Semifinal Natsu vs August

[**Silver**]

August roflstomps

now I wait for someone to tell me how Natsu wins.

this is Obvious Natsu one-shots with Flaming emotions or whatewer shit Mashima can think off and ruin everyone day...

 

[Jko]

The last statement was Mashima's way of informing the readers about the catch in August's magic, by having Gildarts, a seasoned mage, figure him out:

Given that statement, the burden of proof that DSM, a Caster-Type, can't be copied by August is on you.

And that doesn't correlate to feats. August has never once use DSM or has shown to copy DSM. It was stated over and that DS magic is obtained through only two ways. If August could copy DS magic why didn't he? DS magic is the most effective way to take out Acno besides FH? So why didn't August just copy Serena's magic? If he did than Acno would've sought him out and killed him rather than walking away nonchalantly. August needs feats of copying magic that has requirements. He can't even copy Cana's card magic has it has requirements needed to use that magic.

 

[Hermit]

Then you think August > FH Zeref

Natsu used guild power to take down FH Zeref, not his own power.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Dargor]

In my opinion August will win this battle, like almost everyone else.
DS magic is just another "caster type", and whatever magic power Natsu or Acno has, it will be useless against him.
The fact that August said that he knows all the magic of this world except "one magic' (love). There is no reason for him to lose even to Acno and Zeref in a magical confrontation. But in hand-to-hand combat, the Acno is clearly stronger, and this is the only reason why August is weaker than him.
In general i think, thai if "A" is stronger than "B" and "B" is stronger than "C", then it is not necessary that "A">"C", due to special conditions.
Sorry for my bad English.

 

[EmberSpirit]

Natsu used guild power to take down FH Zeref, not his own power.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That is clearly a metaphor. Did anyone else from the guild confirmed that their power was transferring to Natsu's genki dama. DF Natsu did more damage anyway, so apart from burning time his last attack wasnt stronger than DF

 

[Demon Hunter]

heh Zeref let Natsu hit him with DF.

dude was bored when Natsu hit him while he was in fighting stance when he fought PoF Natsu.

its clear which is stronger.

 

[Jko]

Franmalth's curse showed that he can use the magic of the soul he absorbs, as shown with Hades' soul, and he absorbed LFDM, while you're right that Franmalth he hasn't used LFDM attacks, I don't see why he shouldn't since he did the same with Hades' soul.
The point of that post is to prove obtaining DS isn't always a lacrima/Dragon teaching it, and I believe August who is stated to copy ALL caster magic can copy DS magic, which is also Caster magic.


This I disagree with, and assuming August didn't know Acno's goal, Acno(after killing Serena) just said his objective "Only 7 left, until no Dragons are left", I doubt August who was like, 4 meters away didn't hear him. And August knows of how strong Acno is, which is why he stopped Jacob saying its an enemy they can't take. Had August copied the magic he'd get ripped apart like Serena.

So he can't use LFD which is what I was saying. He can use Natsu soul sure but that has nothing to do with copying magic. The soul curse absorbs souls to use their magic so he needs Natsu's soul to do it. Franmelth can't utilize Natsu's magic without his soul so again DS magic has never been copied. Copying magic just copies magic that doesn't have requirements. Franmelth's curse is not even comparable to August's magic either.

Only Irene knew of Acno s plan to eliminate the DS. August never knew, and he doesn't have enhance sense like Natsu to hear what Acno mumbled under his breath. He didn't even get why Acno was their in the first place and was stilled by fear so he definetely wasn't wasn't really hearing Acno. August knew this fight was to hear towards taking down Acno so why didn't he copy Serena's magic before the war? Why didn't he copy Serena's magic when he first met him years before the war? It's because he can't.

 

[Raven]

August doesn't absorb the magic and leave the other without it, he just copies it. If so, then Gildarts wouldn't be able to use Crash for example.

Yeah i know. It was the other guy who said so. There is no prove that August copied his magic.

Natsu used guild power to take down FH Zeref, not his own power.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nah.
Zeref didn't know what kind of flames that Natsu used.
He was wondering about the flames that actually was enough to put a damage on him.

That what Zeref said.
Natsu flames?
Sacred flames?
Guild flames?
Then Natsu said it's the flames of his emotions or something

 

[Hermit]

That is clearly a metaphor. Did anyone else from the guild confirmed that their power was transferring to Natsu's genki dama. DF Natsu did more damage anyway, so apart from burning time his last attack wasnt stronger than DF

I take what Natsu did to FH Zeref to be similar to what Erza pulled on Tenrou Island with the guild's power against Azuma. That isn't a power that's always accessible to them, so in this scenario Natsu doesn't have it.
Also, DF Natsu wouldn't damage August because August would NULLIFY it. That's the difference between FH Zeref and August. Zeref stood there and took the attack without even bothering to defend against it, when before he was prepared to block Natsu's attack in DF, and Mavis got in the way. Getting Fairy Heart just meant he had no more reason to block it, but this is irrelevant to this thread so I'll stop before I digress any further.
Also, the guild mark glowing is the sign that he was using the guild's power. Why else would it glow?

 

[Tirl]

August never sucked Serena's magic. If so, Historya Serena would have no magic to use.

Franmalt sucked Hade's soul and magic - Hade's historia still used magic.
And August never sucked any magic, he just copied it.

 

[Raven]

Franmalt sucked Hade's soul and magic - Hade's historia still used magic.
And August never sucked any magic, he just copied it.

He lost it when Natsu and Lucy defeated him.

I already answered that.

 

[Jko]

Alright i'll agree about Acno. PiS is what made him that ridiculous, just like FH Zeref. Because yes, FH Zeref if doing things properly would have let zero chance to Natsu. Unfortunately, in the manga a huge amount of PoF and Pis were in that fight, and keep in mind these are restricted in the tournament. August isn't gonna sit around letting Natsu punch him.

Anyway, about the ABC thing. B had an unlimited amount of power, that's right, however did his last attack (a mere punch) become unlimitedly strong or something like that? Not at all. At the end of the day this unlimited supply of magic didn't get anything done, aside from reversing himself when his body got owned.
August doesn't have an unlimited amount of Magic Power, but he doesn't need this, because he has the ability to copy and negate Natsu's magic, which is something Zeref couldn't do, FH or not. So no, my point still stands. Natsu's victory doesn't matter, he can't use his magic against August.

It's EoS Natsu so he was destined to become the strongest in the series. He burn through the fabric of time and space to beat FH Zeref. And it's been stated since the beginning that the more emotion Natsu has the stronger he gets. He is like the Hulk of FT.

He was utilizing infinite time magic in that punch so yeah it was definetely the most powerful attack seen to date. August copying abilities is cool and all but he is still weaker than FH Zeref who doesn't have copying abilities. So August copying ability isn't all it's cracked up to be if he can't beat Zeref. Natsu beat FH Zeref which means he's more powerful than August as well.

August can't copy DSM. He has not once shown or been stated to have DS magic. Acno would known otherwise, and August would've used it against Natsu rather than regular fire magic

 

[**Silver**]

I take what Natsu did to FH Zeref to be similar to what Erza pulled on Tenrou Island with the guild's power against Azuma. That isn't a power that's always accessible to them, so in this scenario Natsu doesn't have it.
Also, DF Natsu wouldn't damage August because August would NULLIFY it. That's the difference between FH Zeref and August. Zeref stood there and took the attack without even bothering to defend against it, when before he was prepared to block Natsu's attack in DF, and Mavis got in the way. Getting Fairy Heart just meant he had no more reason to block it, but this is irrelevant to this thread so I'll stop befotre I digress any further.
Also, the guild mark glowing is the sign that he was using the guild's power. Why else would it glow?

August is not invincible i really doubt August can nullify tenrou roar yes the second strongest attack so far...

Wild Emotions---->Tenrou Roar

Natsu wins this

 

[Pheromone]

And that doesn't correlate to feats. August has never once use DSM or has shown to copy DSM. It was stated over and that DS magic is obtained through only two ways. If August could copy DS magic why didn't he? DS magic is the most effective way to take out Acno besides FH? So why didn't August just copy Serena's magic? If he did than Acno would've sought him out and killed him rather than walking away nonchalantly. August needs feats of copying magic that has requirements. He can't even copy Cana's card magic has it has requirements needed to use that magic.

Let me try this again.

August was explicitly described by Gildarts to have his weakness in Holder Type magic, whose properties make it impervious to August's magic. That was Mashima's way of telling us that August's magic can only work on Caster Types. Which is corroborated by types of magic of every single opponent he's fought and defeated. DSM is a Caster Type.

The burden of proof, that DSM is somehow a wild exception to this rule that August has repeatedly shown demonstrably, is on you.

You need to prove that DSM cannot be copied. Assuming that it can't already flies in the face of explicitly confirmed canon, only made worse by your refusal to argue for that.

 

[Jko]

I take what Natsu did to FH Zeref to be similar to what Erza pulled on Tenrou Island with the guild's power against Azuma. That isn't a power that's always accessible to them, so in this scenario Natsu doesn't have it.

That is wrong. Erza only got the Tenrou power up because Azuma was using the guild's power against Erza, and she reversed it by using their feelings. The guild's magic was not given to him or used against him therefore the magic was all him. Natsu gets stronger from his feelings which has been the fuel to his power the entire time. He didn't get no power up from someone else tho like Erza did.

 

[Pheromone]

August never sucked Serena's magic. If so, Historya Serena would have no magic to use.

Anyways you have no ground to say that. rofl

Proving your own hypocrisy with your "assumptions" with every post.

You've nothing of value to offer this discussion, basically.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

So he can't use LFD which is what I was saying. He can use Natsu soul sure but that has nothing to do with copying magic. The soul curse absorbs souls to use their magic so he needs Natsu's soul to do it. Franmelth can't utilize Natsu's magic without his soul so again DS magic has never been copied. Copying magic just copies magic that doesn't have requirements. Franmelth's curse is not even comparable to August's magic either.

LFDM itself is DS, what Franmalth copied was the soul of LFDM, he can't use Fire or Lightning DS individually but he can use LFDM which is DS, so yes he can use DS just like he used Hades' spells, just because he didn't show any spells doesn't mean he can't use it, especially since he used power of souls he absorbed. And again ,the point is that DS can be gained in other ways, which means August who can copy all Caster Magic should be able to copy DS magic. I don't see what is so special about DS when people where shown having it in other ways. Also, the guy called Fukuro was able to take DS magic when he ate Natsu and would make it his permanently had Gray not made him digest Natsu.

Spoiler

This all proves there are other special ways to get DS, and August who can copy all Caster magic can copy DS. That was stated in the manga.

 

[Jko]

You could not have missed my point any further. Let me try this again.

August was explicitly described by Gildarts to have his weakness in Holder Type magic, whose properties make it impervious to August's magic. That was Mashima's way of telling us that August's magic can only work on Caster Types. Which is corroborated by types of magic of every single opponent he's fought and defeated. DSM is a Caster Type.

The burden of proof, that DSM is somehow a wild exception to this rule that August has repeatedly shown demonstrably, is on you.

You need to prove that DSM cannot be copied. Assuming that it can't already flies in the face of explicitly confirmed canon, only made worse by your refusal to argue for that.

I know the description of August abilities but you need more than statements to say he can do this or that. August has never copied DS magic or he would've used it by now instead of using regular elements. Slayer elements are a lot stronger than regular elements. If August could copy DS then why didn't he copy Acno's magic? Why didn't he copy Serena's magic? Why didn't he copy Laxus lightning attack instead of using a barrier?

Holder magic has requirements to use the magic which is why he can't copy them. It is the same for DS magic as DS magic has specific requirements to use it. August needs actual feats to say he can copy such magic.

 

[Takuan]

It's EoS Natsu so he was destined to become the strongest in the series. He burn through the fabric of time and space to beat FH Zeref. And it's been stated since the beginning that the more emotion Natsu has the stronger he gets. He is like the Hulk of FT.

He was utilizing infinite time magic in that punch so yeah it was definetely the most powerful attack seen to date. August copying abilities is cool and all but he is still weaker than FH Zeref who doesn't have copying abilities. So August copying ability isn't all it's cracked up to be if he can't beat Zeref. Natsu beat FH Zeref which means he's more powerful than August as well.

August can't copy DSM. He has not once shown or been stated to have DS magic. Acno would known otherwise, and August would've used it against Natsu rather than regular fire magic

I can agree Natsu got so incredibly strong (and that's insanely ridiculous but thats another debate) that he's most likely more powerful than August. Still, doesn't mean he'd beat him. Especially not if his magic is getting nullified.

August can copy DSM. Show me where it was stated he can't.
It was stated that August copies his opponent magic and nullifies it, unless this magic is a holder type magic. This is a never ending debate.
Why would August use DSM against Natsu rather than regular fire magic? What would the difference be?! He doesn't need to use his opponent's magic, he can use whatever he wants.
How the hell would Acno know that August can copy DSM magic ?!? August is not a Dragon Slayer, even if he can copy the magic, doesn't make him a DS. So how would Acno randomly guess that?
Plus Acno was not even able to know Irene was a Dragon Slayer / Dragon. If he couldn't discover that about Irene, he sure wouldn't guess that August has the ability to copy DSM magic. That makes no sense at all.

 

[Dargor]

It's not that Natsu is very strong, just FH Zeref is made of fail ). And i didn't see the power in Natsu against Zeref more than "building level". The fact that he defeated him because of weakness of his opponent, IMHO, pretty obviously.