Discussion Most Overrated Character(s)

[Ramen]

Nah, as @aymen24 pointed out with panels, Gildarts couldn't just finish off Bluenote as he pleased. They were fighting off screen for quite a while, it was a drawn out fight until Azuma did what he did. In the end, Bluenote used his strongest attack, Gildarts countered it, and Gildarts used his 2nd strongest attack (strongest attack shown at the time) on Bluenote to finish him off. It was, by no means, a stomp. It would've been a mid diff, which got turned into an extreme diff by Azuma.

We know that all the GOI are several tiers above x791 Jura (we don't know where x792 Jura stands), from GMG arc. And Serena is several tiers above the 2nd strongest GOI. God Serena >>> Hyperion >>> Bluenote/Jura

God Serena went to Alverez because the empire's aim coincided with his aim, which was Acnologia.

I mean, I agree that's the way things are. After all Mashima is writing. Like I said before, I don't even contest the power levels of the relevant characters, I'm just saying it makes no sense logically

Gildarts was always tiers above the GOI. They literally can do nothing to him. So if wherever you put GS you have to put Serena.

They had a small fight then Azuma did what he did. Bluenotes strongest move (Blackhole) was fodder to him.

Gildarts was always GS tier (whatever that means).

 

[grey matter]

Gildarts was always tiers above the GOI. They literally can do nothing to him. So if wherever you put GS you have to put Serena.

They had a small fight then Azuma did what he did. Bluenotes strongest move (Blackhole) was fodder to him.

Gildarts was always GS tier (whatever that means).

So, you're saying Tenrou Gildarts is around the same level as current Gildarts? Logically, I'd agree with you. That's how it should be

But the thing with Bluenote persists. Gildarts had a drawn out fight against Bluenote (BEFORE Azuma nerfed Gilarts), while Alverez base Natsu just stomped him with a roar. No matter how you look at it, what Alverez base Natsu did was far more impressive than what Tenrou Gildarts did.
That roar probably one shots more than half the Spriggans, but it wouldn't do much to Alverez Gildarts

This is how I see it:
Logically - Tenrou Gildarts should be around Alverez Gildarts level
Reality of Mashima's writing - Alverez Gildarts >>> Tenrou Gildarts

 

[Demon Hunter]

I think you guys are looking at this way too seriously or with the pure eyes of the power scalers.

This isn't really Mashima's reality or PL doesn't make sense in FT.

This is reality of most, if not, all Shounen's.

If you think this isn't logical or it should be like this like you think it should then you're better off reading rom coms

 

[grey matter]

I think you guys are looking at this way too seriously or with the pure eyes of the power scalers.

This isn't really Mashima's reality or PL doesn't make sense in FT.

This is reality of most, if not, all Shounen's.

If you think this isn't logical or it should be like this like you think it should then you're better off reading rom coms

Yea, yea, yea. It's just shounen things.

Except FT just takes it to an absurd extreme, just like DBS did (but not as bad as DBS), Most shounen, that I've read/watched at least, takes it in a more reasonable way, and for the most part don't do exponential power scaling (which is just recipe for disaster IMO)

 

[Ramen]

Except FT just takes it to an absurd extreme, just like DBS did (but not as bad)

Take FT and crank it 100x and you got DBS. Crank that 100x and you got Boruto.

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hat I've read/watched at least, takes it in a more reasonable way, and for the most part don't do exponential power scaling (which is just recipe for disaster IMO)

And what Shounens are these?

 

[grey matter]

Take FT and crank it 100x and you got DBS. Crank that 100x and you got Boruto.

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And what Shounens are these?

I meant, FT does it like DBS, but FT doesn't do it nearly as bad.

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Edited to make it clear

 

[Demon Hunter]

Yea, yea, yea. It's just shounen things.

Except FT just takes it to an absurd extreme, just like DBS did (but not as bad as DBS), Most shounen, that I've read/watched at least, takes it in a more reasonable way, and for the most part don't do exponential power scaling (which is just recipe for disaster IMO)

Oh yeah jump in power in DBS is insane however, I'll always respect DB because main characters train their ass off compared to other Shounens.

I just wish Hiro would give some training montage at least once

But I won't go off topic anymore since we trailed off really hard

Gonna tag in some of our boys to give us their thoughts on which character they think is overrated and why @Jko @JK Network @Kiki

 

[grey matter]

Oh yeah jump in power in DBS is insane however, I'll always respect DB because main characters train their ass off compared to other Shounens.

I just wish Hiro would give some training montage at least once

But I won't go off topic anymore since we trailed off really hard

Gonna tag in some of our boys to give us their thoughts on which character they think is overrated and why @Jko @JK Network @Kiki

Any respect it has is because of original DB and DBz. Super is straight up aids

This is one of my main gripes as well. On top of the powerscaling in FT being exponential (worst way to do hype/set-up IMO), the way the "relevant characters" get these insane jumps is so random and inconsistent. They jump up tiers just because of the set up for hype in FT) is of exponential scaling.
There is a video I saw long back, which explains it much better than I'm doing (flat vs linear vs exponential power scaling). I'll link it if I find.

 

[Seven777]

But he still didn't make a serious effort to beat Natsu until thicket. I'm saying if he casted thicket in the beginning while he was still too fast for Natsu to react to, he would have very easily beaten him. Probably could have beaten DF Natsu before he got to use his new secret art too.

Thicket didn't do much damage because most of it missed. If Aldoron was actually aiming at a target, he would be able to skewer any individual the way he did to Natsu. Now Natsu wasn't oneshotted, but he had to burn away the thorns and drop into DF to continue the fight. I don't think anyone else is able to walk off getting impaled like that. Some might be able to turn intangible or put up a shield before they get hit, but again, at full power Aldoron's attacks are too fast.

I still think Aldoron could have very easily won if he simply hid the other 4 seeds or just used thicket from the beginning. Natsu would go down quickly, and then Aldoron could start picking off the other members with the main god seed. Or outlast them with thicket, because again I don't think FT are going to do enough damage to Aldoron before thicket picks them off. Even if thicket doesn't pick them off, they'll most likely be forced to run away. It's not like Wendy could enchant everyone's power into Natsu, or his to others, with him being stuck miles underground. They could try combining doing it without Natsu, but honestly I think giant Gajeel was already a stronger bet.

Needing serious effort to beat a character is kinda my point.

Sure, but it’s unlikely that he can aim that attack, to Aldaron they’re literally fleas, it’s probably why he needs the seeds.

Sounds logical, but it’s not what Aldaron did, I’m not a fan of the PiS argument and it may not even have saved him. Mest and Warren could have found Natsu if they weren’t busy and without the other seeds the full might of Fairy Tail would haves rained down on the main seed, including 4 DS Natsu, IMO he wouldn’t have a chance. As for giant Gajeel, I don’t even have him above what 2 DS Natsu could do(as in he gets outside magic)

 

[GL_Nova]

Why do people ignore that Gildarts was shown to have trained Natsu during the time skip? That would explain any growth he has quite easily.

 

[Jko]

Larcade is wack. Third strongest Spriggan my ass. Only thing good he had was pleasure and everything else was easily resisted by Sting. His stats were pretty bad too as he got beat up by Base Sting. Getting beat up by Base Sting is worse than getting beat up by Kiria. People overrate his ability bcs he two fingered Kagura's blade, but most people forget that Kagura is fodder as she was taken out by Tenrou Erza level lol. He was false hype like that weakling Jeimma in Tartarus.

Jellal - for several reasons. Has 'versatility', easily the most overrated thing ever when you don't use it. Secondly this dude, with practically no post-skip feats at the time, beat the GOAT Laxus in a tournament here And finally, his character arc... I used to be blind to how much of a simp he is coz I liked his magic. But there's nothing for me to latch onto in terms of his character, nothing that inspires or interests me. His might be one of the more lackluster redemption/guilt stories I've ever encountered.

Just gonna use this for Jellal bcs I think people (Jellal fans) would be straight up offended if I got into the topic know as Jellal wank.

August. Peeps think he can take down Zeref and other top tier mages easily. August ain't ready to learn about the belt from his Daddy.

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Oh yeah Mard Geer bcs people think he can take a Spriggan on despite the clear power creep between Alvarez and Tartarus.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Any respect it has is because of original DB and DBz. Super is straight up aids

This is one of my main gripes as well. On top of the powerscaling in FT being exponential (worst way to do hype/set-up IMO), the way the "relevant characters" get these insane jumps is so random and inconsistent. They jump up tiers just because of the set up for hype in FT) is of exponential scaling.
There is a video I saw long back, which explains it much better than I'm doing (flat vs linear vs exponential power scaling). I'll link it if I find.

Nah, don't bother.

I hate power scaling videos and I lose all respect for those people.

I think you can create a thread called Problem with Power Scaling or something so you can explain that there though.

I don't want to turn this into pure power level thread.

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@Zelefomavis @sharkai quit stalking and get your lazy asses here and give us your thoughts

 

[Zelefomavis]

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@Zelefomavis @sharkai quit stalking and get your lazy asses here and give us your thoughts

Damn, getting called out lmao

I voted for :

• Mirajane : Obviously. Her feats are always blown out of proportion, and don't get me wrong, I think she is in FT's top tier, just definitely not as high as some make her out to be (no she can't "Macro GG" anyone).

•Gray : his overatedness calmed down a bit since he's been done quite dirty in the sequel. I still remember the day where he was wanked with fear.

•Elfman : Kind of same as Mira. He gets off-screen fights and some like to make the most favourable interpretation. It's the Strauss formula I guess.


The fact that Mira got 2x the votes of the 3rd most voted overrated character, and Gray 1.5x is giving me life


PS : y'all who voted for Brandish. I see your names. I won't forget

 

[IL 10]

Team Natsu tend to overshadow everyone else with their screentime, especially Natsu and Erza.

Laxus and Jellybean. The later is given too much benefit of doubt compared to most other characters.

Mira can be both overrated and underrated to the point that it's funny.

 

[aymen24]

Why do people ignore that Gildarts was shown to have trained Natsu during the time skip? That would explain any growth he has quite easily.

when did this happen!!
Natsu only met him on his way
Natsu just challenged him
Then he scared and stopped.

 

[Axiomus]

Needing serious effort to beat a character is kinda my point.

Sure, but it’s unlikely that he can aim that attack, to Aldaron they’re literally fleas, it’s probably why he needs the seeds.

Sounds logical, but it’s not what Aldaron did, I’m not a fan of the PiS argument and it may not even have saved him. Mest and Warren could have found Natsu if they weren’t busy and without the other seeds the full might of Fairy Tail would haves rained down on the main seed, including 4 DS Natsu, IMO he wouldn’t have a chance. As for giant Gajeel, I don’t even have him above what 2 DS Natsu could do(as in he gets outside magic)

I meant serious effort as in that Aldoron didn't really try to kill Natsu. I don't think Aldoron went all out when he first thicketed Natsu either.

The god seed can aim thicket though. He just has to drag people into the throne room and pick them off one by one. Could Mest and Warren have found Natsu? I'm not sure how long Warren's telepathic range is. Even if they could have eventually figured out his location, Aldoron would have already defeated Natsu by then. If the other seeds were safely hidden away then even DF Natsu or 4DS Natsu may not necessarily make a difference, because Aldoron's attacks would still be too fast for Natsu to react to. He'll have to keep burning them off after they impale him, and I don't imagine he would last very long.

 

[sharkai]

@Zelefomavis @sharkai quit stalking and get your lazy asses here and give us your thoughts

Ouch!
should have expected this from @Jean Grey

i already voted.
i think August is the most overrated. feats are given to him nillywilly. difference between august vs laxus and jellal and irene vs laxus and jellal shows this.
and of course, fan favorite gets over hyped (and to be fan favorite you need minimum panels possible, looking at mystogan here).
the characters with more panels get hated and underrated (people tend to not like ass pulls too much, even though its pretty much fairy tail theme now).

and yes, i agree, gildarts power was retconned for alverzec. he was above bluenote in tenrou, but far below alverzec natsu.

 

[Seven777]

I meant serious effort as in that Aldoron didn't really try to kill Natsu. I don't think Aldoron went all out when he first thicketed Natsu either.

The god seed can aim thicket though. He just has to drag people into the throne room and pick them off one by one. Could Mest and Warren have found Natsu? I'm not sure how long Warren's telepathic range is. Even if they could have eventually figured out his location, Aldoron would have already defeated Natsu by then. If the other seeds were safely hidden away then even DF Natsu or 4DS Natsu may not necessarily make a difference, because Aldoron's attacks would still be too fast for Natsu to react to. He'll have to keep burning them off after they impale him, and I don't imagine he would last very long.

i haven’t seen anything from Aldaron that suggests he had anything better, even when faced with DF Natsu it was just more of the same.

I don't see why not, Warren could track August and Jacob across a country, and Mest can teleport across Aldaron. Finding Natsu should be cake
Aldaron might have defeated base Natsu by then, DF or FDK Natsu are a different story, not that it’d take time to get to him for Mest.
4 DS Natsu? IMO he could burn them off indefinitely, certainly until he crushes Aldaron. Plus he has the rest of FT backing him up, they could even pull the old Fairy Sphere/Dragon Slayer combo and separate Aldaron from his God Seed, they could pick and choose which one to kill. I doubt they’d even incur losses in the battle honestly

 

[Demon Hunter]

Damn, getting called out lmao

I voted for :

• Mirajane : Obviously. Her feats are always blown out of proportion, and don't get me wrong, I think she is in FT's top tier, just definitely not as high as some make her out to be (no she can't "Macro GG" anyone).

•Gray : his overatedness calmed down a bit since he's been done quite dirty in the sequel. I still remember the day where he was wanked with fear.

•Elfman : Kind of same as Mira. He gets off-screen fights and some like to make the most favourable interpretation. It's the Strauss formula I guess.


The fact that Mira got 2x the votes of the 3rd most voted overrated character, and Gray 1.5x is giving me life


PS : y'all who voted for Brandish. I see your names. I won't forget

Ouch!
should have expected this from @Jean Grey

i already voted.
i think August is the most overrated. feats are given to him nillywilly. difference between august vs laxus and jellal and irene vs laxus and jellal shows this.
and of course, fan favorite gets over hyped (and to be fan favorite you need minimum panels possible, looking at mystogan here).
the characters with more panels get hated and underrated (people tend to not like ass pulls too much, even though its pretty much fairy tail theme now).

and yes, i agree, gildarts power was retconned for alverzec. he was above bluenote in tenrou, but far below alverzec natsu.

See

It's fun

Zelefomavis-kun, once Brandish gets a serious fight, I'll officially apologise so give me a chance

 

[Axiomus]

i haven’t seen anything from Aldaron that suggests he had anything better, even when faced with DF Natsu it was just more of the same.

I don't see why not, Warren could track August and Jacob across a country, and Mest can teleport across Aldaron. Finding Natsu should be cake
Aldaron might have defeated base Natsu by then, DF or FDK Natsu are a different story, not that it’d take time to get to him for Mest.
4 DS Natsu? IMO he could burn them off indefinitely, certainly until he crushes Aldaron. Plus he has the rest of FT backing him up, they could even pull the old Fairy Sphere/Dragon Slayer combo and separate Aldaron from his God Seed, they could pick and choose which one to kill. I doubt they’d even incur losses in the battle honestly

Aldoron had a punch that did a bunch of damage to DF Natsu when they clashed, and more of the same is really all that was needed. He could have just as easily kept thicket going instead of walking away.

I think Aldoron would have defeated DF Natsu if he wasn't weakened. His attacks were too fast for Natsu to perceive. Even if Natsu could burn them, it would only be after they've already impaled him. Natsu would just keep getting impaled. And really, Mest would have to teleport in, grab Natsu, and immediately teleport out. Otherwise Mest will get impaled too.

How would they separate the seed from Aldoron? The chamber is located in the middle of Aldoron's body. I suppose they could try to cast Sphere around the seed, but that would involve teleporting everyone inside the chamber. That makes them all targets that the seed can actually aim at, so how are they all going to to link hands to cast Fairy Sphere before Aldoron picks off the major players?