Discussion NNT versus thread

[revo]

New matchup

AM Meliodas vs Sariel,Tarmiel & Ludoshel

King vs Diane

Gerheade vs Elaine

-AM Meliodas (he still would have a difficult battle)
-King
-I would say Elaine but I doubt that she can win in her current weak state

 

[Arjuna]

Wasn't Diane stated to be stronger than King in the current arc?

 

[sobreno]

Wasn't Diane stated to be stronger than King in the current arc?

Well, she needs to dance for that and obviously, since it is a death match, King will not allow her to do that.

 

[Arjuna]

Well, she needs to dance for that and obviously, since it is a death match, King will not allow her to do that.

Probably you are right in that.King is faster.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I just wanna drop here that current NNT shits on the speed of sound. Speed of light shits on NNT, tho.

As for the versus:

New matchup

AM Meliodas vs Sariel,Tarmiel & Ludoshel

King vs Diane

Gerheade vs Elaine

AM Mel still wins seeing how easy 3C Estarossa (who is still probably a little below AM Mel) fodderized Sar and Tar. Tho, the AA haven't shown us all they've got.

King wins, Diane needs to dance quite a bit to be on his level or above and I don't see King allowing her to do that. With his versatility he can put her down before she gets on his level.

I'm assuming that this is Elaine before gaining his wings otherwise that would be a stomp. Anyways, Elaine still wins with mid to high difficulty.

 

[Demonspeed]

Diane is not so incompetent that she would be unable to dance and quickly die against King. She can power up by dancing even by dodging moves and last time she reached 48K in a few seconds. And she has stuff like Heavy Metal(she was able to stop one of Chandler's attack even in her tiny form). A higher PL doesn't mean that you are the stronger fighter anyway.

Base Zeldris is commonly seen as Zeldris aat 61K but we have actually never seen him in base. He can't beat Base Meliodas.

Elaine is much stronger than Gerheade.

 

[Mythoclast]

Can you drop the defense mechanism when it comes to Meliodas? It's so tedious to argue with you when you automatically get defensive and offended at any text that doesn't praise or place Meliodas in a positive light.




When was Meliodas stated to be faster than the speed of sound?

Gilthunder can't move as fast as lightning, so in a battle against Ludoshel he'd get killed before he could do anything.

Galan still slower than sound.

it's not that pathetic of a feat tbh

You're overestimating how fast sound is.
Gilthunder can travel in his lightning and they're a shit load of people who can react and tag him.So that automatically makes the speed of sound look pathetic in comparison.

Galan jumping a few hundred miles in seconds is slower than the speed of sound?
Apply a little physics to that feat and the results would come out at mach 3600 or 3600 times faster than the speed of sound.

The speed of sound is utterly pathetic for the NNT verse.

 

[kaiiruuu]

New matchup

AM Meliodas vs Sariel,Tarmiel & Ludoshel

King vs Diane

Gerheade vs Elaine

Three AAs high diff.

Diane mid diff. King's durability is shit and Diana casually took a blast from an Albion just recently.

Elaine easily.

 

[Bøjan]

AM Meliodas vs Sariel,Tarmiel & Ludoshel

King vs Diane

Gerheade vs Elaine

AM Mel wins easily, as seen by how Estarossa effortlessly took care of Sariel and Tarmiel and he's probably quite a bit weaker than AM Meliodas.

If Diane dances up to 48k+ then she wins, otherwise King wins.

Elaine.

 

[HereNThere]

King versus Diane would be fun.

King's advantage is his versatility and range. And from what we've seen, his control of Chastiefol is faster than anything Diane has shown. Diane's advantage will be her defensive techniques and the sheer volume of earth she can control.

This is a hard one.

Diane mid diff. King's durability is shit and Diana casually took a blast from an Albion just recently.

An alert, battle ready King's durability is fine. He's taken hits from characters physically stronger than him and kept going. And his attack power is vastly more powerful than that of an Albion. Chandler even noted that his attack broke through his magic shield and did some damage to him directly.

 

[Mythoclast]

Elizabeth vs these 40k characters

Arthur(with Excalibur)
Critical Over Galan
King

Can she beat any of them?

 

[sobreno]

Nope, still no combat feat for her. She didn't have the speed or the offensive power to put them down.

 

[Demonspeed]

Arthur? Yes.He doesn't have a particularly powerful technique and Excalibur exhausts him quickly. Even with the feats she has, his chances of winning are extremely low. She has Ark, flight and her healing powers are ridiculous. He has some cool techniques and a sharp sword, that's all. No Magic at all.

King and Galan win.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

If every character stands still and doesn’t bother to try to attack or dodge or can’t even stand up and are writhing in pain, then yes Elizabeth can win. Other than that, no she should get stomped pretty badly. Strong magic is not enough to compensate for a lacking in 4 other areas of strength. (Strength, speed, durability, and reaction)

Melasucla could also probably beat Elizabeth if she got her into gloom cocoon. Only someone with DK or SD granted magic has been shown to break out of it and Elizabeth cannot teleport.

 

[Mythoclast]

Arthur? Yes.He doesn't have a particularly powerful technique and Excalibur exhausts him quickly. Even with the feats she has, his chances of winning are extremely low. She has Ark, flight and her healing powers are ridiculous. He has some cool techniques and a sharp sword, that's all. No Magic at all.

How are her healing powers ridiculous?The severity of the injuries she has healed so far aren't that impressive.
Arthur's chances of winning should be way higher than her's.

 

[Demonspeed]

How are her healing powers ridiculous?The severity of the injuries she has healed so far aren't that impressive.
Arthur's chances of winning should be way higher than her's.

I consider Goddess healing ridiculous in the first place and that's an area where Elizabeth's abilities can't really be denied, she showed that she can maintain them active for a while too. I know she has not healed from injuries as severe as the Archangels but Arthur has no finishing move good enough to beat her and is limited by time because of Excalibur plus she is obviously not going to stay immobile and she has Ark. His lack of Magic is the biggest handicap.

 

[kaiiruuu]

Elizabeth vs these 40k characters

Critical Over Galan

Can she beat any of them?

Basing from hype, Eli wins.

If her Ark got praises from 2 AAs, whose Arks were enough to obliterate Galan, she got this. Not to mention her immense healing.

 

[HereNThere]

In terms of hype, Arthur and Eli have been hyped to hell and back for their potential, the former for his power, the latter for her healing, apparently. Arthur may be able to outmaneuver her combat wise, but I don't know if he has the means to land a killing blow. Leaning towards Elizabeth, but I can see this going either way. I mean, she was winded trying to keep Estarossa from hitting the ground. Unless Estarossa weighed hundreds upon hundreds of tons, it's not a good look for her physical ability. Nevermind her being caught off guard by Chandler's flesh bat thing. Hell, thinking about it now, she seemed pretty dazed by that whole ordeal. Eh, this is up in the air for me.

Eli hasn't shown anything to make me think she can take an attack from Chastiefol.

She has a good chance against Galan. If he's caught by her arc, he's done. If he's caught by her ark.

 

[Mythoclast]

I consider Goddess healing ridiculous in the first place and that's an area where Elizabeth's abilities can't really be denied, she showed that she can maintain them active for a while too. I know she has not healed from injuries as severe as the Archangels but Arthur has no finishing move good enough to beat her and is limited by time because of Excalibur plus she is obviously not going to stay immobile and she has Ark. His lack of Magic is the biggest handicap.

She doesn't have the speed to avoid Arthur.Neither does she have the speed to hit him.
He can pretty much decapitate her before she gets the chance to do anything.

Basing from hype, Eli wins.

If her Ark got praises from 2 AAs, whose Arks were enough to obliterate Galan, she got this. Not to mention her immense healing.

If we're basing these matches solely off of hype,she doesn't win actually.
Both Arthur and King have better overall hype.Sure her Ark and healing gets hyped ever so often,but her speed,strength,durability and overall combat prowess...not so much.

Also Galan never got obliterated by the AAs Ark.He overpowered Tarmiel's Ark and was about to spiritbomb Sariel's ass with it.He also escaped an Omega Ark in base form.Don't dismiss him in this match up like that

 

[kaiiruuu]

She doesn't have the speed to avoid Arthur.Neither does she have the speed to hit him.
He can pretty much decapitate her before she gets the chance to do anything.


If we're basing these matches solely off of hype,she doesn't win actually.
Both Arthur and King have better overall hype.Sure her Ark and healing gets hyped ever so often,but her speed,strength,durability and overall combat prowess...not so much.

Also Galan never got obliterated by the AAs Ark.He overpowered Tarmiel's Ark and was about to spiritbomb Sariel's ass with it.He also escaped an Omega Ark in base form.Don't dismiss him in this match up like that

Which is why your examples are a mismatch. Those three, well excluding Arthur, actually showed feats both in magic and physically whereas Eli only in the magic area (and probably durability).

The only fair match up there is against Arthur, which I think Eli also takes. The only reason he was able to hit the high ranked demons, is because the were testing the Excalibur.

Eli has the advantage of flight and she can just spam Spiteful Saint in the air and wait for Excalibur to wear off.