Discussion NNT versus thread

[OtakuFreak]

Ominous Nebula is a rotation of darkness that was capable of outspeeding every living organism (-Merlin) apparently and even surpassed Ludoshel's speed with the Flash Grace.

Maybe it's just my bias for the Goddesses, but if the Supreme Deity's speed-orientated power is outdone by ON, then there should be no way that Ban can surpass ON's speed.

In fact, I'd argue Ludoshel is faster than Ban, and he was best by ON.

In a battle of pure speed, ON makes Ban helpless IMO.

Now if this was an actual battle? Ban would win probably.

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Here's my idea:

The Demon King and Zeldris have magic immunity, could the Supreme Deity naturally overthrow this status with her own power or would she be helpless?

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Ominous Nebula is a rotation of darkness that was capable of outspeeding every living organism (-Merlin) apparently and even surpassed Ludoshel's speed with the Flash Grace.

Maybe it's just my bias for the Goddesses, but if the Supreme Deity's speed-orientated power is outdone by ON, then there should be no way that Ban can surpass ON's speed.

In fact, I'd argue Ludoshel is faster than Ban, and he was best by ON.

In a battle of pure speed, ON makes Ban helpless IMO.

Now if this was an actual battle? Ban would win probably.

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Here's my idea:

The Demon King and Zeldris have magic immunity, could the Supreme Deity naturally overthrow this status with her own power or would she be helpless?

She would be helpless

 

[OtakuFreak]

She would be helpless

Then how is she his equal?

Plus, the SD granted immunity from the DK's commandments.

It seems like they are capable of nullifying any immunity that each other has.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Then how is she his equal?

Plus, the SD granted immunity from the DK's commandments.

It seems like they are capable of nullifying any immunity that each other has.

She may simply heal him and he takes damages?

 

[OtakuFreak]

She may simply heal him and he takes damages?

Not talking about The Ruler.

Just his regular magic immunity. Elizabeth apparently bypassed it, her mother should be able to.

 

[Seven777]

Well Elizabeth got through the DK's and Zeldris' immunity to magic last chapter, so the SD probably could as well.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Well Elizabeth got through the DK's and Zeldris' immunity to magic last chapter, so the SD probably could as well.

Mael with the sun grace did as well. In fact, there's no question that the Supreme Deiyy should be able to.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Not talking about The Ruler.

Just his regular magic immunity. Elizabeth apparently bypassed it, her mother should be able to.

Elizabeth didn't bypass it, the DK was weakened and had no access to his powers

 

[OtakuFreak]

Elizabeth didn't bypass it, the DK was weakened and had no access to his powers

Then why did the Demon King in Mel's body (was weakened as well) was stated by Merlin to be immune to magic?

 

[BurlapJack]

Then why did the Demon King in Mel's body (was weakened as well) was stated by Merlin to be immune to magic?

Could be argued to be a better vessel

Whereas zel's body just sucks in comparison

 

[OtakuFreak]

Could be argued to be a better vessel

Whereas zel's body just sucks in comparison

I'd argue only a better vessel in terms of raw power.

The Demon King in a weaker body should still have his abilities, like magic immunity. The reason why he didn't take Elizabeth's magic seriously is because he assumed his immunity couldn't by bypassed by her (I'm assuming)

 

[BurlapJack]

I'd argue only a better vessel in terms of raw power.

The Demon King in a weaker body should still have his abilities, like magic immunity. The reason why he didn't take Elizabeth's magic seriously is because he assumed his immunity couldn't by bypassed by her (I'm assuming)

And yet he doesn't

So that may be out of the picture in a weaker body

 

[Seven777]

Zeldris with his weaker body and no commandments could still nullify magic.

Ludo's ark blade hurt Zeldris, as did his "greeting". I'd say it's simply a case of some attacks work, some don't. Maybe if there is a physical aspect to the magic attack it works, or something like that. Zeldris had to block First Form Chastiefol, which is a magic attack, but could nullify Sunflower.

 

[BurlapJack]

Actually, demon king was only seen with ruler in his real body

He hasn't been shown to have in a vessel so far, only assumptions, even from merlin

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Zeldris with his weaker body and no commandments could still nullify magic.

Ludo's ark blade hurt Zeldris, as did his "greeting". I'd say it's simply a case of some attacks work, some don't. Maybe if there is a physical aspect to the magic attack it works, or something like that. Zeldris had to block First Form Chastiefol, which is a magic attack, but could nullify Sunflower.

Ehh idk about thw ludo case as escanor kinda slapped the sonic rings and abilities out of him for a second (plenty of time for ludo to get to him

 

[Seven777]

Actually, demon king was only seen with ruler in his real body

He hasn't been shown to have in a vessel so far, only assumptions, even from merlin

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Ehh idk about thw ludo case as escanor kinda slapped the sonic rings and abilities out of him for a second (plenty of time for ludo to get to him

I was talking about the second time when Ludo snagged him after he used the DK's magic to nullify Merlins spell on the Masters. Plus the "greeting" ark got him good.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Zeldris with his weaker body and no commandments could still nullify magic.

Ludo's ark blade hurt Zeldris, as did his "greeting". I'd say it's simply a case of some attacks work, some don't. Maybe if there is a physical aspect to the magic attack it works, or something like that. Zeldris had to block First Form Chastiefol, which is a magic attack, but could nullify Sunflower.

Zeldris can turn off/on his magic immunity

Like you said if Zeldris has magic immunity, why doesn't the Demon King (the creator of said ability) have it in the same body?

Magical attacks with a physical element might still damage the Demon King - I.E the magic is negated but the physical damage is upheld. Good example could be an ark-infused punch. The ark is negated, but the punch still lands (so basically think of a regular punch).

Problem with this, is that the only physical interaction Elizabeth had against the Demon King was tossing him around in the ark - WHICH definitely shouldn't make him bleed to that extent. It was emphasised that Elizabeth exploding the ark hurt him.

Pretty sure she just bypassed the magic immunity somehow.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

If Zeldris has magic immunity without being DK tier then DK Zel should definitely have magic immunity as well. No matter which way you slice it DK Zel is not weaker than regular Zel so how can he lose a power when he has nothing to lose in the first place

 

[sobreno]

Zeldris can turn off/on his magic immunity

Like you said if Zeldris has magic immunity, why doesn't the Demon King (the creator of said ability) have it in the same body?

Magical attacks with a physical element might still damage the Demon King - I.E the magic is negated but the physical damage is upheld. Good example could be an ark-infused punch. The ark is negated, but the punch still lands (so basically think of a regular punch).

Problem with this, is that the only physical interaction Elizabeth had against the Demon King was tossing him around in the ark - WHICH definitely shouldn't make him bleed to that extent. It was emphasised that Elizabeth exploding the ark hurt him.

Pretty sure she just bypassed the magic immunity somehow.

Nope, he was just still too weak and nerfed to use any of his basic abilities like God and The Ruler.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Nope, he was just still too weak and nerfed to use any of his basic abilities like God and The Ruler.

You'll say anything to not give Elizabeth credit right?

If Zeldris can use magic immunity, why can't the Demon King in the very same body?

It doesn't matter if he's nerfed, he gave the same ability to Zeldris and is stronger than his son inside said vessel yet can't use it?

You're making no sense.

 

[BurlapJack]

God is hard to defend and hard to argue against because he took the demon king's bombs which were stronger than any offense there was at the time, but didn't work with helios fair or the "greeting" ark beam

One would try to argue that maybe strong enough holy light magic could work, but it also nulled gold shining