Semifinal Natsu vs August

[Pheromone]

Cana isn't as strong as Natsu... unless that doesn't matter... Natsu can win simply because he has an attack that can kill August.

As did Gildarts. We all know how that went.

I guess I am unfair to extrapolate it out to Acnologia since he's above August, but meh you went absurdly low (Cobra) so I went absurdly high (Acno).

I went with canon.

You went with hypothetical on ad absurdum.



I'll stop, we're basically just shitposting now.

 

[Raven]

POF Natsu oneshots.
DF Natsu high diff.

Meh, Kinda sad seeing Natsu fans lose faith in this battle

Aside from Natsu fans who voted againted him. The rest deny the truth that Natsu is the strongest and comes up with assumptions. It is canon unless you think August > FH Zeref.

Can't wait to see him oneshot Acnologia, hopefully.

 

[Jko]

Natsu's bout to beat Acno in a couple chapters. I wonder if people will downplay Acnologia for losing to Natsu too

Natsu wins this mid-high diff. He can burn through any magic August produces and August can't copy his Dragon Slayer magic. Natsu burn through the fabric of time, and has burn through death with weaker flames. Those two feats are on reality altering level. He has shown feats of being the strongest in verse bar Acno (wait a couple chaps tho) so far. I don't see August beating FH Zeref so I dont see August winning especially when he can't copy Natsu's magic. People can continue downplaying Natsu for all I care but his feats trump August as Natsu >= FH Zeref > August.

 

[Pheromone]

The rest deny the truth that Natsu is the strongest and comes up with assumptions. It is canon unless you think August > FH Zeref.

Nah, we actually consider context and magic countertypes instead of mindlessly reducing fights to power-level fests. Hence why the consensus overwhelmingly leans toward August.

Assuming that August's Copy Magic won't work against Natsu is nice, fat assumption that no one's here been able to offer a serious argument for.

Feel free to enlighten us with your "truth."

 

[Jko]

Natsu has zero DSM magic to his disposal so all he has his regular hand to hand combat. He can't burn anything if he has no magic to burn things with. Gildarts' Absolute Heaven that he used on August only worked cause of his prosthetic arm. Natsu is all flesh and bones big homie.

August has not once shown to use DSM and never shown to copy anything near it. I wondering where you guys think Natsu only can use fisticuffs when his main magic can't be copied in the first place. The guy couldn't even copy Cana's card magic yet he's supposed to copy a lost magic that can only be obtained by a Dragon?

Not to mention Natsu >= FH Zeref. FH Zeref is stronger than August so I'm wondering how August is going to beat someone who has the ability to burn through logic itself i.e. time?

I know Natsu has a lot of dislike on this forum but dang he's about to beat the strongest guy in the verse just after he beat the second strongest guy in the verse. At least respect his feats.

Saying August can copy DSM is like saying he can copy Acno's or Igneel's magic. He can't.

 

[Demon Hunter]

eh August knows Crash magic, Fairy Glitter, Jellal' magic, OS magic etc.

he stomps hard.

 

[Raven]

Nah, we actually consider context instead of mindlessly reducing fights to power-level fests.

Assuming that August's Copy Magic won't work against Natsu is nice, fat assumption that no one's here been able to offer a serious argument for.

Feel free to enlighten us with your "truth."

Assuming that August can copy Natsu's magic is fatter assumption and laughable. Caster or holder magic, August don't have the means to copy dragon slaying magic at this rate he will surpass Acnologia.

 

[Jko]

Nah, we actually consider context instead of mindlessly reducing fights to power-level fests.

Assuming that August's Copy Magic won't work against Natsu is nice, fat assumption that no one's here been able to offer a serious argument for.

Feel free to enlighten us with your "truth."

August has never once copied DSM. It's a fat assumption to say he can when he has no feats of doing such. August would've been on Acno's radar otherwise but he wasn't because Acno only cares about Zeref or Dragon Slayers. August can't copy complex magic that has specific requirements to use. He needs feats of doing it not assumptions of it.

 

[Takuan]

Natsu's bout to beat Acno in a couple chapters. I wonder if people will downplay Acnologia for losing to Natsu too

The Acnologia downplay already happened canonically when he got damaged by Ichiya's perfume and when he got rammed by a ship that was not supposed to be able to fly at all.
Natsu already made the unthinkable by beating FH Zeref. Him beating Acno, if that happens, would't even be surprising anymore and i don't think this would add any feats to him.


Also, for those who say Natsu wins against August because he won against FH Zeref, just bare in mind that A beating B and B being inferior to C on paper, doesn't mean A necessarily beats C.

 

[Jko]

The Acnologia downplay already happened canonically when he got damaged by Ichiya's perfume and when he got rammed by a ship that was not supposed to be able to fly at all.
Natsu already made the unthinkable by beating FH Zeref. Him beating Acno, if that happens, would't even be surprising anymore and i don't think this would add any feats to him.


Also, for those who say Natsu wins against August because he won against FH Zeref, just bare in mind that A beating B and B being inferior to C on paper, doesn't mean A necessarily beats C.

ABC logic does work as FH Zeref is out of August league. Even Irene admitted that only Zeref with FH is probably the only one on the S12 side that can match Acno in power. That means base Zeref is stronger than all the S12. FH Zeref is God tier level.

Acno was playing around to the max. Remember when a hurt Makarov stopped his assault on FT dead in his tracks? He could've swatted that put of their any time but he doesn't care for ants in his way. Not to mention he just defied the laws of nature by busting out of an imprisonment made from a paradox in time. His feats of nowhere near gone down.

 

[Pheromone]

Assuming that August can copy Natsu's magic is fatter assumption and laughable. Caster or holder magic, August don't have the means to copy dragon slaying magic at this rate he will surpass Acnologia.

August defeated Cobra, a Dragon Slayer. He also absorbed God Serena's DSM. His whole schtick was being able to copy Caster Type Magic. DSM is a Caster Type.

I wish I could take you seriously, but I can't if you refuse to offer any serious argument besides belittling other viewpoints.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

August has not once shown to use DSM and never shown to copy anything near it. I wondering where you guys think Natsu only can use fisticuffs when his main magic can't be copied in the first place. The guy couldn't even copy Cana's card magic yet he's supposed to copy a lost magic that can only be obtained by a Dragon?

Not to mention Natsu >= FH Zeref. FH Zeref is stronger than August so I'm wondering how August is going to beat someone who has the ability to burn through logic itself i.e. time?

I know Natsu has a lot of dislike on this fandom but dang he's about to beat the strongest guy in the verse just after he best the second strongest guy in the verse. At least respect his feats.

Saying August can copy DSM is like saying he can copy Acno's or Igneel's magic. He can't.

I"d like to point out there are other ways of getting DS, look at this :
During Tartaros, Franmalth was able to use LFDM through Absrobing the soul of the magic, and was able to use LFDM(which is DS) , I'll provide manga panels but you can also see it in the anime at episode 68 of Fairy Tail 2014

Spoiler: Panels

That proves there are other ways to get DS, August can copy All caster magic, and DS is caster magic, and now as you saw, there are other ways to gain DS, why wouldn't August copy it ?

And August wouldn't copy DS magic or else he'll be one of Acno's targets, who is able to kill him even if August copies Acno's Magic.

And I find it very bad that you use PoF and undoubtly BS reasons for Natsu to use as "feats".

 

[Jko]

I"d like to point out there are other ways of getting DS, look at this :
During Tartaros, Franmalth was able to use LFDM through Absrobing the soul of the magic, and was able to use LFDM(which is DS) , I'll provide manga panels but you can also see it in the anime at episode 68 of Fairy Tail 2014

Spoiler: Panels

That proves there are other ways to get DS, August can copy All caster magic, and DS is caster magic, and now as you saw, there are other ways to gain DS, why wouldn't August copy it ?

And August wouldn't copy DS magic or else he'll be one of Acno's targets, who is able to kill him even if August copies Acno's Magic.

And I find it very bad that you use PoF and undoubtly BS reasons for Natsu to use as "feats".

Franmelth absorbs souls of anything August doesn't. The two magics are different. And just absorbing elements doesn't given him slayer abilities. Was it ever stated he actually obtained Natsu's LFD magic because I don't ever remember him using an LFD attack.

August never knew Acno was after DS so he had no reason to not copy it.

 

[Pheromone]

August has never once copied DSM. It's a fat assumption to say he can when he has no feats of doing such. August would've been on Acno's radar otherwise but he wasn't because Acno only cares about Zeref or Dragon Slayers. August can't copy complex magic that has specific requirements to use. He needs feats of doing it not assumptions of it.

August defeated Cobra, a Dragon Slayer. He also absorbed God Serena's DSM. His whole schtick was being able to copy Caster Type Magic. DSM is a Caster Type.

The last statement was Mashima's way of informing the readers about the catch in August's magic, by having Gildarts, a seasoned mage, figure him out:

Given that statement, the burden of proof that DSM, a Caster-Type, can't be copied by August is on you.

Spoiler

The "material" needed is magic that is exerted through a mage's body, which is what Natsu's flames are.

 

[Hermit]

August defeated Cobra, a Dragon Slayer. He also absorbed God Serena's DSM. His whole schtick was being able to copy Caster Type Magic. DSM is a Caster Type.

I actually considered the Cobra thing, and realized that we only saw August copy the Hearing Magic. Even if we consider the fact that he copied Cobra's Poison magic, we haven't seen him use it, so I can say at best he just nullifies the magic. He doesn't necessarily need to replicate the element as long as he nullifies the opponent's attacks.
That being said though, the only reason Natsu loses here is that August is superior to him in every single way. Period. You can go into the semantics of how the fight plays out, but at the end of the day Natsu just has no means to take August down. I'm still iffy on August being able to copy Dragon Slayer magic, but Ill save that for when he meets Irene in the finals

 

[Takuan]

ABC logic does work as FH Zeref is out of August league. Even Irene admitted that only Zeref with FH is probably the only one on the S12 side that can match Acno in power. That means base Zeref is stronger than all the S12. FH Zeref is God tier level.

Acno was playing around to the max. Remember when a hurt Makarov stopped his assault on FT dead in his tracks? He could've swatted that put of their any time but he doesn't care for ants in his way. Not to mention he just defied the laws of nature by busting out of an imprisonment made from a paradox in time. His feats of nowhere near gone down.

B had an infinite magic and A overpowered him. How in the universe can C and inferior to B can actually win against A.

Alright i'll agree about Acno. PiS is what made him that ridiculous, just like FH Zeref. Because yes, FH Zeref if doing things properly would have let zero chance to Natsu. Unfortunately, in the manga a huge amount of PoF and Pis were in that fight, and keep in mind these are restricted in the tournament. August isn't gonna sit around letting Natsu punch him.

Anyway, about the ABC thing. B had an unlimited amount of power, that's right, however did his last attack (a mere punch) become unlimitedly strong or something like that? Not at all. At the end of the day this unlimited supply of magic didn't get anything done, aside from reversing himself when his body got owned.
August doesn't have an unlimited amount of Magic Power, but he doesn't need this, because he has the ability to copy and negate Natsu's magic, which is something Zeref couldn't do, FH or not. So no, my point still stands. Natsu's victory doesn't matter, he can't use his magic against August.

 

[EmberSpirit]

eh August knows Crash magic, Fairy Glitter, Jellal' magic, OS magic etc.

he stomps hard.

He can't stomp. Natsu stomps because knowing fodder magic is irrelevant. Natsu already beat the shit out of August's only hope of challenging Acnologia.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Franmelth absorbs souls of anything August doesn't. The two magics are different. And just absorbing elements doesn't given him slayer abilities. Was it ever stated he actually obtained Natsu's LFD magic because I don't ever remember him using an LFD attack.

Franmalth's curse showed that he can use the magic of the soul he absorbs, as shown with Hades' soul, and he absorbed LFDM, while you're right that Franmalth he hasn't used LFDM attacks, I don't see why he shouldn't since he did the same with Hades' soul.
The point of that post is to prove obtaining DS isn't always a lacrima/Dragon teaching it, and I believe August who is stated to copy ALL caster magic can copy DS magic, which is also Caster magic.

August never knew Acno was after DS so he had no reason to not copy it.

This I disagree with, and assuming August didn't know Acno's goal, Acno(after killing Serena) just said his objective "Only 7 left, until no Dragons are left", I doubt August who was like, 4 meters away didn't hear him. And August knows of how strong Acno is, which is why he stopped Jacob saying its an enemy they can't take. Had August copied the magic he'd get ripped apart like Serena.

 

[Raven]

August defeated Cobra, a Dragon Slayer. He also absorbed God Serena's DSM. His whole schtick was being able to copy Caster Type Magic. DSM is a Caster Type.

I wish I could take you seriously, but I can't if you refuse to offer any serious argument besides belittling other viewpoints.

August never sucked Serena's magic. If so, Historya Serena would have no magic to use.

Anyways you have no ground to say that. rofl

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That being said though, the only reason Natsu loses here is that August is superior to him in every single way. Period. You can go into the semantics of how the fight plays out, but at the end of the day Natsu just has no means to take August down. I'm still iffy on August being able to copy Dragon Slayer magic, but Ill save that for when he meets Irene in the finals

Then you think August > FH Zeref

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

August never sucked Serena's magic. If so, Historya Serena would have no magic to use.

Anyways you have no ground to say that. rofl

August doesn't absorb the magic and leave the other without it, he just copies it. If so, then Gildarts wouldn't be able to use Crash for example.