Final Natsu vs. Suzaku

Who wins?

  • Natsu Dragneel

    Votes: 34 65.4%
  • Suzaku

    Votes: 18 34.6%

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That the only part I disagree with I think at that time this was a confirmation that natsu can go into DF at will without PoF
Eh , if he had the ability to do that he would've done so before and not wait till getting trapped by Zeref's magic. I mean he was pretty serious on killing him when he had Igneel's power , and him being super pissed at him in addition to that is what prompts me to believe he required PoF to go DF back in Alvarez. That is also the reason why Gildarts was named as the strongest member of the guild at the beginning of the 100YQ , cause Natsu still required PoF to activate DF during that time. However after eating Ignia's flames he probably figured out the mechanism to activate it on his whim without needing to get angry. It's like Laxus' Red Lightning really. In Alvarez Laxus only got it cause of chance , however he mastered it's use in 100YQ and can now use it at his will.


Anyone saying Natsu can't go DF at the beginning of fight is also basically saying Laxus can't use RL at beginning of his fight. Well no shit he doesn't , cause that's how fights in fiction work. Unless there is a sense of urgency and you're dead set on killing the other party. Substitute Red Lightning for DF. If RL was strong enough to beat Suzaku , would you say Laxus can't go RL at the beginning of his fight cause he hasn't shown ?
 
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Based on what? Nerfed Aldo did much worse against Base Natsu than Suzaku.
And based on what is that 50% Aldo too lmao?

He came up with that percentage out of nowhere

Aldo woke up nerfed to begin with.
And just one of his seeds going down nerfed him so much that Natsu went from being not even able to perceive his attacks, and having chunks of his flesh/body ripped off.
To not only able to perceive them, but also counter/dodge and tank them as well.

And then he later lost the rest of the seeds

Yea, waking up nerfed + 4 seeds going down is just 50% nerf :facepalm
 

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And based on what is that 50% Aldo too lmao?

He came up with that percentage out of nowhere

Aldo woke up nerfed to begin with.
And just one of his seeds going down nerfed him so much that Natsu went from being not even able to perceive his attacks, and having chunks of his flesh/body ripped off.
To not only able to perceive them, but also counter/dodge and tank them as well.

And then he later lost the rest of the seeds

Yea, waking up nerfed + 4 seeds going down is just 50% nerf :facepalm
Agreed, we don't even know how nerfed Aldo originally was, he could have been like Merc who was at more or less half of his full power, all we know is that Aldoron was nerfed, and got weakened even more the more his seeds were defeated, Come to think of it, why would he even make these God Seeds if they're going to weaken him when they go down? Seems pretty counterproductive to me.

We at least know that Merc was <=50% of his power from a reliable source in Ignia who should know considering all Dragon Gods should be relative to each other according to Selene (another reliable source).

We have yet to see a Dragon God at full power/going all out, Merc and Aldo were nerfed and Selene was playing and jobbing.
 

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The analogy between Red Lightning and DF is the same. Both of them are modes , both of them were unaccessible to their users at will at the beginning , in both cases the users gained mastery over it later. Laxus can activate RL at will , I don't see where is the logic in saying Natsu can't do it instantly. If Red Lightning sounds weird to you , consider Wendy's DF , analogy would be the same. Wendy can tap into DF at will cause she has shown it. Same way Natsu too can whenever he wants.
 

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Agreed, we don't even know how nerfed Aldo originally was, he could have been like Merc who was at more or less half of his full power, all we know is that Aldoron was nerfed, and got weakened even more the more his seeds were defeated, Come to think of it, why would he even make these God Seeds if they're going to weaken him when they go down? Seems pretty counterproductive to me.

We at least know that Merc was <=50% of his power from a reliable source in Ignia who should know considering all Dragon Gods should be relative to each other according to Selene (another reliable source).

We have yet to see a Dragon God at full power/going all out, Merc and Aldo were nerfed and Selene was playing and jobbing.
Why he created them?
Creating them isn't the issue, linking them to your power level is lol
Why did that happen? Because Mashima made these DGs too strong, so he has got to make them retarded to not have the good guys one shotted in a minute

IMO Merc was more like 33-40%
He was strictly less than 50% according to Ignia, and Merc says he had lost most of his powers when they fought. Most, as we generally use, means a sizable portion above half

Yea, I've written a few posts in chapter discussion explaining why the current setting is ridiculous.
We're more than half way into the series and we still don't have a single character except MAYBE DF Natsu who isn't out of one shot range from a DG in dragon form? Why? Ridiculous writing where Mashima is writing himself into a corner, just like against Acno.
Now DGs jobbing/being retards is a necessity
 

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Aldo was probably higher then 50% considering his own words say he was "somewhat" weakened

Also Merc was at 50% pretty sure the raws stated he was at half
 
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Based on what? Nerfed Aldo did much worse against Base Natsu than Suzaku.
50% of a DG's power is far above what the label casual means. Selene didn't use even close to 50% to drop George with one palm smash lol.
And based on what is that 50% Aldo too lmao?

He came up with that percentage out of nowhere

Aldo woke up nerfed to begin with.
And just one of his seeds going down nerfed him so much that Natsu went from being not even able to perceive his attacks, and having chunks of his flesh/body ripped off.
To not only able to perceive them, but also counter/dodge and tank them as well.

And then he later lost the rest of the seeds

Yea, waking up nerfed + 4 seeds going down is just 50% nerf :facepalm
Bcs at no time was he stated to be weaker than Merc who was at half power. Secondly he himself only said he was somewhat nerfed from the Seeds going down ergo not a significant nerf.
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Natsu has use DF three times in a row without an external source. He can use it at will. Literally the only reason to say he can't is if he needed an external source to do it. Imagine saying Natsu can't use DF at will... that's like saying the Twins can't bcs they don't use it until they really need it lol. Natsu never needed DF till he fights God Tiers.
 

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I mean, Aldoron could just have been arogant, no? He certainly seemed like the type to overestimate himself.
 

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50% of a DG's power is far above what the label casual means. Selene didn't use even close to 50% to drop George with one palm smash lol.
Says who? That's just a rule you arbitrarily made up. For all you know casual Selene means %63.55647 of her power. Even the %50 Aldo is a number you pulled out of your ass. Certainly nowhere near enough to counter the actual feats of Suzaku.

This tournament is supposedly meant to be judged primarily by feats. Suzaku has the feat of 1. Actually beating Natsu in canon before he could do anything and 2. Doing it better, faster and with less effort than nerfed Aldo.
 

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Bcs at no time was he stated to be weaker than Merc who was at half power. Secondly he himself only said he was somewhat nerfed from the Seeds going down ergo not a significant nerf.
1. At no time did I claim Aldo who had just woken up was weaker than Merc?
He's easily weaker than Merc AFTER he lost 4/5 seeds


2. Merc was stated to be LESS than 50% by Ignia,.
Merc himself stated that he had lost most of his powers by the time he fought. Most is used when the fraction is a decent margin above 1/2. Merc would be more likely at 33-40% than at 50%


3. Aldo can say whatever he wants to cope.
But we have solid FEATS suggesting the nerf was significant :
- just one of his seeds going down nerfed him so much that Natsu went
From: not even being able to perceive his attacks, and having chunks of his flesh/body ripped off.
To: not only able to perceive them, but also counter/dodge and tank them as well.

- And towards the end he had no seeds left. Here are his feats when all seeds went down:
He couldn't put down even base Natsu. Base Natsu got some blows on Aldo, and tanked/countered some attacks from him. Aldo, after using his strongest attack shown in the series, still had a hard time putting down base Natsu. Base Natsu tanked, dodged and countered many of his thicket of arms, until he eventually got overwhelmed and went down


Manga feats:
- Serious nerfed Aldo seed low diff'd base Natsu, needed to use his strongest spell to put him down
- Suzaku casually one shotted base Natsu with a basic slash

Suzaku > heavily nerfed Aldo

Like, the seeds going down massively nerfing him to a level manageable by Natsu was the theme of the entire fight!
It's pretty obvious the Aldo who had woken up + lost 4/5 of the seeds <<< peak Aldo. A no brainer!
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I mean, Aldoron could just have been arogant, no? He certainly seemed like the type to overestimate himself.
Exactly.

The dude was coping. It was more like: "no matter how weakened I get, I'm still powerful enough to stomp small fries like you."

Like, the entire theme of the fight was to have Aldo seeds go down, massively nerfing him in the process, eventually to the point where it was manageable for Natsu

It's a no-brainer that Aldo with all seeds intact >>> Aldo with 4 seeds down
 

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Can someone tell me when the Domus Flau will be unlocked?
 
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