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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

ok so basically you just have to cry uncle

i still chalk up izanami as uchiha hax
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

No... its not ;p

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/6

Itachi clearly said what needs to be done to escape the loop.

"You have to acknowledge your results and stop trying to run away" In other words: you have to stop fighting the technique.

That whole crap about "knowing yourself" only applies to Kabuto because he thought of himself as invincible and perfect... a lie he convinced himself off. Thus by surrendering to Izanami he is forced to acknowledge the fact that he's been lying to himself and that there are things he can't do on his own.

It has absolutely nothing to do with being good or bad.
But clearly itachi already admitted that izanami can't really be used during in an actual fight. Because specifically, the izanami is just a counter jutsu fro izanagi.
 
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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

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But clearly itachi already admitted that izanami can't really be used during in an actual fight. Because specifically, the izanami is just a counter jutsu fro izanagi.
He didn't say it couldn't be used during a fight. He said that no one would use it during a fight because it has a guaranteed way of escaping it. You don't use techniques against an opponent that are both non lethal, and has a sure-fire way of escaping it. On top of that, it wastes an eye to use it.

Izanami can be used against any opponent, and just because it's easy to escape once you figure out how, it can't be escaped at all if you don't know what it takes to get out.
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

But clearly itachi already admitted that izanami can't really be used during in an actual fight. Because specifically, the izanami is just a counter jutsu fro izanagi.
Nope, he said its not really suited for combat because there's a risk of the opponent getting out of the jutsu. A risk isn't a certainty though... without any prior knowledge the chances of someone actually figuring out how to get out of that loop right of the bat would be slim at best.
 
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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Nope, he said its not really suited for combat because there's a risk of the opponent getting out of the jutsu. A risk isn't a certainty though... without any prior knowledge the chances of someone actually figuring out how to get out of that loop right of the bat would be slim at best.
It seems to me that the izanami is some sort of purgatory. :derp It cleanses the soul before going to heaven or their incarnation or whatever that is. :zomg So the reason why itachi used that to kabuto is for him to cleansed his behavior or to accept who he was.

So using the izanami for the likes of hiruzen, minato, jiraiya, hashirama or anyone else who had an opposite behavior of kabuto/oro/madara is kinda useless, i think.

Well, itachi said that the izanami is used to teach anyone not to rely on jutsu but to accept their own destiny. So with that, that jutsu is specifically for the likes of kabuto/oro/madara/obito.

It's looks like a bad boy couldn't escape the izanami until he'll become a good boy.
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

It's looks like a bad boy couldn't escape the izanami until he'll become a good boy.
If only "good boys" could get out of the technique then why would it be unusable in combat? A good boy wouldn't harm you, wouldn't he? Besides the fact that terms like "good" and "evil" are highly subjective... to Nagato Konoha was evil, while Konoha viewed Nagato as evil.

You've said it yourself: To get out of Izanami you have to accept the fact that you can't rely on your power/jutsu... none of your techniques will help you to get out of that loop. Only accepting your fate can get you out... which in other words means you get out once you realize you can't force your way out. The moment you stop opposing the illusion, it will dissolve.

It would actually work especially well against that "will of fire" brigade with their stubborn "never give up, no matter the odds!" mindset. Its tailormade to trap such guys for all eternity.
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

If only "good boys" could get out of the technique then why would it be unusable in combat? A good boy wouldn't harm you, wouldn't he? Besides the fact that terms like "good" and "evil" are highly subjective... to Nagato Konoha was evil, while Konoha viewed Nagato as evil.

You've said it yourself: To get out of Izanami you have to accept the fact that you can't rely on your power/jutsu... none of your techniques will help you to get out of that loop. Only accepting your fate can get you out... which in other words means you get out once you realize you can't force your way out. The moment you stop opposing the illusion, it will dissolve.

It would actually work especially well against that "will of fire" brigade with their stubborn "never give up, no matter the odds!" mindset. Its tailormade to trap such guys for all eternity.
That's why itachi said that the uchiha created the izanami to save or punish their fellow uchiha who used the izanagi.(or something like that) So basically, the izanami is some sort of cleanser of the uchiha's behavior. But now that itachi used the izanami to kabuto, he clearly wants to cleansed kabuto's mindset/behavior.

From what i understand to itachi's statement, It isn't just about on stop opposing the illusion to dissolve the very jutsu, but rather on how you stop deceiving yourself for a destiny that wasn't meant for you.

By accepting yourself, or for kabuto, if he stop on deceiving himself that he isn't orocchimaru, that all of his powers wasn't him to begin with. Then that jutsu will dissolve. He denied his destiny as kabuto and try to change it to become the second orochimaru. That kind of mindset and behavior fits for the iznami.

But ofcourse, that's just my interpretation.:^_^
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

akatsuki was on the loose at the con I went to this weekend....:o
look at this deviant I caught in the act of evilness....




:lmao

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Nope, he said its not really suited for combat because there's a risk of the opponent getting out of the jutsu. A risk isn't a certainty though... without any prior knowledge the chances of someone actually figuring out how to get out of that loop right of the bat would be slim at best.
thay and it comes at a hefty price

no uchiha wants to close a sharingan mid-fight or at all i would imagine
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

thay and it comes at a hefty price

no uchiha wants to close a sharingan mid-fight or at all i would imagine
Ofcourse they don't
But still except for Itachi i haven't seen any Uchiha (Don't count Kakashi in) trying to finish the fight ASAP.

---------- Post added at 09:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 AM ----------

oopppsss My Bad... never saw the context :(
In case of Izanami it is a tricky technique , no one break the loop Unless he figures how to end this technique and as we have seen with Kabuto, said person will be standing still , so one can kill that person easily .
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Am....I the first one to notice this (if I'm not pardon for being so slow :p )
that Kurama's eyes are a part of and connected to his ears?
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/572/10
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

It would have been amazing if we at least saw some girl Uchihas kicking asses...oh more of like the sexy Kurenai with those red eyes (oh she specializes in genjutsu)...just a thought...
 
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It would have been amazing if we at least saw some girl Uchihas kicking asses...oh more of like the sexy Kurenai with those red eyes (oh she specializes in genjutsu)...just a thought...
yes i agree, i want to see a female uchiha with susano o !!!
 

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yes i agree, i want to see a female uchiha with susano o !!!
.Yeah that would be freaking awesome. .what a great time for girl badassing...well imagination strikes ...
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

INVITATION

Hi there. We are starting the collective reading of Vagrant Soldier Ares next August 5th. If you are interested here the details:

Collective Reading of VAGRANT SOLDIER ARES by Ryu Keum Cheo



Hi there,

Do you want to read with us this interesting and already complete manwha? Here we will begin a collective reading of it in next August 7th. So, if you're interested let us know and join the reading and the discussion. Next, you'll find some introductory reviews of this manhwa and, since it's important to get an agreement about schedule and other stuffs, some notes on the rules we could adopt in the reading.

Reviews:

Review written by Zellogan and edited by Weixiaobao here in MH

Title: Ares
Genres: Epic, adventure
Author: RYU Geum Chel
Artist: RYU Geum Chel
Start Date: 2001
End Date: 2007
Number of chapters at review: 109
Number of chapters read by reviewer: 109

Category Ratings: (1-10 scale)


Art: 8.5
It's a manhwa, the art is already a little different because of that. The design and the overall style is atypical. It's clean, not overcharged by details, it's easy to figure out what's going out during a fight. It's dynamic and fluid. We can also clearly see the different emotions on characters face. I join an image: the three heroes: baroona, ares and mickael (from left to right).
img149.imageshack.us/img149/3664/aresv02c10001002za5.jpg


Plot: 8
It's an epic manhwa. So, there is war, betrayal, dramatic twists, ... It's kind of a light "berserk". The story is about three abnormaly talented boys who can easily destroy 30 soldiers by themselves. Each of them have an intersting past. Even if it's a shounen, death is very present and everyone can die at every moment. The story becomes darker and darker volume after volume.


Characters: 8
The story is about three characters. But the main character is an odd young boy named Ares. He's incredibly skilled and look carefree even if he have a dramatic past. He's the kind of guy who attract others around him. He enjoy fighting (even killing) but he is not emotionless. He look frail and no one can expect him to be this strong. He doesn't seem very reliable either. He is not dumb or smart.

Michael is the second of the three talented young boys. Michael is much more secret and don't talk a lot. He is very proud and he is probably one of the smartest guy in the manhwa. Michael have a dark side and is emotionless most of the time.

The third character Baroona is less important than the two first ones. But it's possible that he becomes more important later.

There are a lot of secondary characters in the manga.


Themes: 7
Everything turns around war, friendship, betrayal, revenge, ... It's about what you expect from an epic manhwa


Originality: 6
The originality comes from the design. The story is not original but it's still very well done. Originality could have been a 10 if there wasn't a manga called "BERSERK".


Overall: 9
One of my favorite manga/manhwa and it's almost unknown (probably because it's Korean). It's problably one of the top5 manhwa ever done. In my personal "top 10 best manga ever", i have two manhwa: shin angyo onshi and ares.

If you like berserk or claymore, if you like epic mangas with war, you need to read this one.

Short note from wiki:

Vagrant Soldier Ares (떠돌이 용병 아레스) is a Korean manhwa written and drawn by Ryu Kum-chel. The story centers around young swordsman Ares and takes place in a world similar to Ancient Rome.
The manhwa is noted for fluid, dynamic action and subtle anachronism. For example, Ares wears shoes in the style of classic Adidas.



Where to read:

Batoto, mangahere, mangareader, etc...




Rules for the collective reading

Initial schedule:​
  • Discussion about the rules of the collective reading: from July 29th to August 5th.
  • Reading to begin in August 7th.

Initial proposal for the rules:​
Ares has 207 chapter of 20-30 pages each, divided in 26 volumes of 9 chapters more or less. So here some possible schedules:
  • fast pace: 2 volumes per week (like 20 chapters per week)
  • medium pace: a volume per week (like 10 chapters per week)
  • slow pace: half volume per week (like 4 to 5 chapters per week)

My initial vote would go to the medium pace. It would be a good initial pace to know if the comic is good for everyone or not. After two weeks we could agree on increasing or decreasing the pace (or even aborting the reading if we want to).

We could begin the reading of each new group of chapters on Wednesday and post our impressions, reviews, or simple notes about the respective volume in the respective week.

There it is. Everybody is very welcome to join! :-)

the thread for the collective reading is located here. If you want to participate post your intention there as well as your ideas about the pace and other rules.
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

yes i agree, i want to see a female uchiha with susano o !!!
Forget that, a female Uchiha fighting would be enough tbh. It saddens me that we may never see Kushina fight or a pure Uzumaki (without Nagatos hax) fight.
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Forget that, a female Uchiha fighting would be enough tbh. It saddens me that we may never see Kushina fight or a pure Uzumaki (without Nagatos hax) fight.
well , i would have liked to see more of minato/kakashi/obito/rin fighting too

as i would have liked to see the RS in action, and liked to see hashirama in action more

but the story isnt about them....
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

well , i would have liked to see more of minato/kakashi/obito/rin fighting too

as i would have liked to see the RS in action, and liked to see hashirama in action more

but the story isnt about them....
Hmmm Obito might oblige your wish :D
 

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Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Hmmm Obito might oblige your wish :D
Would be dark if Obito was to revive Rin (not sure why he never did before) only for her to ask where Kakashi is :teehee
 
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