Semifinal Natsu vs August

[Jko]

LFDM itself is DS, what Franmalth copied was the soul of LFDM, he can't use Fire or Lightning DS individually but he can use LFDM which is DS, so yes he can use DS just like he used Hades' spells, just because he didn't show any spells doesn't mean he can't use it, especially since he used power of souls he absorbed. And again ,the point is that DS can be gained in other ways, which means August who can copy all Caster Magic should be able to copy DS magic. I don't see what is so special about DS when people where shown having it in other ways. Also, the guy called Fukuro was able to take DS magic when he ate Natsu and would make it his permanently had Gray not made him digest Natsu.

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This all proves there are other special ways to get DS, and August who can copy all Caster magic can copy DS. That was stated in the manga.

Again they are using magic by absorbing the person themselves. They use Natsu as the middle man to use his magic. Not once do they copy magic. They use Natsu as basically a magic lacrima to use his power.

August can't copy magic with requirements. He has no feats of such, which is why he can't copy holder magic.

DS magic can only be obtained by two ways. It can't be copied. Could you absorb the person soul or body to use their magic? Sure, but you need their soul or body as the middle man to use their magic. You can't just absorb a bit and be able to use it and you sure as heck can't just copy it.

That's like saying the mimicry dude from Raven Tail can copy DS magic as well bcs his ability was also to copy magic.... Why didn't he just copy Natsu's, Gajeel's, Wendy's, or Laxus' magic in the fight rather than use Max's magic?

 

[CaptainTorch]

I mean, I do think people downplay Natsu's feats, and overestimate August. However August still wins this match.
First of all, I think that August can't copy Acno's roar - this series always shows that if someone has more magic/power than you then your magic "hax" won't work.
About DSM... I doubt that August can neccessarily nullify/utilize it, but I'm not so sure. I'll have to read what others think.
Srsly though, if Natsu would use his "Flames of Emotion" I do think he could outhax August. Strength wise that spell isn't that strong - it didn't even kill Zeref. He would be back up if not for Mavis. All these flames did was bypass FH Zeref's Hax - which is a great feat in itself. So power wise this attack is most likely weaker than DF Natsu, but it can burn away hax.
Sadly, we don't have any confirmation how and when he can use it. So I think Natsu can't use it at will. Which means that August is the victor.
However the August > Zeref wanking is seriously out of place. I can agree that August > Restricted Zeref, but he is not above non-restricted Zeref, even in base.

 

[**Silver**]

I can agree Natsu got so incredibly strong (and that's insanely ridiculous but thats another debate) that he's most likely more powerful than August. Still, doesn't mean he'd beat him. Especially not if his magic is getting nullified.

August can copy DSM. Show me where it was stated he can't.
It was stated that August copies his opponent magic and nullifies it, unless this magic is a holder type magic. This is a never ending debate.
Why would August use DSM against Natsu rather than regular fire magic? What would the difference be?! He doesn't need to use his opponent's magic, he can use whatever he wants.
How the hell would Acno know that August can copy DSM magic ?!? August is not a Dragon Slayer, even if he can copy the magic, doesn't make him a DS. So how would Acno randomly guess that?
Plus Acno was not even able to know Irene was a Dragon Slayer / Dragon. If he couldn't discover that about Irene, he sure wouldn't guess that August has the ability to copy DSM magic. That makes no sense at all.

but in the same time Acnologia knew there was 7 Dragon Sayers???? this seems another stupid plot twist to me ....

and Acnologia even sensed God Serena magic from miles away...

Irene is freaking Dragon and Acnologia annihilated entire Dragon race??? Irene is probably using some perfume from 400 years ago

 

[Demon Hunter]

you know, this is similar to Natsu vs God Serena last year when God Serena cannot eat Natsu' flames because he didn't show he can eat fire despite the fact that he is also a fire DS

not to mention he cannot eat it because Natsu' flames are too hot for GS to eat

this shit is the same.

August nullifies his fire attacks and stomps him with a couple of his already copied magic (Jellal, Cobra, Midnight, Cana, GILDARTS).

 

[Takuan]

but in the same time Acnologia knew there was 7 Dragon Sayers???? this seems another stupid plot twist to me ....

and Acnologia even sensed God Serena magic from miles away...

Irene is freaking Dragon and Acnologia annihilated entire Dragon race??? Irene is probably using some perfume from 400 years ago

Ikr xD
I guess Hiro made Acno sensed only 7 DS because plot demanded it. At the time we didn't know Irene was a Dragon, and that August had that type of magic. It would have ruined the next 30 chapters or so, if after killing GS Acno said "alright now only 6 more, plus the queen of Dragon Irene, plus you old bearded dude who can get DSM"

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

This thread has already turned into complete shit. Inb4 @DiMaria Yesta hits this thread with the "please be civil and respectful to each other" message.

Anyway August wins. I'll just leave it at that before I get called an ignorant biased fanboy. Never really understood why some get so emotional over fictional characters, especially in a manga like Fairy Tail.

 

[Pheromone]

I know the description of August abilities but you need more than statements to say he can do this or that. August has never copied DS magic or he would've used it by now instead of using regular elements. Slayer elements are a lot stronger than regular elements. If August could copy DS then why didn't he copy Acno's magic? Why didn't he copy Serena's magic? Why didn't he copy Laxus lightning attack instead of using a barrier.

Mashima made that statement. Not me.

The next part of your argument relates to how long August can retain the magic he copies. Given that he's shown Meteor, he could hold them for at least a period of time. As for why he didn't use them, that relates to his battle instinct. Is he the type to spam heavy barrages of spells like Natsu, God Serena? Clearly not.

Acno didn't use magic in front of August. He presumably took Serena's when he died, though there's a handful of ways to interpret that panel. He shielded Ajeel because he wanted to protect his own comrade.

Holder magic has requirements to use the magic which is why he can't copy them. It is the same for DS magic as DS magic has specific requirements to use it. August needs actual feats to say he can copy such magic.

What requirements does DSM have that make it more akin to Holder Magic than other Caster Types like itself?

 

[Boomburst]

Dragon Slayer Magic is a non-holder type magic. August can copy and nullify non-holder type magics. That's literally all there is to it. I don't understand what the need is for such a lengthy and meaningless discussion. There's nothing special about Dragon Slayer Magic other than the fact that it originated from dragons. There hasn't been a single instance throughout the entire manga where DS Magic has operated under different rules than any other kind of magic. Making such assumptions this late in the series is baseless and asinine.

 

[Battou]

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This thread has already turned into complete shit. Inb4 @DiMaria Yesta hits this thread with the "please be civil and respectful to each other" message.

This is something everyone should know by now, there shouldn't be a need for him to say it, if someone attacks you, report the post, dont answer to it.

 

[**Silver**]

Lmaooo and how natsu is going to beat august ? Please explain that lol, you must be blind and that's why you think that natsu can beat him lmao
August stomps natsu deal with it

Wild Emotions burns= Time Itself and August doesnt have Unlimited amount magic power like Zeref.. eventually August runs out off magic power and his nullifying magic Breaks... bye bye August

 

[randimari]

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This is something everyone should know by now, there shouldn't be a need for him to say it, if someone attacks you, report the post, dont answer to it.

To be fair, it's usually the same people who cause the issues and I've seen this before from her so she should especially know. But thanks for the moderation

August wins simply cause he can copy his dragon slayer magic, anything caster he can copy. Natsu is stronger however.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Wild Emotions burns= Time Itself and August doesnt have Unlimited amount magic power like Zeref.. eventually August runs out off magic power and his nullifying magic Breaks... bye bye August

Ahh yeah forgot that bs..hmm then nakama king plotsu stomps august because of his emotions..

 

[CaptainTorch]

Hmm, this matchup got me thinking though. If Natsu still had Igneel's power, would it work on August? And if so, would it be enough to defeat him?
August most likely can't nullify Igneel's flames. And no, not because it's DSM. Just because Igneel's Magic > August's magic. August's hax won't work on someone stronger than him, this rule has always been in the series and remains the same. This is also why August has no chance against Acno.
But even though he can't copy it, I'm not so sure if it will be strong enough... what do you guys think?

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Wild Emotions burns= Time Itself and August doesnt have Unlimited amount magic power like Zeref.. eventually August runs out off magic power and his nullifying magic Breaks... bye bye August

Natsu gets killed by August long before he can pull out "wild emotions" . It took several emotional catalysts and 13 chapters before Natsu's POF reached that level. If he could start a fight with "Wild emotions" then Zeref would have gotten one shotted 15 chapters ago.

 

[Jko]

I can agree Natsu got so incredibly strong (and that's insanely ridiculous but thats another debate) that he's most likely more powerful than August. Still, doesn't mean he'd beat him. Especially not if his magic is getting nullified.

August can copy DSM. Show me where it was stated he can't.
It was stated that August copies his opponent magic and nullifies it, unless this magic is a holder type magic. This is a never ending debate.
Why would August use DSM against Natsu rather than regular fire magic? What would the difference be?! He doesn't need to use his opponent's magic, he can use whatever he wants.
How the hell would Acno know that August can copy DSM magic ?!? August is not a Dragon Slayer, even if he can copy the magic, doesn't make him a DS. So how would Acno randomly guess that?
Plus Acno was not even able to know Irene was a Dragon Slayer / Dragon. If he couldn't discover that about Irene, he sure wouldn't guess that August has the ability to copy DSM magic. That makes no sense at all.

His magic wont be nullified as August can't copy magic with specific requirements to use them. Its literally the reason he can't copy holder magic.

Why did August use a barrier to stop Laxus' L bolt instead of copying and neutralizing Laxus' DS magic? Because he can't.

Why didn't August copy Irene's slayer magic to boost his own attacks? Why didn't he copy Serena's magic the first time they met? Why did August use regular fire magic when regular fire magic is weaker to DS magic? Why didn't August just copy Acno's DS magic and neutralize his power so he would be at most half of his power?

He can copy the basis of caster magic but he can't copy the caster magic that needs specific requirements to use. All holder magic has specific requirements which is the reason he can't copy any of them.

August can copy the basis of Takeover but he can't copy Satan Soul or God Chronos Soul because he doesn't have the requirements to use them. DS has only two specific ways to use that magic and that's either by being enchanted by a Dragon or using a lacrima that most likely enchanted by a Dragon. DS magic can't be just be taught or everyone in FT would be DS lol.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

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This is something everyone should know by now, there shouldn't be a need for him to say it, if someone attacks you, report the post, dont answer to it.

Dude, I know this is way off topic, but can I just say that your avi and signature are absolutely legendary.

Just to keep this post on topic: August is stronk. Natsu is also stronk but August can copy Natsu's stronkness. Therefore August wins. GG no re.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I honeslty can't understand how anyone can say that natsu win this..wth..august is just too strong for him..he can copy his magic and then gg natsu.
Natsu was shitting his pants the whole time he saw august..so please if he doesn't use his bs pof powers..natsu loses that's all no need to explain

 

[Static]

Dude, I know this is way off topic, but can I just say that your avi and signature is absolutely legendary.

Just to keep this post on topic: August is stronk. Natsu is also stronk but August can copy Natsu's stronkness. Therefore August wins. GG no re.

Let me just tell you that the person in his signature is an actual upper staff member of MH.

ON-TOPIC : Don't really think I should be explaining why August wins this lol. He can copy any Caster Magic, nowhere was it said he can't copy Caster Magic that have restrictions, add to the fact that he does it instantaneously and also instantly negates the opponents magic, Natsu has no chance at victory. Not to mention, he still has extremely high stats as he was able to duke it out with Gildarts in CQC and we all know Gildarts is a top tier in FT in terms of CQC.

 

[**Silver**]

Natsu gets killed by August long before he can pull out "wild emotions" . It took several emotional catalysts and 13 chapters before Natsu's POF reached that level. If he could start a fight with "Wild emotions" then Zeref would have gotten one shotted 15 chapters ago.

do you realize that FH/Zeref and Natsu is stronger than Human Acnologia????? and Acnologia speed blized August with no effort how much i need to prove my point?

so the questions is how August is stronger than Natsu??? when Natsu is----->Human/Acnologia???


i cant ignore the recent manga panels and lie to myself and say August is still stronger...

 

[Jko]

Mashima made that statement. Not me.

The next part of your argument relates to how long August can retain the magic he copies. Given that he's shown Meteor, he could hold them for at least a period of time. As for why he didn't use them, that relates to his battle instinct. Is he the type to spam heavy barrages of spells like Natsu, God Serena? Clearly not.

Acno didn't use magic in front of August. He presumably took Serena's when he died, though there's a handful of ways to interpret that panel. He shielded Ajeel because he wanted to protect his own comrade.


What requirements does DSM have that make it more akin to Holder Magic than other Caster Types like itself?

Mashima made a brief description of August's power. He never gave the specific details of it.

August has use heavy barrage attacks. He used them against Gild and Natsu.

I never once said August can't retain magic he's copied. He has already been shown that every magic in his arsenal is copied magic.

Acno has shown to use his magic a lot of times in this arc. He could've made/tricked/goaded Acno to use a magic attack as Acno has used magic for a lot less. Zeref would of definetely made August his way to kill Acno if he thought his copy magic could copy his DS magic. Heck all August would have to do is observe Zeref's or Irene's fight with Acno to absorb it.

It requires to be enchanted by Dragon or use lacrima that was enchanted by a Dragon to use the magic. If it was easy to access or copy their would be a lot more Dragon Slayers than 8 in the series.

Again why did August use a barrier when he could've simply copied and neutralize Laxus' magic? Why didn't he use a basic elemental magic rather than DS magic against Natsu?