Semifinal Natsu vs August

[Ice devil slayer]

Tfw pof natsu>unlimited magic is actually true..

 

[Raven]

Thing is, why are we even including PoF and plot armor into a logical power ranking system? I already said this before lol, it makes zero sense.

Because it's not restricted. POF is a thing in Fairy tail and it has a big influence in battles hence it's make sense in power ranking plus it has it's own feats.

How many people are in the FT guild again? 100? 200? More?
So really its more like Natsu+LoveX100(or more)>Unlimited Magic.

What is that? LOL I won't bother talking argue over it so believe what makes you happy.

 

[Dargor]

That's why Natsu's "Power of the Guild" is so hax - it can burn away other hax.
And yes, FH Zeref was hyped a lot. However you have to understand that the fact that he got unlimited magic energy, doesn't mean that his power output became different. Otherwise he could blow up the universe

In case of August his ability is "anti hax", and he is "anti-mage". He just have magic immune to all caster magic besides curses (Hiro told us the diffrence between curse and magic).
Yes, i agree with it. Power energy is just a mana, that means Zeref can cast unlimited number of spell that is limited by his power. The question about does he has enough of strength to do anything against August or Natsu. I think he doesn't.

 

[Jko]

August can't nullify magic with specific requirements to use them?

Didn't copy and neutralize Laxus DS' magic. Didn't neutralize Crash magic after Gild used a mechanical arm.

Why didn't August copy Age Seal and end every battle before they even start? Because Age Seal is a holder type magic.
Wait, no it's not.

Age Seal doesn't have a requirement to use.

I mean if we're going to make a list of all the possible things August could have done but didn't do, this will never end.

Then we clearly ignore things that he had no hope in doing. Again why didn't he copy Acno's DS magic, or Zeref's magic? Why didn't he neutralize Laxus' DS magic. He would be the strongest there is.

Again, that's your own asumption. DSM doesn't need any particular requirement to me.

It actually isn't an assumption it is a fact. DSM needs specific requirements to use which is being enchanted by a Dragon or using a lacrima that was enchanted by a Dragon. It was literally stated this in the beginning of the manga and in Irene's backstory.

Spoiler

If there was no requirements to being a DS why do you think there weren't DS before Irene? Why do you think there are only 9 DS in present timeline in the entire series?

It is no different than Fairy Law, who Cana stated was only accessible to FT members and which the tatoo enables, before it was revealed by Bluenote that it could very well be used by someone else. And August negated it.

You mean Fairy Glitter and Cana has no idea about the magic. It could've just metaphorical too and not to be taken in a literal sense. Hades could used a Fairy magic and he was not a guild member anymore. Cana didn't know crap.

DS magic can't be taught or everyone in FT would be DS? What? Then why isn't everyone wielding EVERY type of magic?
Why isn't everyone a high enchanter, or a God Slayer...?
This is not even a point. Anyway, i'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me. Let's leave it as that.

Bcs those magic have to be taught, and it's a hard magic to learn. As I said their would be more DS if DS magic could just be taught but you need to be enchanted by a Dragon or have a lacrima that was enchanted to give you DSM. There would be a ton of second generation slayers as well.

 

[BluePegasus]

Natsu x POF ^ 3 > Natsu + Guild Fire x π = 2 x Natsu > 1⁄5 IgNatsu.

Tbh.

 

[Seven777]

Because it's not restricted. POF is a thing in Fairy tail and it has a big influence in battles hence it's make sense in power ranking plus it has it's own feats.


What is that? LOL I won't bother talking argue over it so believe what makes you happy.

What is what? The LoveX100? It means love multiplied a hundred times.
Natsu took all the PoF from Fairy Tail(the most PoF organisation the worlds ever seen) and converted it into the "flames of savage emotions". We already saw on Tenrou when Mavis' cast Fairy Sphere that the PoF of the whole guild is on the level of Acnologia.

I believe it because its what Natsu said, crap like this making it into the manga certainly doesnt make me happy.

 

[**Silver**]

Godtsu>plotsu>nastu>august>>>>>>>>natsu

lol this is pointless powerscaling only works when story progression demands it..

even Jellal was pressuring Acnologia

Jellal--->acnologia----August

all this is in the panels man its not even my own imagination...

 

[Jko]

Yet there was a description. Since when can't we use manga facts in debates anymore?

Because Gild isn't August so that means he doesn't know the actual ins and outs of August's magic. Which is why it's only a "brief" description. That's like saying "I have the power to destroy the world" yet you don't have any planetary feats to back it up. Or how Brandish is a nation demolisher and has now actual feats to say that lol. Gild doesn't know all of August's ability he only knew brief amount of info about it.

 

[Seven777]

Didn't copy and neutralize Laxus DS' magic. Didn't neutralize Crash magic after Gild used a mechanical arm.

Age Seal doesn't have a requirement to use.
Then we clearly ignore things that he had no hope in doing. Again why didn't he copy Acno's DS magic, or Zeref's magic? Why didn't he neutralize Laxus' DS magic. He would be the strongest there is.

It actually isn't an assumption it is a fact. DSM needs specific requirements to use which is being enchanted by a Dragon or using a lacrima that was enchanted by a Dragon. It was literally stated this in the beginning of the manga and in Irene's backstory.

Spoiler

If there was no requirements to being a DS why do you think there weren't DS before Irene? Why do you think there are only 9 DS in present timeline in the entire series?

You mean Fairy Glitter and Cana has no idea about the magic. It could've just metaphorical too and not to be taken in a literal sense. Hades could used a Fairy magic and he was not a guild member anymore. Cana didn't know crap.


Bcs those magic have to be taught, and it's a hard magic to learn. As I said their would be more DS if DS magic could just be taught but you need to be enchanted by a Dragon or have a lacrima that was enchanted to give you DSM. There would be a ton of second generation slayers as well.

August stepped in to save Azir, thats why he put up the barrier against Laxus' nuke.

 

[Jko]

Whatever this a pointless discussion. The votes are the only thing that matters. See you guys in a few weeks when Natsu beats Acnologia and people start saying Gild or Laxus can beat him because they still think they're stronger than Natsu.

EoS Natsu is gonna beat the strongest guy in FT and people would still deny it.

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August stepped in to save Azir, thats why he put up the barrier against Laxus' nuke.

Not seeing how that's stopping him from copying and neutralizing the attack. He was right behind Ajeel, and could've easily neutralized it instead of putting up a barrier.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

What the..because putting a big ass barrier was maybe just maybe the most logical thing to do..

 

[Seven777]

Whatever this a pointless discussion. The votes are the only thing that matters. See you guys in a few weeks when Natsu beats Acnologia and people start saying Gild or Laxus can beat him because they still think they're stronger than Natsu.

EoS Natsu is gonna beat the strongest guy in FT and people would still deny it.

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Not seeing how that's stopping him from copying and neutralizing the attack. He was right behind Ajeel, and could've easily neutralized it instead of putting up a barrier.

Not how it works, the magic is still there, the only person who is unaffected is August, as shown by Larcade's magic not disappearing, Fairy Glitter still destroying everything around it, the Cathedral still busting, etc.
So Azir still dies.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

I think there's some confusing here (looking at you @Jko). August doesn't absorb magic, he copies them. When he copies them not only does he now know how to use it but it also doesn't affect him. Meaning that even if he had neutralized Laxus's attack Ajeel would have still been hit while only August would remain unscathed. He had to put up a barrier for Ajeel's sake, not because he couldn't neutralize Laxus's spell.

EDIT: Yup, my dude @Seven777 explains it clearly

 

[Costanza]

Natsu can beat absolutely anyone if plot demands it, no matter how nonsensical but barring any bs August takes this. He easily has the most impressive showing despite Mashima's attempt to epically shit on him.

 

[Jko]

I think there's some confusing here (looking at you @Jko). August doesn't absorb magic, he copies them. When he copies them not only does he now know how to use it but it also doesn't affect him. Meaning that even if he had neutralized Laxus's attack Ajeel would have still been hit while only August would remain unscathed. He had to put up a barrier for Ajeel's sake, not because he couldn't neutralize Laxus's spell.

EDIT: Yup, my dude @Seven777 explains it clearly

When have I once stated he absorbs magic? He copies and neutralize's magics therefore he would've copied Laxus magic and neutralize it instead of putting up a barrier. The barrier was pointless as once the attack is neutralize it means the damage isn't going to do anything. DS magic would give him the ability to eat the element anyway so again the barrier was useless.

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Not how it works, the magic is still there, the only person who is unaffected is August, as shown by Larcade's magic not disappearing, Fairy Glitter still destroying everything around it, the Cathedral still busting, etc.
So Azir still dies.

August didn't set out to neutralize Larcade's magic or he would have. Neutralizing a spell means he could stop the magic itself. DSM gives him the ability to eat magic therefore he could've ate the lightning. The barrier is pointless.

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August wins easily, the difficulty wouldnt be any greater than when he stomped Crime Sorciere. In fact Jellal alone could prob give Natsu a good fight.

Dont know why people are still arguing about August being able to copy DS magic, Melt showing up in Gildarts explanation confirms it, he can copy it,

Flames of Savage emotions are the guilds power, not Natsu's. They're not worth considering.

Melt wasn't DS it was a basic fire attack.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

When have I once stated he absorbs magic? He copies and neutralize's magics therefore he would've copied Laxus magic and neutralize it instead of putting up a barrier. The barrier was pointless as once the attack is neutralize it means the damage isn't going to do anything. DS magic would give him the ability to eat the element anyway so again the barrier was useless.

Ok, let me try explaining this to you again, and I'll keep it simple this time:

Laxus attack+August neutralize=August fine but Ajeel hurt
Laxus attack+August Barrier=August AND Ajeel fine

August would be fine but Ajeel would still get hit. August's copy magic doesn't protect his surroundings. Otherwise Cana's Fairy Glitter wouldn't have caused rubble to be sent flying everywhere. Do you get it now? I can't explain this any simpler so if you still don't get it then I can't reason with you.

 

[Seven777]

When have I once stated he absorbs magic? He copies and neutralize's magics therefore he would've copied Laxus magic and neutralize it instead of putting up a barrier. The barrier was pointless as once the attack is neutralize it means the damage isn't going to do anything. DS magic would give him the ability to eat the element anyway so again the barrier was useless.

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August didn't set out to neutralize Larcade's magic or he would have. Neutralizing a spell means he could stop the magic itself. DSM gives him the ability to eat magic therefore he could've ate the lightning. The barrier is pointless.

Melt wasn't DS it was a basic fire attack.

Not really

Spoiler

like i said, "neutralising" Fairy Glitter didnt stop it from blasting the fuck out of everything else around August. If it wasnt for that barrier, Azir would be as destroyed as the ground Kana isnt standing on in this panel.

Melt was DS magic, the fact that it was a panel in Gildart's explanation confirms its magic he copied from Natsu.

 

[Jko]

Ok, let me try explaining this to you again, and I'll keep it simple this time:

Laxus attack+August neutralize=August fine but Ajeel hurt
Laxus attack+August Barrier=August AND Ajeel fine

August would be fine but Ajeel would still get hit. August's copy magic doesn't protect his surroundings. Otherwise Cana's Fairy Glitter wouldn't have put August in a crater. Do you get it now? I can't explain this any simpler so if you still don't get it then I can't reason with you.

Let me try explaining this. Natsu negated the heat around Lucy, Happy, and Mest with just his DS ability therefore August would of negated it himself and Ajeel if he had Laxus DSM. The barrier was pointless, he could've neutralized the spell easily if he had copy Laxus DSM.

 

[Seven777]

Let me try explaining this. Natsu negated the heat around Lucy, Happy, and Mest with just his DS ability therefore August would of negated it himself and Ajeel if he had Laxus DSM. The barrier was pointless, he could've neutralized the spell easily if he had copy Laxus DSM.

You're grasping at straws, Natsu mostly negated August's spell, August completely shielded Azir. August chose the most efficient way to protect Azir, its really as simple as that.

 

[Jko]

Not really

Spoiler

like i said, "neutralising" Fairy Glitter didnt stop it from blasting the fuck out of everything else around August. If it wasnt for that barrier, Azir would be as destroyed as the ground Kana isnt standing on in this panel.

Melt was DS magic, the fact that it was a panel in Gildart's explanation confirms its magic he copied from Natsu.

So you're saying if DiMaria used Age Seal he couldn't counter it for the other S12?

Also if he copied Laxus DSM he could counter the effects of the spell by just using slayer resistance alone. Natsu did against melt which is why Natsu, Lucy, and Meat had taken no actual damage from it.

Melt wasn't a DS magic. It was regular fire attack. He never copied any fire DS magic. There would've been a slayer title before Melt as well.