Discussion Mser Tier list

[mathematicianrcg]

The statement on Doubles pro being strongest pair comes from Konomi himself in the interview.

So yes, I do need actual proof from the story.

For example, I always consider Kintarou to be equal to Ryoma, but before his upgrade in NPoT, I always concede that based on what is shown in the story, his showing of being equal to Ryoma in semi-final makes it unlikely that he can beat Sanada and maybe even Atobe. And when there's vs topic I would have vote as such.

Switzerland manage to beat Japan 3-0, which is a feats that no other national team have ever done and I highly doubt Spain will be able to do. There are certain match up and stuff that may change the results of the match completely, sure. But Switzerland seemed kinda underrated here. For example, Seigaku could beat Hyoutei pretty handily without retarded line-up that they used in the national. Maybe something similar happen to Switzerland when they lost there too. Who knows?

And many people on this forum still views Germany as a stronger team than Japan although they actually lost. Wouldn't that mean Switzerland can be stronger team than America although they lost as well?

You can backread some of my posts. And I am also one of the few posters kinda high on Switzerland.

Their results are tricky though. They beat Japan 3-0 sure. But they also lost to Australia and USA (though both 2-3).

I think Matchup and Lineup is a big thing in the results.

I mean we are not even sure they used Tatsuta VS USA. And he is hyped as same level as Amadeus. (some implies Tatsuta played Doubles with another MS VS Dodo/MS, but we are not 100% sure yet)

If I am Switzerland, I would have pair Peter and Henri still in doubles, since they excel at that the most.Then The Power Doubles Pair of Randy/Albert.
And Put Amadeus, Tatsuta, and whoever their next best singles player is.

But As I said USA outsmarted their lineup. I wouldn't take away that from USA though. USA is also strong, to the point Ryoma said USA will beat Japan during pre WC time. (though Ryoga and Ryoma was in US that time)

As for "stronger team". Do we mean Best 7 Vs Best 7 players? Or we go to the depth of the team?

Because some teams may have strong best 7 players then a drop from there. I am not sure about this.

As for Switzerland, I imagine them as deep as even their bench players are no slouch.

Japan will obviously win the whole thing. Does that make them the Strongest team? Probably.

I think Spain will be stronger than Germany, USA, and Swiss though.

I am really looking forward to Spain playing

@-Ken- actually I just reread Bismarck VS Tanegashima. Yeah, Bismarck get the best of Tanegashima on that 1 set. And Bismarck, unlike his teammates have no like crazy power like techniques (I mean like Volknado and Ultimate Zone and Ultimate Quality). But he has his own style. I personally don't think he is better than QP though. Just my personal opinion.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

We all know cause of Nanjiroh Genes that Ryoma and Ryoga are or will be the Strongest Msers in the Tournament when its all said and done.

But aside from them, who do you think is the strongest Mser?

Is It Kintarou who is being hyped now because of his spectacular play against Mares/Seda?

Is it still Tezuka?

Or Players Like Atobe and Romeo should be in the Conversation???

Who do you think is the strongest Non Echizen Mser in the Tournament?

 

[LetalHawk]

In the end I think it’ll be it like this:

1. Ryoma
2. Ryoga
3. Tezuka ~Kin
4. Atobe
5. Romeo


Tezuka and Kin have arguably good arguments for a tie in the third place. One advantage for Kin is that his TnK is stronger and he can maintain it for the whole match as long as he has the right motivation and desire, and Tezuka seemingly can’t do that.

Romeo is still above seda for me. Seda is strong but Romeo overall has more broken moves and I see Seda struggling with Materializar as his mental isn’t nowhere as good as Atobe’s.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

In the end I think it’ll be it like this:

1. Ryoma
2. Ryoga
3. Tezuka ~Kin
4. Kin
5. Romeo


Tezuka and Kin have arguably good arguments for a tie in the third place. One advantage for Kin is that his TnK is stronger and he can maintain it for the whole match as long as he has the right motivation and desire, and Tezuka seemingly can’t do that.

Romeo is still above seda for me. Seda is strong but Romeo overall has more broken moves and I see Seda struggling with Materializar as his mental isn’t nowhere as good as Atobe’s.

Interesting. How about atobe?

You have Romeo above Atobe?

So it is like

6. Atobe
7. Seda

For you????

Also Akutsu and Fuji?!!!

 

[LetalHawk]

Interesting. How about atobe?

You have Romeo above Atobe?

So it is like

6. Atobe
7. Seda

For you????

Also Akutsu and Fuji?!!!

Omg I screwed up hahaha. Redoing it again.

I have Atobe above Fuji honestly.

 

[ShadowHeart]

In the end I think it’ll be it like this:

1. Ryoma
2. Ryoga
3. Tezuka ~Kin
4. Atobe
5. Romeo


Tezuka and Kin have arguably good arguments for a tie in the third place. One advantage for Kin is that his TnK is stronger and he can maintain it for the whole match as long as he has the right motivation and desire, and Tezuka seemingly can’t do that.

Romeo is still above seda for me. Seda is strong but Romeo overall has more broken moves and I see Seda struggling with Materializar as his mental isn’t nowhere as good as Atobe’s.

No chance is Tezuka above Atobe and Romeo. Romeo was consider his equal even before his power up. And Atobe is at a tier where he could walk over that lvl.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Omg I screwed up hahaha. Redoing it again.

I have Atobe above Fuji honestly.

Oh. Dont let us hanging bro. Hahaha

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No chance is Tezuka above Atobe and Romeo. Romeo was consider his equal even before his power up. And Atobe is at a tier where he could walk over that lvl.

There is a chance.

Atobe powerup has a time limit.

Romeo might have more hax. But he will struggle against Tezuka's Zone and Phantom too. Let alone Ultimate Zone. He doesnt have any counter for that.

Tezuka/Atobe/Romeo are most likely equal at this point

 

[ShadowHeart]

It's mentioned after the Atobe vs Romeo there the strongest MS

 

[mathematicianrcg]

It's mentioned after the Atobe vs Romeo there the strongest MS

Lol. We know that is false. Ryoga is a Mser too. Lmao

 

[ShadowHeart]

Lol. We know that is false. Ryoga is a Mser too. Lmao

Either way it's clear Konomi sees Atobe and Romeo stronger than Tezuka

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As for my top 5 MS Ryoma, Ryoga, Kintarou, Atobe and Romeo.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Either way it's clear Konomi sees Atobe and Romeo stronger than Tezuka

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As for my too 5 MS Ryoma, Ryoga, Kintarou, Atobe and Romeo.

Anyways, Tezuka will be stronger in the future. Because he will win Wimbledon
Lol.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Anyways, Tezuka will be stronger in the future. Because he will win Wimbledon
Lol.

So you think Tezuka will be stronger than Ryoga? Who's to say Atobe or Romeo played in that tournament?

 

[mathematicianrcg]

So you think Tezuka will be stronger than Ryoga? Who's to say Atobe or Romeo played in that tournament?

Nah. Ryoga probably wont play any major tourney. Lol.

Maybe yes. Maybe no. Who knows. Lol
(If Atobe or Romeo plays)

Anyways, I see Romeo, Atobe, and Tezuka are equals now.

You are kinda implying Atobe and Romeo are significantly stronger than Tezuka. I am not sure about that.

Heck, Even Akutsu has an argument. Proved by Akutsu VS Atobe thread back here.

Also, Kintarou have better showings. Is Kintarou above Tezuka/Atobe/Romeo right now???

Or not, because we never read line like "Kintarou is strongest Mser right now"

 

[ShadowHeart]

Nah. Ryoga probably wont play any major tourney. Lol.

Maybe yes. Maybe no. Who knows. Lol
(If Atobe or Romeo plays)

Anyways, I see Romeo, Atobe, and Tezuka are equals now.

You are kinda implying Atobe and Romeo are significantly stronger than Tezuka. I am not sure about that.

Heck, Even Akutsu has an argument. Proved by Akutsu VS Atobe thread back here.

Also, Kintarou have better showings. Is Kintarou above Tezuka/Atobe/Romeo right now???

Or not, because we never read line like "Kintarou is strongest Mser right now"

Not significantly but I do think Atobe and Romeo are stronger than Tezuka. I also think Kintarou is stronger than all 3.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Not significantly but I do think Atobe and Romeo are stronger than Tezuka. I also think Kintarou is stronger than all 3.

Wow. Kintarou Level 2 TNK really make him viewed as QP Level. Not bad.

He skyrocketed Tezuka, Atobe, Romeo, Yukimura, Sanada, Fuji in an instant. Hehe

 

[LetalHawk]

Wow. Kintarou Level 2 TNK really make him viewed as QP Level. Not bad.

He skyrocketed Tezuka, Atobe, Romeo, Yukimura, Sanada, Fuji in an instant. Hehe

And Shiraishi was saying that he has no chance against Ryoma in singles before his current upgrade. Ryoma’s powerup is going to be ridículous.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

And Shiraishi was saying that he has no chance against Ryoma in singles before his current upgrade. Ryoma’s powerup is going to be ridículous.

I mean. He needed to. If he wants to beat Ryoga. Lol

Based on what I am seeing

Seems like Nanjiro is still stronger than Ryoga and Ryoma.

I wonder if Nanjiro can use Consume.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

END OF POT RANKINGS

1. Ryoma
2. Yukimura
3. Tezuka/Sanada/Atobe
4. Tezuka/Sanada/Atobe
5. Tezuka/Sanada/Atobe
(Tezuka>Atobe>Sanada>Tezuka as implied)
6. Kintarou
7. Fuji
8. Shiraishi
9. Akutsu
10. Yanagi
11. Kite

END OF NPOT

1. Ryoma
2. Kintarou
3. Tezuka/Atobe
4. Tezuka/Atobe
5. Yukimura (Hax over Fuji)
6. Fuji
7. Akutsu
8. Sanada
9 . Shiraishi
10. Yanagi
11. Kite

 

[mathematicianrcg]

END OF POT RANKINGS

1. Ryoma
2. Yukimura
3. Tezuka/Sanada/Atobe
4. Tezuka/Sanada/Atobe
5. Tezuka/Sanada/Atobe
(Tezuka>Atobe>Sanada>Tezuka as implied)
6. Kintarou
7. Fuji
8. Shiraishi
9. Akutsu
10. Yanagi
11. Kite

END OF NPOT

1. Ryoma
2. Kintarou
3. Tezuka/Atobe
4. Tezuka/Atobe
5. Yukimura (Hax over Fuji)
6. Fuji
7. Akutsu
8. Sanada
9 . Shiraishi
10. Yanagi
11. Kite

Basically, Kintarou, Tezuka, and Atobe surpassed Yukimura.

Fuji surpassed Sanada.

Shiraishi, Yanagi, and Kite stayed at the bottom.

Akutsu is boosted to above Sanada

Ryoma is always #1.

 

[-Ken-]

Everyone in Japan 2 years from now will be OP. Except for Sengoku. In fact, how the hell he made the lineup. Lmao

Well, Yagyuu/Niouu (without illusions) too. But at least they are doubles specialists.

Btw, how many Rikkaidai Alumni will be there in Tokyo team?

Mouri, Yukimura, Sanada, Akaya, Niouu, and Yagyuu (replaced Marui basically). 6 players. Hehe

Sengoku isn't that bad. He 6-1 Ryoma but we also knows that is like how much Irie who is a G5 level beat kaji.

It might not look like it but Sengoku could be G10 level already.

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I also need to add that Sengoku and Oshitari being possible G10 level as a whole is actually possible.

I know Inui and Momo actually beat 2nd tier 1st stringer. Yet, they are not chosen as part of the replacement despite being in Australia. That means Sengoku and Oshitari is most likely also capable of beating 2nd tier 1st stringer.

And I know it's been a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time since then, but do remember that 2nd tier 1st stringer ARE NOT weak, especially by PoT original series standards.

3rd court alone have people that is capable of fighting on par with top tier players from the original series like Tachibana/Chitose/Tezuka. And again, the series also stated that each court (above 5th court) is a substantial difference in level or something. 2nd court is stomp over, and 1st court entirely skip over but we know those first court lost to 2nd tier stringer completely and they don't stand a chance. That is a court 2 court above 3rd court.

So again, 2nd tier 1st stringer are actually strong, and some player like Inui and Momoshiro is confirm to be on their level, and yet not chosen over Sengoku and Oshitari.

Oshitari prove himself in his match with Atobe.

Sengoku score might look bad, but you also need to consider this is the Ryoma that fight on par with Ryoga BEFORE the devour. This Ryoma is already G5 level, regardless of how some fans might think Ryoma is super weak.