Nah, I'm past the point where I think Acno is more than he was. There's no real reason for him to want Wendy dead less than he did God Serena. As for August reacting, meh, Base August, he was surprised when Brandish stabbed him too. If Acno fought any main member of FT, he wouldn't be able to oneshot any of them, just look at Aldaron's god seed, he should be more or less Human Acno strength, Base Natsu still held up fine even before all the weakening.
Eh, Aldoron seed was kind of toying around with Natsu too. At full power his attacks are too fast to perceive for Natsu. If the Aldoron seed used thicket of arms at full power, he could skewer pretty much any opponent before they could react. Natsu was able to survive thicket by burning away the thorns and dropping into Dragon Force, but DF Natsu is basically on the cusp of a god tier himself. Pretty much anyone else from the guild would have died there. Maybe some people with intangibility could survive it, but they would have to activate it before Aldoron attacks. At full power, he's too fast to react against.
A god dragon might not be able to oneshot with low effort, but they can still oneshot.
Eh, Aldoron seed was kind of toying around with Natsu too. At full power his attacks are too fast to perceive for Natsu. If the Aldoron seed used thicket of arms at full power, he could skewer pretty much any opponent before they could react. Natsu was able to survive thicket by burning away the thorns and dropping into Dragon Force, but DF Natsu is basically on the cusp of a god tier himself. Pretty much anyone else from the guild would have died there. Maybe some people with intangibility could survive it, but they would have to activate it before Aldoron attacks. At full power, he's too fast to react against.
A god dragon might not be able to oneshot with low effort, but they can still oneshot.
Nah, I'm past the point where I think Acno is more than he was. There's no real reason for him to want Wendy dead less than he did God Serena. As for August reacting, meh, Base August, he was surprised when Brandish stabbed him too. If Acno fought any main member of FT, he wouldn't be able to oneshot any of them, just look at Aldaron's god seed, he should be more or less Human Acno strength, Base Natsu still held up fine even before all the weakening.
See the difference in Acno's demeanor when he killed Serena, and when he went after Wendy.
Acno had an utterly serious and "Im not fucking around" face when he killed Serena, and August shat his pants.
He had a troll face when he went after Wendy. And yes, it's plot armour too. You're gonna tell me that Acno, who's stronger and faster than parent dragons that covered the entire continent (probably more than once) in a minute, failed to catch fucking Christina ship and Jellol?
As for August not reacting to Brandish, it's different when he's off guard and attacked by an ally, and when he's observing someone who is a clear enemy. August straight up admitted that he can't do hit to Acno. Acno > all of Alverez combined, which was why they needed FH to fire etherions at him.
And as Ax said, Aldo seed was toying in the beginning. He didn't move an inch, from his personality he just wanted to assert dominance and have some fun before he killed Natsu.
Then, Aldo got significantly nerfed, and Natsu needed arguably his strongest DF to defeat him.
Yeah. Maybe? I don't think DF has a healing factor in the way Deadpool does. I think it's more like if you shot Bruce Banner and he turns into the Hulk. If you injure him again, he stays injured.
Yeah. Maybe? I don't think DF has a healing factor in the way Deadpool does. I think it's more like if you shot Bruce Banner and he turns into the Hulk. If you injure him again, he stays injured.
Depends on the context and the group of people who are doing the overrating. I'll throw up some for different reasons, judging from the people I've interacted with:
Jellal - for several reasons. Has 'versatility', easily the most overrated thing ever when you don't use it. Secondly this dude, with practically no post-skip feats at the time, beat the GOAT Laxus in a tournament here And finally, his character arc... I used to be blind to how much of a simp he is coz I liked his magic. But there's nothing for me to latch onto in terms of his character, nothing that inspires or interests me. His might be one of the more lackluster redemption/guilt stories I've ever encountered.
Laxus - his power level wank can get out of hand. Admittedly I also get swept up in his greatness and headcanon him being stronger than Gildarts, for example.
Mirajane - poor girl gets overhyped by Hiro/the guild only to come up short, and embarrassingly so when compared to Erza.
I don't think Zeref, Acno or the Spriggans are overrated, in the sense that the majority tend to trash these characters. and so did Hiro Mashima. So I don't see how they qualify for overrated - particularly now. Even the DiMaria stuff has quietened. (btw Brandish is a queen who can legit solo FT lmao )
I would also add that it depends if you hate a certain character and what your experience you have with certain fandoms of that said character.
what I mean by that is someone might hate one character to the core because that character doesn't really sit well with him/her (not everyone will like every character you like and vice versa) so when they see a user or two hyping him/her out they'll call that overrated even though they technically aren't. remember my Natsu period
personally, I won't call characters overrated if I see a few users hyping them beyond what they can do.
once it reaches a dozen or more so, especially when someone can't back up their claims, then he/she enters my Overrated Book
I'm open to people changing my mind. I'm not really active lately but I read some posts and I already changed my mind (I'm human after all) on some stuff (Natsu, Erza, Brandish, Irene etc).
Natsu also miraclously healed from being stabbed all over the body lethally, similar to how he healed after being stabbed lethally by Animus.
Does this mean that Natsu's DF has self heal, when it activates? It's likely bullshit, but I'm noticing a pattern here. What do you think?
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See the difference in Acno's demeanor when he killed Serena, and when he went after Wendy.
Acno had an utterly serious and "Im not fucking around" face when he killed Serena, and August shat his pants.
He had a troll face when he went after Wendy. And yes, it's plot armour too. You're gonna tell me that Acno, who's stronger and faster than parent dragons that covered the entire continent (probably more than once) in a minute, failed to catch fucking Christina ship and Jellol?
As for August not reacting to Brandish, it's different when he's off guard and attacked by an ally, and when he's observing someone who is a clear enemy. August straight up admitted that he can't do hit to Acno. Acno > all of Alverez combined, which was why they needed FH to fire etherions at him.
And as Ax said, Aldo seed was toying in the beginning. He didn't move an inch, from his personality he just wanted to assert dominance and have some fun before he killed Natsu.
Then, Aldo got significantly nerfed, and Natsu needed arguably his strongest DF to defeat him.
Or it could be that Serena was worthless scum not worth paying any attention to, rather than "I'm really serious, I'm gonna use my full strength to crush him". As for Christina, it also rammed him into RoT, Jellal also nearly managed it, Jellal also dodged his roar, Acno just ain't that great.
Eh, Aldoron seed was kind of toying around with Natsu too. At full power his attacks are too fast to perceive for Natsu. If the Aldoron seed used thicket of arms at full power, he could skewer pretty much any opponent before they could react. Natsu was able to survive thicket by burning away the thorns and dropping into Dragon Force, but DF Natsu is basically on the cusp of a god tier himself. Pretty much anyone else from the guild would have died there. Maybe some people with intangibility could survive it, but they would have to activate it before Aldoron attacks. At full power, he's too fast to react against.
A god dragon might not be able to oneshot with low effort, but they can still oneshot.
Any reason he had to toy with Natsu vanished into the wind the moment the first God Seed was down, he was visibly worried by it. You can say it was already too late by then, but even still, being at 4/5 of your power(assuming Doom even contributed that much lol) and still being unable to kill Base Natsu is unimpressive. Thicket of Arms also didn't warrant Dragon Force, Natsu burned through it without it, Natsu went Dragon Force because Aldaron was a piece of shit. Wouldn't have been a oneshot anyway, Natsu had sustained a ton of damage before then.
But sure, I think a god dragon can oneshot if they put the effort in, %50 Merc almost did in Base Natsu, my point is that they're no longer an unbeatable force. Faced with the full might of Fairy Tail, they lose, which is funny, since Alvarez for some reason thought they couldn't beat him without Fairy Heart.
Or it could be that Serena was worthless scum not worth paying any attention to, rather than "I'm really serious, I'm gonna use my full strength to crush him". As for Christina, it also rammed him into RoT, Jellal also nearly managed it, Jellal also dodged his roar, Acno just ain't that great.
Any reason he had to toy with Natsu vanished into the wind the moment the first God Seed was down, he was visibly worried by it. You can say it was already too late by then, but even still, being at 4/5 of your power(assuming Doom even contributed that much lol) and still being unable to kill Base Natsu is unimpressive. Thicket of Arms also didn't warrant Dragon Force, Natsu burned through it without it, Natsu went Dragon Force because Aldaron was a piece of shit. Wouldn't have been a oneshot anyway, Natsu had sustained a ton of damage before then.
But sure, I think a god dragon can oneshot if they put the effort in, %50 Merc almost did in Base Natsu, my point is that they're no longer an unbeatable force. Faced with the full might of Fairy Tail, they lose, which is funny, since Alvarez for some reason thought they couldn't beat him without Fairy Heart.
Aldoron wasn't worried about Natsu until after he dropped into Dragon Force.
Natsu was already in DF before asking Aldoron what he did to all the humans. We saw the scales of DF right after the flames burned away the thorns. It's no different than when Natsu dropped into DF to burn away Zeref's magic.
Fairy Tail only won against Aldoron because he gave himself such an exploitable weakness with the seeds. Even then, remove Natsu from the equation, and Aldoron would have just eventually outlasted everyone. The seeds would have just regenerated, they were still being pelted by thicket, and it would take 100 million attacks on the level of demolition fists to finish off his actual dragon body.
Natsu and Lucy easily. Boring one-dimensional characters now (or at least in the main series for arcs), and they still somehow have so many fans. I also think Laxus is overrated as well. Dunno about Gray though but he doesn't get wanked that much.
If Juvia's popular then she's definitely overrated.
Natsu and Lucy easily. Boring one-dimensional characters now (or at least in the main series for arcs), and they still somehow have so many fans. I also think Laxus is overrated as well. Dunno about Gray though but he doesn't get wanked that much.
If Juvia's popular then she's definitely overrated.
Make Natsu more complex and not overpowered. Also deserves growth. Same with Erza actually. With Lucy, more of a badass and growth. Dunno about Laxus because his power and aura are why he's one of my favorites.
Make Juvia not as Gray obsessed and her own character.
Make Natsu more complex and not overpowered. Also deserves growth. Same with Erza actually. With Lucy, more of a badass and growth. Dunno about Laxus because his power and aura are why he's one of my favorites.
Make Juvia not as Gray obsessed and her own character.
Why not down with Natsu being more complex and smarter (more often anyway) while not being so overpowered? That'd make him a better character, and I wanna like Natsu again as he got me into the manga.
Aldoron wasn't worried about Natsu until after he dropped into Dragon Force.
Natsu was already in DF before asking Aldoron what he did to all the humans. We saw the scales of DF right after the flames burned away the thorns. It's no different than when Natsu dropped into DF to burn away Zeref's magic.
Fairy Tail only won against Aldoron because he gave himself such an exploitable weakness with the seeds. Even then, remove Natsu from the equation, and Aldoron would have just eventually outlasted everyone. The seeds would have just regenerated, they were still being pelted by thicket, and it would take 100 million attacks on the level of demolition fists to finish off his actual dragon body.
He was still in base after already having burnt the thorns away.
Fairy Tail won because they were the superior force, Natsu is also part of Fairy Tail, one of their strongest. Logically the seeds are dumb as fuck, but they exist and they exist for a reason, probably because Aldaron is too big to fight or even see his enemies himself these days, could he have endured without them? Sure, but it'd only be a matter of time before FT got tired of it and started fighting Aldaron properly. Wendy didn't even have to enchant Natsu with her, Laxus and Gajeel's power to do it win, they also didn't use Fairy Sphere. So sure, Aldaron could have probably fought smarter, as could a lot of people in this manga, and that includes Fairy Tail. Honestly all Team Natsu really needs to do to beat the 100 YQ is recruit Cobra, Sting and Rogue, but I'm sure they'll beat the rest of the Dragon Gods one way or another, other than a few stumbles it probably won't even be that difficult.
He was still in base after already having burnt the thorns away.
Fairy Tail won because they were the superior force, Natsu is also part of Fairy Tail, one of their strongest. Logically the seeds are dumb as fuck, but they exist and they exist for a reason, probably because Aldaron is too big to fight or even see his enemies himself these days, could he have endured without them? Sure, but it'd only be a matter of time before FT got tired of it and started fighting Aldaron properly. Wendy didn't even have to enchant Natsu with her, Laxus and Gajeel's power to do it win, they also didn't use Fairy Sphere. So sure, Aldaron could have probably fought smarter, as could a lot of people in this manga, and that includes Fairy Tail. Honestly all Team Natsu really needs to do to beat the 100 YQ is recruit Cobra, Sting and Rogue, but I'm sure they'll beat the rest of the Dragon Gods one way or another, other than a few stumbles it probably won't even be that difficult.
He might have been worried if the other seeds would get defeated, but he wasn't worried about whether or not he could beat Natsu.
Natsu dropped into dragon force like a few seconds after that anyways. So yeah, maybe Natsu can burn the thicket without DF....but the amount of power required for him to do so is right on the edge of triggering DF anyways.
Acnologia tiers have only really gone down after a series of nerfs. Aldoron took 1 point of damage from demolition fist, and has 100,000,000 points of HP. It would take a person around 3 years to cast enough spells to take down Aldoron, assuming they are casting a spell as powerful as demoliton fist once per second. The guild were more likely to go down to thicket, or at least be forced into a retreat, before they make a significant headway in damaging Aldoron.
Natsu is on the cusp of a god tier himself. The god dragons going down to him after some nerfs doesn't really undermine their standing as being stronger than everyone else. After all, Ignia-powered Natsu is stronger than team Natsu, and that's what it takes to take down Mercphobia.
He might have been worried if the other seeds would get defeated, but he wasn't worried about whether or not he could beat Natsu.
Natsu dropped into dragon force like a few seconds after that anyways. So yeah, maybe Natsu can burn the thicket without DF....but the amount of power required for him to do so is right on the edge of triggering DF anyways.
Acnologia tiers have only really gone down after a series of nerfs. Aldoron took 1 point of damage from demolition fist, and has 100,000,000 points of HP. It would take a person around 3 years to cast enough spells to take down Aldoron, assuming they are casting a spell as powerful as demoliton fist once per second. The guild were more likely to go down to thicket, or at least be forced into a retreat, before they make a significant headway in damaging Aldoron.
Natsu is on the cusp of a god tier himself. The god dragons going down to him after some nerfs doesn't really undermine their standing as being stronger than everyone else. After all, Ignia-powered Natsu is stronger than team Natsu, and that's what it takes to take down Mercphobia.
Sure, but any reason he had to play around with Natsu ended the moment he sensed the threat to the other seeds.
Sure, I'm just saying he didn't get oneshot by it.
Aldaron didn't, what was done to him was done with the strength of Fairy Tail, it's not a nerf if your opponent does it to you.
3 years for a standard Natsu tier, give him 7 Dragon mode and he arguably does it in a single hit, FT at the time had access to 4 Dragon mode, would it have done the job? Probably not in one hit, but I'm sure they'd manage it eventually. As for thicket, didn't do much to anyone, even Laxus and Erza who were absolutely trashed at the time managed it pretty well.
I didn't say God Dragons weren't still the strongest, they are, they're simply not the unbeatable force they were once viewed as. There was a time when I thought FT taking on 5 Acno tiers was ludicrous, but now? Seems doable, very doable. I don't anticipate any of the remaining dragon gods putting up much more of a fight than Aldaron or Merc did, in fact I'm expecting even Diablos to actually be somewhat of a threat to one of them.
The most overhyped FT character. Widely regarded in the story as the most evil mage who has ever lived. So much myths about his legendary strength and legacy of death, destruction he created. Multiple fanatics and quasi-religious cults who devoted effort into resurrecting him from his presumed death. Eisenwald during Lullaby arc, Jellal during ToH, Grimoire Heart on Tenrou island, Avatar and Tartaros arc, etc. The most recurring, central antagonist who tied in to half of the plot in the entire story. Turned out to be a 180 shift in personality.
Actually a tormented soul who is a powerless victim to the effect of his curse/magic. Had to live as a recluse so as to avoid killing living beings that he had no intention to. Just a big brother who wished to be with his little brother badly. Which can easily be achieved if he had the communication skills of a regular joe.
Zeref: Natsu...
Natsu: Wassup? Are you new to the guild? Hi, I'm Natsu!
Zeref: I'm Zeref
Natsu: Oh...that sounds familiar... HUH! Isn't that the name of the most evil dark mage like ever!?
Zeref: Hold on a sec, let me explain!
*proceeds to explain his and Natsu background, as well as tackling the threat of Acno*
Natsu: Aah I see now. So it was all a huge misunderstanding!
Zeref: .....
Natsu: No worry big brother! FT will kick Acnowhatshisname's ass!
Zeref: You are not strong enough yet. Train to become stronger.
*training arc commences and they eventually beat Acno*
THE END
Evil? Unleash his dark powers to descend the magic world into chaos? Joke. Zeref's track record in using magic for confrontation stands at
- Lost to Ultear, who in turn was defeated by Gray
- Killed wounded Zancrow after catching him off guard with a surprise attack
- Killed wounded Hades after catching him off guard with a surprise attack
- Killed Mard Geer after he was badly wounded and could hardly put up a resistance
- Got dominated by Natsu with the remaining powers of Igneel
- Killed Larcade after catching him off guard with a surprise attack
- Lost to Natsu
Mira
One of my favourite characters, however her stock has taken a real beating in recent years. Mashima seems allergic to give Mira-chan an impressive display.
If we were to compare the performance and success of other characters from Tartaros (2013) onwards, Mira is really left behind compared to her peers.
Tartaros
Erza - Defeated Neo-Minerva with enhanced powers. Defeated Kyouka, arguably the strongest demon gate, though with massive pof.
Gray - Defeated Silver, who is immune to his magic and arguably the strongest demon gate. Defeated Tempester. Defeated Mard Geer, main antagonist of the arc.
Gajeel - Defeated Torafuzar.
Mira - Outclassed by Seilah, and managed to avoid defeat with Elfman's help
Alvarez
Erza - Defeated Ajeel, with Bisca's help. Dispelled Neinhart's Historias through sheer will. Blocked END Natsu and Gray's attacks. Pushed Irene to a high-extreme difficulty fight with Wendy's help.
Gray - Defeated Wall's Machias bots. Defeated Ur's Historia, together with Lyon. Eventually crushed Invel, with Juvia's help. Stalemated END Natsu, who overpowered age seal then wrecked Dimaria so hard she ended up with PTSD and gave up fighting altogether to become a farmer. On the verge of freezing Zeref with Lost Iced Shell until Natsu arrive to intervene.
Gajeel - Defeated Ajeel's fleet of army, together with Natsu, Wendy and Lily. Eventually crushed Bloodman, after negating his intangibility.
Mira - Defeated Wall's Machias bots. Eventually crushed Juliet and Heine, with arguably her strongest takeover. Defeated Jacob, arguably the least impressive Spriggan, through comic-relief dubious circumstances.
Rather uninspiring track record that hardly stack up to the rest. When Mira first revealed her strength during the fighting festival, it was amazing. And that was when her powers had not been used for a good number of years, so understandably rusty. She certainly looked Erza's equal or thereabouts then. However, Mira has made little improvement since while Erza has propelled in strength. Mashima made her lose interest in fighting or training to further her powers, and made her the mother figure nurturer of the guild instead. Necessary decision for storytelling, but disappointing one for her fans who looked forward to her fights.
Serena
Had to decide between Serena, Wall, and Dimaria. Went for Serena. Wall usually crushes the poll in almost all his threads in the domus flau section. However, you don't hear people talking about him much. So those who rate him highly are mostly silent. Dimaria used to be very overrated, but doesn't get brought up often recently. Out of sight, out of mind I guess. At her peak, she is likely more overrated. However, Serena is the one whose hype still lives on to this day and seemingly refuses to go away.
With Serena, it's usually his fans crying about 'what if's and but's. Examples; 'What if he hadn't faced Acno of all people?', 'But he only lost to Gildarts because he was a Historia!'.
It's easy to clutch at straws when Serena was one of the few Spriggans who has a legit case of not getting his hype squashed. But to see his fans cling on to that sliver of ambiguity as though it's evidence and not speculation, ugh. Give me a break.
I forgot Gildarts too
The majority put Gildarts above the clouds
For me, I haven't seen anything from him.
He only has two fights in this series.
-The first fight is against blunote: This person gave him a fight
I'm not saying "he gave him a good fight", but "he gave him a fight".
Gildarts was very angry and serious.
Initially a clash between Gildarts and blunote
Most of the fight was also off screen
after this
Blunote is still fighting Gildarts
After all these scenes
Here the magic disappeared
Bluenote was able to keep up with the angry Gildarts for a while before this.
I don't know how he's going to beat the Four Saints as easily as people say.
Natsu easily defeated him directly
Base Natsu ( After training) vs. Bluenote is stronger than the angry Gildarts in Tenrojima????
Sure, but any reason he had to play around with Natsu ended the moment he sensed the threat to the other seeds.
Sure, I'm just saying he didn't get oneshot by it.
Aldaron didn't, what was done to him was done with the strength of Fairy Tail, it's not a nerf if your opponent does it to you.
3 years for a standard Natsu tier, give him 7 Dragon mode and he arguably does it in a single hit, FT at the time had access to 4 Dragon mode, would it have done the job? Probably not in one hit, but I'm sure they'd manage it eventually. As for thicket, didn't do much to anyone, even Laxus and Erza who were absolutely trashed at the time managed it pretty well.
I didn't say God Dragons weren't still the strongest, they are, they're simply not the unbeatable force they were once viewed as. There was a time when I thought FT taking on 5 Acno tiers was ludicrous, but now? Seems doable, very doable. I don't anticipate any of the remaining dragon gods putting up much more of a fight than Aldaron or Merc did, in fact I'm expecting even Diablos to actually be somewhat of a threat to one of them.
But he still didn't make a serious effort to beat Natsu until thicket. I'm saying if he casted thicket in the beginning while he was still too fast for Natsu to react to, he would have very easily beaten him. Probably could have beaten DF Natsu before he got to use his new secret art too.
Thicket didn't do much damage because most of it missed. If Aldoron was actually aiming at a target, he would be able to skewer any individual the way he did to Natsu. Now Natsu wasn't oneshotted, but he had to burn away the thorns and drop into DF to continue the fight. I don't think anyone else is able to walk off getting impaled like that. Some might be able to turn intangible or put up a shield before they get hit, but again, at full power Aldoron's attacks are too fast.
I still think Aldoron could have very easily won if he simply hid the other 4 seeds or just used thicket from the beginning. Natsu would go down quickly, and then Aldoron could start picking off the other members with the main god seed. Or outlast them with thicket, because again I don't think FT are going to do enough damage to Aldoron before thicket picks them off. Even if thicket doesn't pick them off, they'll most likely be forced to run away. It's not like Wendy could enchant everyone's power into Natsu, or his to others, with him being stuck miles underground. They could try combining doing it without Natsu, but honestly I think giant Gajeel was already a stronger bet.
And finally, his character arc... I used to be blind to how much of a simp he is coz I liked his magic. But there's nothing for me to latch onto in terms of his character, nothing that inspires or interests me. His might be one of the more lackluster redemption/guilt stories I've ever encountered.
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