Semifinal Natsu vs August

[Raven]

Hmm, this matchup got me thinking though. If Natsu still had Igneel's power, would it work on August? And if so, would it be enough to defeat him?
August most likely can't nullify Igneel's flames. And no, not because it's DSM. Just because Igneel's Magic > August's magic. August's hax won't work on someone stronger than him, this rule has always been in the series and remains the same. This is also why August has no chance against Acno.
But even though he can't copy it, I'm not so sure if it will be strong enough... what do you guys think?

I don't know where to place Ignatsu mod i'm not sure if DF is stronger or not but surely if you think Igneel's magic > August magic and can't be copied then you should consider POF Natsu is stronger than Ignatsu because it was more effective obviously.

 

[BluePegasus]

POF NATSU SHOULDN'T BE BROUGHT IN THIS DISCUSSION. STOP IT NOW.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Natsu is the strongest here

 

[Seven777]

August wins easily, the difficulty wouldnt be any greater than when he stomped Crime Sorciere. In fact Jellal alone could prob give Natsu a good fight.

Dont know why people are still arguing about August being able to copy DS magic, Melt showing up in Gildarts explanation confirms it, he can copy it,

Flames of Savage emotions are the guilds power, not Natsu's. They're not worth considering.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oh god, the arguements against August are starting to make sense lol.

Still not changing my vote yet. Can't see Natsu making it out of this round, August is just too op

 

[CaptainTorch]

I don't know where to place Ignatsu mod i'm not sure if DF is stronger or not but surely if you think Igneel's magic > August magic and can't be copied then you should consider POF Natsu is stronger than Ignatsu because it was more effective obviously.

Well, while it was more "effective", in the end it didn't kill Zeref. It bypassed his hax. While IgNatsu was going to most likely kill Zeref with his 2nd shot. That's why I consider Natsu with PoF below IgNatsu and DF Natsu. His PoF has enormous hax though..

 

[Pheromone]

Mashima made a brief description of August's power. He never gave the specific details of it.

Caster Types don't work. Holder Types do.

That's the hard rule Mashima went for in describing his power, and any arguments otherwise is speculation at best, and contradictory to canon at the worst.

It requires to be enchanted by Dragon or use lacrima that was enchanted by a Dragon to use the magic. If it was easy to access or copy their would be a lot more Dragon Slayers than 8 in the series.

Which there were. Four hundred years ago.

You still didn't answer my question: What about DSM makes it more akin to Holder Type as opposed to its natural Caster Type?

August's only canon magical weakness is its ineffective against Holder Types, since magic is not being exerted physically by the body. Your only shot of making any real argument is demonstrating how DSM is similar to that and not other Caster Types. Which you can't.

I'm relying on canon quotes and fights, and you've offered nothing but assumptions on August's battle instincts' and speculation.

 

[Dargor]

August's magic. August's hax won't work on someone stronger than him, this rule has always been in the series and remains the same

Battle with FH Zeref showed us how it "worked".
With unlimited amount of magic Zeref could make a simply blast or some of magic spell, and this power should be enough to destroy the whole world, like he was hyped at "planet level" or higher, just using of simple powerscaling.
But no, Zeref is shown to us as simple man with "strong" ability, not as a god. He can't do anything against base Natsu.
In case of August Natsu's (and Igneel) magic will work like "punch a hole in the hole". Тo matter how strong the blow was, гnder normal conditions, this is simply impossible

 

[Raven]

Well, while it was more "effective", in the end it didn't kill Zeref. It bypassed his hax. While IgNatsu was going to most likely kill Zeref with his 2nd shot. That's why I consider Natsu with PoF below IgNatsu and DF Natsu. His PoF has enormous hax though..

That's good point but Zeref wasn't sure if the 2nd attack was capable of destroying him or not. Anyways it was some of Igneel's power not his full potential. Igneel probably can no diff August.

 

[Takuan]

His magic wont be nullified as August can't copy magic with specific requirements to use them. Its literally the reason he can't copy holder magic.

Why did August use a barrier to stop Laxus' L bolt instead of copying and neutralizing Laxus' DS magic? Because he can't.

Why didn't August copy Irene's slayer magic to boost his own attacks? Why didn't he copy Serena's magic the first time they met? Why did August use regular fire magic when regular fire magic is weaker to DS magic? Why didn't August just copy Acno's DS magic and neutralize his power so he would be at most half of his power?

He can copy the basis of caster magic but he can't copy the caster magic that needs specific requirements to use. All holder magic has specific requirements which is the reason he can't copy any of them.

August can copy the basis of Takeover but he can't copy Satan Soul or God Chronos Soul because he doesn't have the requirements to use them. DS has only two specific ways to use that magic and that's either by being enchanted by a Dragon or using a lacrima that most likely enchanted by a Dragon. DS magic can't be just be taught or everyone in FT would be DS lol.

August can't nullify magic with specific requirements to use them? Well, that has never been stated in the manga, this is your own interpretation. In the manga though, it is said that August can copy magic aside from Holder type, which DSM isnt.

Why didn't August copy Age Seal and end every battle before they even start? Because Age Seal is a holder type magic.
Wait, no it's not.
I mean if we're going to make a list of all the possible things August could have done but didn't do, this will never end. That's not proving anything. At best it makes it understandable that you're doubtful about it; but this is not enough to convince me.

Again, that's your own asumption. DSM doesn't need any particular requirement to me. It is no different than Fairy Law, who Cana stated was only accessible to FT members and which the tatoo enables, before it was revealed by Bluenote that it could very well be used by someone else. And August negated it.

DS magic can't be taught or everyone in FT would be DS? What? Then why isn't everyone wielding EVERY type of magic?
Why isn't everyone a high enchanter, or a God Slayer...?
This is not even a point. Anyway, i'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me. Let's leave it as that.

 

[Raven]

August wins easily, the difficulty wouldnt be any greater than when he stomped Crime Sorciere. In fact Jellal alone could prob give Natsu a good fight.

Dont know why people are still arguing about August being able to copy DS magic, Melt showing up in Gildarts explanation confirms it, he can copy it,

Flames of Savage emotions are the guilds power, not Natsu's. They're not worth considering.

It wasn't the guild flame.

 

[CaptainTorch]

Battle with FH Zeref showed us how it "worked".
With unlimited amount of magic Zeref could make a simply blast or some of magic spell, and this power should be enough to destroy the whole world, like he was hyped at "planet level" or higher, just using of simple powerscaling.
But no, Zeref is shown to us as simple man with "strong" ability, not as a god. He can't do anything against base Natsu.
In case of August Natsu's (and Igneel) magic will work like "punch a hole in the hole". Тo matter how strong the blow was, гnder normal conditions, this is simply impossible

That's why Natsu's "Power of the Guild" is so hax - it can burn away other hax.
And yes, FH Zeref was hyped a lot. However you have to understand that the fact that he got unlimited magic energy, doesn't mean that his power output became different. Otherwise he could blow up the universe

 

[Jko]

August can copy caster magic with restrictions yet he has never used any caster magic with specific requirements before.

• Never used Takeover (with a specific like Satan Soul or God Soul)
• Never used DS magic ever
• Had to block Laxus' DS magic with a barrier rather than copy and neutralize it
• Didn't copy Acno's DS magic and just neutralize it which would cut Acno's power in half
• Only used regular elements and magic that can be taught
• Can't use card magic or celestial magic because they have requirements to use them (e.g. cards and keys)
• Couldn't even copy Crash when Gild used it through a mechanical arm thus making the mechanical arm a requirement to use Crash

August can just copy any magic tho that isn't titled holder magic. Why didn't he just copy Fairy Heart (which is a magic) and every DS magic including Acno's and become the strongest guy in the universe? I mean he could just unleash any magic he has copy yet has been shown he can't copy magic with requirements? His strongest move is a magic that can be taught from a book tho. I mean why not use Zeref's Ankhseram magic instead of using inferior magic? Why not use DSM instead of inferior regular elements?

Maybe he can't... *gasp*. Lets use his his actual feats instead of fears he has never once shown to use.

 

[BluePegasus]

August can copy caster magic with restrictions yet he has never used any caster magic with specific requirements before.

• Never used Takeover (with a specific like Satan Soul or God Soul)
• Never used DS magic ever
• Had to block Laxus' DS magic with a barrier rather than copy and neutralize it
• Didn't copy Acno's DS magic and just neutralize it which would cut Acno's power in half
• Only used regular elements and magic that can be taught
• Can't use card magic or celestial magic because they have requirements to use them (e.g. cards and keys)
• Couldn't even copy Crash when Gild used it through a mechanical arm thus making the mechanical arm a requirement to use Crash

August can just copy any magic tho that isn't titled holder magic. Why didn't he just copy Fairy Heart (which is a a magic) and every DS magic including Acno's and become the strongest guy in the universe? I mean he could just unleash any magic he has copy yet has been shown he can't copy magic with requirements? His strongest move is a magic that can be taught from a book tho. I mean why not use Zeref's Ankhseram magic instead of using inferior magic? Why not use DSM instead of inferior regular elements?

Maybe he can't... *gasp*. Lets use his his actual feats instead of fears he has never once shown to use.

No let's use the definition behind Copy Magic instead.

 

[Jko]

No let's use the definition behind Copy Magic instead.

That wasn't even by August himself. Only guy who got a basic understanding of August's magic. Yeah let's use a brief description tho.

 

[Seven777]

It wasn't the guild flame.

No, it wasnt a "sacred flame", however it most certainly was the guilds flame.

Spoiler

Its "Love>Unlimited Magic", not "some Dragon Slayer>Unlimited magic".

 

[BluePegasus]

That wasn't even by August himself. Only guy who got a basic understanding of August's magic. Yeah let's use a brief description tho.

Yet there was a description. Since when can't we use manga facts in debates anymore?

 

[Raven]

No, it wasnt a "sacred flame", however it most certainly was the guilds flame.

Spoiler

Its Love>Unlimited Magic, not some Dragon Slayer>Unlimited magic.

It's love and Natsu > unlimited magic
= PoF Natsu > Unlimited magic

 

[Static]

It's love and Natsu > unlimited magic
= PoF Natsu > Unlimited magic

Thing is, why are we even including PoF and plot armor into a logical power ranking system? I already said this before lol, it makes zero sense.

 

[Seven777]

It's love and Natsu > unlimited magic
= PoF Natsu > Unlimited magic

How many people are in the FT guild again? 100? 200? More?
So really its more like Natsu+LoveX100(or more)>Unlimited Magic.