesnt work, that doesnt leave any options.

 

[Ratrace]

The time limit doesnt really change the fact that Mirajane's all out attack couldn't have defeated Azuma. She may have been able to draw out the fight, but if an exhaustive attack doesnt work, that doesnt leave any options.

Personally I don't know if how long she can stay in BSS effect her attack power but will a all out attack from Mirajane at that time be the same if she was full power. If she was talking about herself at that time then yes she most likely wouldn't have been strong enough even without the time

 

[grey matter]

Mira's statement could be wrong, like Mavis's predictions : they both didn't have all the datas.

Mavis said that she haven't got the answer of Jura's defeat as she couldn't see anyone having a chance. Laxus won.
Mavis said Grey couldn't have any chance against Rufus Hax. Grey won.
Nobody expected Natsu to take alone Sting + Rogue by himself without Gajeel's help. Natsu destroy them both in their strongest form.
Nobody was thinking that Erza didn't use her true power in GmG (Mira's statement is not base on her true stats). She released 2nde origin only by wrath to defeat Minerva.
Nobody expected Erza to take Pandemonium alone. She did it, without 2nde Origin.
Nobody expect someone to be above Jura's might on the MP Machine. Kana destroyed the Machine and Jura's score.

Still, Mira was aware of Erza's actual power. She was stronger than on Tenrô but still hiding 2nde Origin who grants huge power up. Mirajane was Erza's rival before the beginning of the Manga as, with trauma, freezed her progress as wizard. In GmG, Mirajane regained her true previous power : Sitry, her strongest form known by Erza. I can see this Sitry rivaling with Erza's Knight when they were equal,as Erza acknowledged this demon form. In the past, Erza didn't let out her armor for hakama pants and her magic was reduced as well by trauma (ToH).

With time, Erza has grown stronger while Mirajane stopped using magic. She was a powerful wizard, but with her level freezed in time, like Makarov. She regained her power in GmG and gained power up in Tartaros which reduced the gap with Erza and Laxus, but still, is below them. Jura is far stronger than her. But still, Erza and Laxus are.





I agree with that. Erza's true PoF level is misunderstood.

Not sure for "fodderize" but still she should play with him like she did with Erza at the beginning of their fight, as Erza did the same combo used against Laxus in their last encounter : brawling then Blumenblatt = matched Laxus where Irene made a flower laughing to her power level.
Current Laxus reduced the gap but still is below.

Nobody was outlandishly wrong about anything. Neither Mavis nor Mira.
Mavis wasn't outlandishly wrong about anything. Even in cases she was wrong, it was only by a margin. What this did suggest was that Mavis had an accurate grasp of the stats and abilities, and made predictions based on those alone without considering POF.

AS for Jura, Makarov himself was worried about Laxus, inspite of knowing more about Laxus than anyone else. Jura overwhelmed Laxus in battle, Laxus basically outlasted Jura in an extreme diff. Jura was superior in every stats except durability, and Laxus had more will power. Durability is something that's harder to assess compared to other stats. Either way, she wasn't outlandishly wrong about this. Laxus barely made it in an extreme diff, he couldn't even stand well after that fight, If not for Laxus, nobody would've defeated Jura.
Yea, Gray won in a bullshit fight with POF. With high diff. Only because Rufus was trolling around on a chair instead of actually trying from the beginning itself. Ok, was she really wrong about it based on abilities? It's a combination of Rufus' overconfidence and Gray's POF that gave him the win.
?? Nobody made predictions on twin dragons vs Natsu/Gajeel. Nobody in FT, nor anyone of worth from other guilds present in x784 was worried about the fight. Everyone who thought this were those who had never seen Natsu and Gajeel in action before.
Am I supposed to be impressed by Erza soloing 100 hypeless and featless monsters? Yea, "S class" monsters..........Juvia was S class in Phantom Lord. Only FT has a high standard for "S class"
Yea, cause Mavis cheated. Am I supposed to be impressed by this? In an actual fight, Cana gets one shot by Jura.

Not sure what you're going on about there. If your argument is that Mira didn't know of Erza's 2nd origin, maybe. So, at the very least, Jura > Mira (x791) + Erza (pre 2nd origin)
Even if Mira was wrong about her assessment, it would've just been based on considering POF and all that nonsense, which only FT has. i.e it won't be outlandishly wrong, to the point that it would make a difference. i.e, Mira considering Jura >>> her rules out any margin of error. I don't know why I should explicitly say this,this should be self evident. Based on pure stats and abilities, Jura >> Mira, Erza.

Also lol at making this about Erza later on, not really surprised.

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Moving Acnologia who is actively flying up is not something Christina can do and Acno was on instinct which means he was not playing around like he was against Christina. She also actively brought him down and he failed to get out of the attack as he was repeatedly get push down inch by inch with every sword attack. PoF Erza did something only Igneel or PoF Natsu could have done by feats in that era.

Acno being on instinct means he only cares about what would actually hurt him. Ships can hurt him, Erza's swords won't. Erza knocking Acno from sky isn't all that impressive. He didn't even notice it coming (because he can't) and didn't resist. It just takes enough force to move a body of size of Acno.
Way less impressive than Jellol blitzing and pushing back sane Acno, who's actually at least remotely resisting. Who I'm sure you would make every excuse to dismiss as fodder. Or than Makarov pushing back Acno, who again was at least remotely resisting.

This is actually not true.



I got a migraine reading this.

Leave it to Ronin to make this somehow about Erza lmao

 

[Ronin31]

I see we can't talk here. Ok, no problem.

 

[Anime VORTEX]

Mirajane is fodder but people tried to hype her up like she a high tier character, easily the most overrated character in the whole series.

 

[kian]

Mirajane is fodder but people tried to hype her up like she a high tier character, easily the most overrated character in the whole series.

I mean if you consider her fodder I wonder what you consider those in or near the same tier as her lol

 

[Kiki]

Laxus still comfortably dominates Mira even in bed

 

[Jko]

The Tenrou Tree didn't offer Erza anything that it didn't also give to Mirajane. It offers divine protection from death and a boost to magic power to everyone who has the mark. Mirajane had both these buffs the whole time she was on the island and was still outclassed by Azuma. When the tree fell down it stopped boosting everyone's magic, but it still provided Erza with protection from death. Azuma thought that he stopped that from happening, but he was wrong. That's all. Erza didn't hit him with the power of the Tenrou Tree. She just pushed through the blast and slashed him. By the way, the tree didn't start boosting Erza's MP during her fight either. That only started happening after Ultear restored it, towards the end of the fight with Hades.

Spoiler: Tenrou Tree's powers explained

Spoiler: Azuma noting that the tree was still protecting Erza

Spoiler: Tree only started boosting MP again once it was restored

Mirajane flat out admitted that she couldn't beat Azuma. She considered putting all her magic power into an attack, and then decided against it and then admitted to Lisanna that she doesn't have enough power to beat him. That doesn't imply she thought she had a 50/50 chance. It proves that she thought using the rest of her power in an all out attack wouldn't be enough.

Spoiler: I hate to say it, but...

And here's the kicker: Laxus didn't even have the mark. He had zero buffs from the tree. He took Hade's attack with no magic power, and without the tree's divine protection, and he still got back up to punch Hades in the face a few minutes later. His MP was also what made LFD Natsu so strong. Most of the MP that went into LFD roar came from him, and that attack probably would have beaten Hades if not for the devil's heart. Also, I don't buy that Laxus only gave Natsu his MP because he couldn't continue fighting. When Natsu asked why Laxus gave him his power even though he was stronger, the answer was simply that Laxus wanted someone from the guild to beat Hades. Later Laxus got back up to punch Hades in the face anyways. Had he kept his MP he could have lasted much longer.

Spoiler: Sheer scale of LFD roar

Spoiler: Laxus' reasoning for giving Natsu his power

Second origin widened the gap between Erza and Mirajane, while closing the gap between Laxus and Erza. Tartaros Erza can keep up with Kyouka's etherious form. Mirajane was oneshotted out of Sitri by Seilah. According to the Tartaros card stats, Kyouka outstats Seilah in every possible way. Limit Release reduces all her other stats to 1 in order to double her attack power. That's still lower than Kyouka's initial attack power, which continuously increases in her etherious form. The manga explains it as increasing for every second that passes.

Spoiler: Stat comparison

Spoiler: Kyouka's etherious form explained

Tartaros Lucy doesn't have better feats than Tenrou Laxus, unless you're counting the Spirit King's feats. Lucy didn't tank Amerterasu 28. She was wrecked by it. She didn't get back to her feet for the rest of the fight. Laxus punched Hades immediately after getting hit, transferred all of his MP to Natsu, took a bigger blast with zero MP, and then got back up to punch Hades later anyways. Laxus honestly outstats X791 base Natsu. He probably can't beat Jura without the 3 months training but he was always within Jura's tier.

Spoiler: Laxus immediately follows up to hit Hades

Spoiler: Natsu and Lucy look like they were in a car accident

Spoiler: Laxus gets back up to punch Hades in the face

Spoiler: Lucy is on her knees

Acno was flying when Christina pushed him into the time rift. Moving Acnologia isn't necessarily all that impressive unless he was actively exerting strength to push back against you. You're basically just pushing a dragon of Acnologia's size otherwise. Either way, I think Gildarts can push as hard as the Christina airship, and move Acnologia. Just not if Acnologia blitzes him and bites off half his limbs....Which would fatally injure anyone.

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I don't think Erza could defeat Azuma with a time limit. But I don't think Mirajane could defeat Azuma at all. She considered her chances using an all out attack, and came to the conclusion she wasn't strong enough.

Except it was showed Erza attacking with the magic of Tenrou tree as the ending attack. The power backfired which is how Erza went from losing to winning. If he hadn't use it he would have won the fight. So we are going to ignore when the tree gave her magic back against Hades? Surely that was not an ability granted to Mira otherwise she wouldn't have been explicitly weakened. There's also the fact she didn't get the entire magic of Tenrou wrapped around her to beat him either. We also have to note the outlandish act of Erza tanking the entire guild's magic and expect she tanked it just bcs she did. It was clear she was protected by the guild's magic which is why it backfired against Azuma. If we look prior to that point, Erza was doing worse than Mira even though the latter was weakened before the fight. A full powered Mira would be stronger than a full powered Azuma either way and Azuma is as atrong as Erza. To think Mira with three months of training is only as strong as Tenrou Erza is ludicrous. We already know Sitri would stomp BSS in a fight. x784 Erza was never stomping x784 BSS Mira. This is also forgetting the fact that all of Mira's forms gets stronger when its user magic gets stronger as well. x791 Mira >>>>> x784 Mira. There is no way x784 Mira's three months of training made her as weak as someone relative to her power in x784. We already know the gap made from training and SO are comparative as shown with Gajeel and Natsu.

Mira admitted she couldn't beat him bcs she wasn't going to tell her sister that she had a chance but didn't take it bcs she is scared Lisanna will die. The inner monologue clearly depicts she had a chance at beating him but didn't take the oppurtunity bcs it was a gamble. Mira isn't going to gamble her sister's life especially when she just got Lisanna back. This also shows that a hundred percent Mira would have no trouble doing what a weakened Mira couldn't since Mira already thought she had a chance while weakened and even stated she only couldn't beat him bcs of her present state.

Those cards are meaningless. Seilah's abilities are already broken. Giving her great stats on top of her abilities would make her too strong of a character to beat in a simple card game. And as Jason showed card mean jack squat. Torafuza has base MG level stat in defense mode. There is no possible way Torafuza is anywhere near close with MG in stats.

We aren't even talking about x791 Erza either, but x784 Erza who Mira showed to be on the same level as. There's no way x791 Mira isn't vastly stronger than x784 Erza seeing as everyone improved to the point they'd fodderize their previous self. Three months = SO.

Lucy resisted soul suck right afterwards and then fought three different opponents at the same time. The main damage came from the Amateratsu and the last attack just tipped him over. Unlike Lucy, Laxus had actual rest time and didn't participate in the battle until the very end and all he did was one punch against a severely weakened Hades. Lucy however was put into an attack and then was dealing with Alegria and the 9Ds right after the fight. She barely had a chance to catch her breath before being put into another fight. She also was never KOed and was still able to fight despite getting directly hit after being hit by Amateratsu 28. This also goes to show Natsu was far more durable than Laxus as well as he got up and downed Franmelth after almost being soul sucked as well. x791 Lucy is no doubt better than x784 Laxus.

x791 Natsu >>>> x784 LFD Natsu. He could continously use LFD with ease while x784 LFD Natsu fell out in a couple moves. We also have to note he oneshotted someone of Tenrou Natsu caliber. The same Tenrou Natsu who is far stronger than the Natsu, and x784 Laxus could not oneshot x784 Natsu. Like I said, Max had trouble with Tartarus fodder yet those same fodder were getting oneshotted by the likes of Lisanna lol. There's no way x784 Laxus out stats x791 Natsu when x791 Natsu fought and tanked far harder hits than x784 Laxus did. Laxus was also nowhere near x791 Jura since x791 Jura was the strongest Wizard Saint before the top 4. This means Jura was far above the standard wizard saint which Jellal was and Jellal and Laxus was relative to each other in x784. Even x784 Gajeel was far weaker than x784 Natsu as he almost lost to 7kin lackeys yet he was able to catch up to at least x791 Base Natsu's level despite the clear gap before the timeskip with just three months of training. The three months was the equivalent of second origin. If x784 Laxus was relative to Jura's level then he would have fodderized Jura like he could have his x784 self.

Yeah, but he got pushed sidewards not downwards (to fly up he would have to exert force upwards not sidewards) and it was an instant push for only a couple feet at best (it was also a ship his weakness). Erza straight pushed him out of the sky (from like several dozen feet in the air) and he didn't get out of the attack even though he saw them trying to slam him into a ship. He got actively pinned down despite exerting force upwards. Nah, I don't see Gildarts pushing RoT Acno down to the ground the same way Erza did. If Gild or anyone else could have done it then they wouldn't have relied solely on PoF Erza to do so. Everyone even thought it was not possible and that Erza was going to do the impossible again lol. Only on person on screen ever pushed Acno out of the sky and that was IgneeAc PoF Erza was the only one bar 100YQ DF Natsu or PoF Natsu that could smack Acno out of the sky like that. The feat is far better than Christina's.

Nobody was outlandishly wrong about anything. Neither Mavis nor Mira.
Mavis wasn't outlandishly wrong about anything. Even in cases she was wrong, it was only by a margin. What this did suggest was that Mavis had an accurate grasp of the stats and abilities, and made predictions based on those alone without considering POF.

AS for Jura, Makarov himself was worried about Laxus, inspite of knowing more about Laxus than anyone else. Jura overwhelmed Laxus in battle, Laxus basically outlasted Jura in an extreme diff. Jura was superior in every stats except durability, and Laxus had more will power. Durability is something that's harder to assess compared to other stats. Either way, she wasn't outlandishly wrong about this. Laxus barely made it in an extreme diff, he couldn't even stand well after that fight, If not for Laxus, nobody would've defeated Jura.
Yea, Gray won in a bullshit fight with POF. With high diff. Only because Rufus was trolling around on a chair instead of actually trying from the beginning itself. Ok, was she really wrong about it based on abilities? It's a combination of Rufus' overconfidence and Gray's POF that gave him the win.
?? Nobody made predictions on twin dragons vs Natsu/Gajeel. Nobody in FT, nor anyone of worth from other guilds present in x784 was worried about the fight. Everyone who thought this were those who had never seen Natsu and Gajeel in action before.
Am I supposed to be impressed by Erza soloing 100 hypeless and featless monsters? Yea, "S class" monsters..........Juvia was S class in Phantom Lord. Only FT has a high standard for "S class"
Yea, cause Mavis cheated. Am I supposed to be impressed by this? In an actual fight, Cana gets one shot by Jura.

Not sure what you're going on about there. If your argument is that Mira didn't know of Erza's 2nd origin, maybe. So, at the very least, Jura > Mira (x791) + Erza (pre 2nd origin)
Even if Mira was wrong about her assessment, it would've just been based on considering POF and all that nonsense, which only FT has. i.e it won't be outlandishly wrong, to the point that it would make a difference. i.e, Mira considering Jura >>> her rules out any margin of error. I don't know why I should explicitly say this,this should be self evident. Based on pure stats and abilities, Jura >> Mira, Erza.

Also lol at making this about Erza later on, not really surprised.

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Acno being on instinct means he only cares about what would actually hurt him. Ships can hurt him, Erza's swords won't. Erza knocking Acno from sky isn't all that impressive. He didn't even notice it coming (because he can't) and didn't resist. It just takes enough force to move a body of size of Acno.
Way less impressive than Jellol blitzing and pushing back sane Acno, who's actually at least remotely resisting. Who I'm sure you would make every excuse to dismiss as fodder. Or than Makarov pushing back Acno, who again was at least remotely resisting.



Leave it to Ronin to make this somehow about Erza lmao

Acno on instinct was stated be using his powers indiscriminately which means he was using full force with no hesitation. Secondly he saw they were try to force him on a boat and still could not do anything to get out of Erza's sword pin. No, Jellal pushing back a jobbing base Acno that wasn't even shown to fly or care for the attack is nowhere close to pushing RoT Acno who was stated to use his powers indiscriminately. Acno used the same power on Jellal as he would use on a bug as he didn't see Jellal as a threat. Instinct Acno was stated use full force bcs he didn't if they were a bug or not and saw every mage as threat to him. Also Acno did notice the attack since he was repeatedly getting hit down and notices the boat since he literally yells out "what?!" before he gets slammed into the boat by thr swords. Erza was undoubtedly far better than Jellal's or Makarov's since Acno wasn't in the mindset of holding back against people he believes are fodder to himself.

 

[grey matter]

even in bed

Fanfic ship xD

Acno on instinct was stated be using his powers indiscriminately which means he was using full force with no hesitation. Secondly he saw they were try to force him on a boat and still could not do anything to get out of Erza's sword pin. No, Jellal pushing back a jobbing base Acno that wasn't even shown to fly or care for the attack is nowhere close to pushing RoT Acno who was stated to use his powers indiscriminately. Acno used the same power on Jellal as he would use on a bug as he didn't see Jellal as a threat. Instinct Acno was stated use full force bcs he didn't if they were a bug or not and saw every mage as threat to him. Also Acno did notice the attack since he was repeatedly getting hit down and notices the boat since he literally yells out "what?!" before he gets slammed into the boat by thr swords. Erza was undoubtedly far better than Jellal's or Makarov's since Acno wasn't in the mindset of holding back against people he believes are fodder to himself.

If he indeed was using full force, he would've killed everyone there effortlessly. His instinct directed his powers only against ships and no one else. If you're gonna tell me that Erza can move an Acno who's actually resisting with full force, I don't know what to say lmao.

 

[Axiomus]

Except it was showed Erza attacking with the magic of Tenrou tree as the ending attack. The power backfired which is how Erza went from losing to winning. If he hadn't use it he would have won the fight. So we are going to ignore when the tree gave her magic back against Hades? Surely that was not an ability granted to Mira otherwise she wouldn't have been explicitly weakened. There's also the fact she didn't get the entire magic of Tenrou wrapped around her to beat him either. We also have to note the outlandish act of Erza tanking the entire guild's magic and expect she tanked it just bcs she did. It was clear she was protected by the guild's magic which is why it backfired against Azuma. If we look prior to that point, Erza was doing worse than Mira even though the latter was weakened before the fight. A full powered Mira would be stronger than a full powered Azuma either way and Azuma is as atrong as Erza. To think Mira with three months of training is only as strong as Tenrou Erza is ludicrous. We already know Sitri would stomp BSS in a fight. x784 Erza was never stomping x784 BSS Mira. This is also forgetting the fact that all of Mira's forms gets stronger when its user magic gets stronger as well. x791 Mira >>>>> x784 Mira. There is no way x784 Mira's three months of training made her as weak as someone relative to her power in x784. We already know the gap made from training and SO are comparative as shown with Gajeel and Natsu.

Mira admitted she couldn't beat him bcs she wasn't going to tell her sister that she had a chance but didn't take it bcs she is scared Lisanna will die. The inner monologue clearly depicts she had a chance at beating him but didn't take the oppurtunity bcs it was a gamble. Mira isn't going to gamble her sister's life especially when she just got Lisanna back. This also shows that a hundred percent Mira would have no trouble doing what a weakened Mira couldn't since Mira already thought she had a chance while weakened and even stated she only couldn't beat him bcs of her present state.

Those cards are meaningless. Seilah's abilities are already broken. Giving her great stats on top of her abilities would make her too strong of a character to beat in a simple card game. And as Jason showed card mean jack squat. Torafuza has base MG level stat in defense mode. There is no possible way Torafuza is anywhere near close with MG in stats.

We aren't even talking about x791 Erza either, but x784 Erza who Mira showed to be on the same level as. There's no way x791 Mira isn't vastly stronger than x784 Erza seeing as everyone improved to the point they'd fodderize their previous self. Three months = SO.

Lucy resisted soul suck right afterwards and then fought three different opponents at the same time. The main damage came from the Amateratsu and the last attack just tipped him over. Unlike Lucy, Laxus had actual rest time and didn't participate in the battle until the very end and all he did was one punch against a severely weakened Hades. Lucy however was put into an attack and then was dealing with Alegria and the 9Ds right after the fight. She barely had a chance to catch her breath before being put into another fight. She also was never KOed and was still able to fight despite getting directly hit after being hit by Amateratsu 28. This also goes to show Natsu was far more durable than Laxus as well as he got up and downed Franmelth after almost being soul sucked as well. x791 Lucy is no doubt better than x784 Laxus.

x791 Natsu >>>> x784 LFD Natsu. He could continously use LFD with ease while x784 LFD Natsu fell out in a couple moves. We also have to note he oneshotted someone of Tenrou Natsu caliber. The same Tenrou Natsu who is far stronger than the Natsu, and x784 Laxus could not oneshot x784 Natsu. Like I said, Max had trouble with Tartarus fodder yet those same fodder were getting oneshotted by the likes of Lisanna lol. There's no way x784 Laxus out stats x791 Natsu when x791 Natsu fought and tanked far harder hits than x784 Laxus did. Laxus was also nowhere near x791 Jura since x791 Jura was the strongest Wizard Saint before the top 4. This means Jura was far above the standard wizard saint which Jellal was and Jellal and Laxus was relative to each other in x784. Even x784 Gajeel was far weaker than x784 Natsu as he almost lost to 7kin lackeys yet he was able to catch up to at least x791 Base Natsu's level despite the clear gap before the timeskip with just three months of training. The three months was the equivalent of second origin. If x784 Laxus was relative to Jura's level then he would have fodderized Jura like he could have his x784 self.

Yeah, but he got pushed sidewards not downwards (to fly up he would have to exert force upwards not sidewards) and it was an instant push for only a couple feet at best (it was also a ship his weakness). Erza straight pushed him out of the sky (from like several dozen feet in the air) and he didn't get out of the attack even though he saw them trying to slam him into a ship. He got actively pinned down despite exerting force upwards. Nah, I don't see Gildarts pushing RoT Acno down to the ground the same way Erza did. If Gild or anyone else could have done it then they wouldn't have relied solely on PoF Erza to do so. Everyone even thought it was not possible and that Erza was going to do the impossible again lol. Only on person on screen ever pushed Acno out of the sky and that was Ignee Ac PoF Erza was the only one bar 100YQ DF Natsu or PoF Natsu that could smack Acno out of the sky like that. The feat is far better than Christina's.

Nope. It wasn't. Erza simply pushed through Azuma's blast and slashed him. The explosion never touched Azuma. What happened was Azuma blasted Erza with the power of the tree, but the tree's divine protection was still in effect. So it protected Erza from the damage. Unless you want to argue that the POF imagery actually generated some type of physical force, and isn't just symbolism, then Erza just charged through the blast and slashed Azuma.

Spoiler: The attack that defeated Azuma was just a slash

Mirajane said she couldn't beat Azuma because she couldn't beat Azuma. If she thought she could beat Azuma, she would have taken her chances. Why? Because it's better than leaving Lisanna at the mercy of Azuma after she's knocked unconscious. Her exact words was "He's too strong, maybe if I put all my power into one attack.....I hate to say it, but I don't have enough power left to defeat him". This doesn't imply 50% chance at victory. By the way, Mirajane is only in her "weakened state" because she fought Elfman and Evergreen for the trial...And she didn't even win that fight. Laxus can waste a huge amount of his power casting an useless Fairy Law, and still stomp Elfman and Evergreen.

The cards are an insight to Mashima's thought process. Jason's card stats are perfectly fine too. They just don't account for second origin. Just give +1 or ±2 to everyone that had second origin to their stats, and it's pretty much more or less what we expect. I don't really care if Sitri would be overpowered if she had good stats too. The point is that Seilah's stats are lower than Kyouka's, and she still oneshotted Mirajane out of Sitri. You can argue that Seilah had a bunch of hax abilities, but Mirajane simply doesn't stack up to Tartaros arc Erza when it comes to stats.

So? Resisting soul sucking doesn't impress me because Happy could do it too. It has nothing to do with durability. Laxus immediately punched Hades, and then sent his power over to Natsu, took another blast from Hades that everyone thought was going to kill him, and then got back up to punch Hades again. Lucy just sat there and talked. If you want to consider the fight against Tartaros after Lucy's had time to rest, then I might as well bring up the fact that Laxus was using magic again by the time Acnologia attacked.

Maybe in Dragon Force, but X791 Natsu in base and LFD isn't stronger than tenrou Natsu with Laxus' power. He exhausted himself with the roar on Tenrou Island because he used all of his power for that attack. He learned to stop doing that. I'm not sure what your point with Max is trying to prove. Max isn't stronger than X784 Natsu. Max isn't about to replicate X784 Natsu's high end feats. He'd get crushed by Dorma Anim. He's just strong enough that Natsu couldn't steamroll him like fodder. That's par for the course for pretty much anybody of note, even in X784.

I don't understand why pushing someone to the side is less impressive than pushing someone down. You're working with gravity if you're pushing down. But anyways, I'm a bit lost on the point here. Even if Erza could do things that Gildarts can't, this isn't anything that scales to Mirajane.

 

[AmitDS]

I'm not getting into Laxus > Mira or whatever but I want to see how people think this fight would go i.e. what difficulty it would be regardless of them agreeing about Laxus > Mira and winning or not.

 

[Plutogrim]

This fight would be like Erza vs Laxus before they get serious. Once Laxus get serious then thie fight would be like Laxus vs Kyria.
Serious Laxus low diff Mirajane.
Not serious Laxus midd diff.

 

[One4All]

Erza was able to pish extreme-diff on Laxus. Since my stand is Erza>Mira,Laxus takes this high-diff at best.

 

[grey matter]

Laxus mid diff

 

[Sevently]

based on feats ? Laxus low diff
based on portrayal ? laxus mid/high diff

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Laxus wins mid to high diff.

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I didn't know some people would really think that Mirajane would gave an extreme-diff to Laxus lmfao. Maybe is she angry due to Kyria?

 

[Ronin31]

Laxus wins mid to high diff.

Agree with mid-diff in regular Lightning Mode.
Low-diff if Red Lightning.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Agree with mid-diff in regular Lightning Mode.
Low-diff if Red Lightning.

Yes.

 

[WoWfan]

Pretty sure Laxus would take this.

 

[Plutogrim]

Current Mirajane is on the level of Tartaros Laxus.