Discussion NNT versus thread

[OtakuFreak]

King. Graylord's Commandment shouldn't matter since King has the petrification ability that he hasn't shown in years.

Wondered why Nakaba hasn't shown that ability in a while..

Last time he used it was against that Fodder Demon who happened to be Guila's father, Dale?

Jeez that was season 1 arc.

Nakaba probably kept the ability way considering it's OP.

 

[Master of the Sun]

You were only off by 30k. With the Sins, excluding Escanor, but including pre power up Mel, the Holy Knights have a total of 150k, without them it's 130k. You can probably replace Mel when you add in Gilthunder and Howzer's new power level, Jericho's new power, and Vivian power level.

A better scenario would be to separate AM Mel and Escanor and have Helbram fight them one on one.

Let`s see how he fares against 114k Escanor then

 

[Shadowlord123]

Helbram (linked with all Holy Knights) vs AM Meliodas and 114k Escanor
King, Merlin, Diane, Ban, Gowther (Holy Knights arc) vs all Holy Knights
King vs Graylord
Diane vs Merascylla
Sariel and Tarmiel (human hosts) vs Monspiet and Derieri
Wild vs Galan

If I remember correctly the power of all holy knights should be 130K, so Helbram should be 130K+. Individually, he wins against 114K Escanor and loses to AM Mel. The two together win easily.

The sins win.

King petrifies him with high difficulty at most.

If Melascula doesn't play dumb she can win via mindfucking her. If she goes snake mode then Diane wins easily.

Derieri and Monspiet might take it we're talking about the versions whose combined attacks didn't do anything to Estarossa. However if the AA use their Graces just like they did with Esta it's a stomp.

I would say that Galan takes it right now. We need more info on Wild.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

I think the 130K is actually a lot lower due to the fact that the spirit stat is included and so far it’s been pretty useless unless you’re fighting Gowther

 

[Raiyan]

Vs thread is silent again so lets try this one

Post purgotory Mel (with Demon mark) Vs Merlin and Gowther (with emotion)

 

[OtakuFreak]

Vs thread is silent again so lets try this one

Post purgotory Mel (with Demon mark) Vs Merlin and Gowther (with emotion)

What is Meliodas PL post purgatory again? 60k?

 

[Bøjan]

What is Meliodas PL post purgatory again? 60k?

Yes

 

[OtakuFreak]

Yes

Then I give it to Merlin and Gowther.

I mean realistically, Merlin just locks Meliodas in a perfect cube and he can't do anything about it.

Plus, is 60k with or without his second demon mark?

 

[Bøjan]

Then I give it to Merlin and Gowther.

I mean realistically, Merlin just locks Meliodas in a perfect cube and he can't do anything about it.

Plus, is 60k with or without his second demon mark?

60k with no demon mark, 90-100k with demon mark. Also how is she going to lock him when he can do the same thing as Galand but move like 5 times faster? They'll die without even knowing.

 

[OtakuFreak]

60k with no demon mark, 90-100k with demon mark. Also how is she going to lock him when he can do the same thing as Galand but move like 5 times faster?

Well if it's Meliodas at 90-100k (AA tier) then Merlin and Gowther can't do anything lol.

At 60k they had a somewhat of a chance, but 100k is too much.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Mel stomps hard.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Here's a few:

Chandler in Dragon Form vs Post-Purgatory (PP) Meliodas(Where he is 90-100k)

Ludoshel vs 90-100k Meliodas

Mael ''The One'' vs Demon King (50%)

Goddess Elizabeth + Meliodas (90-100k) vs Ludoshel, Sariel + Tarmiel

Four Archangels (Mael has sunshine at 11:00 am) vs Ten Commandments (Meliodas as leader, no Assault mode)

Four Archangels (Mael is at 11:00 am) vs Assault Meliodas

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas (60k base, 90-100k second demon mark)

If they've been asked and answered before, ignore them.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Here's a few:

Chandler in Dragon Form vs Post-Purgatory (PP) Meliodas(Where he is 90-100k)

Ludoshel vs 90-100k Meliodas

Mael ''The One'' vs Demon King (50%)

Goddess Elizabeth + Meliodas (90-100k) vs Ludoshel, Sariel + Tarmiel

Four Archangels (Mael has sunshine at 11:00 am) vs Ten Commandments (Meliodas as leader, no Assault mode)

Four Archangels (Mael is at 11:00 am) vs Assault Meliodas

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas (60k base, 90-100k second demon mark)

If they've been asked and answered before, ignore them.

Could go either way, tbh. I see both of them being at the same league, but if I had to choose one it would be Meliodas with high to extreme difficulty.

Again, Meliodas high to extreme difficulty, however, depending of what Flash does at full power I might change my opinion.

Demon King wins. He can absorb all of his attacks with The Ruler and physically overpower him. He probably can hax him to death too.

The three AA win until Eli shows more feats.

AA win with high difficulty. I think Mael at 11 am should be above Meliodas outside of Assault Mode and Ludo and Zel seem to be equals. Sariel and Tarmiel should win against the other commandments.

I think that the AA should win, but I don't know the difficulty. I guess it depends on how strong 11AM Mael and full power Ludo are.

Meliodas easy. He is above her in all the categories except probably magic, but that won't be a problem because of Full Counter and Counter Vanish.

 

[Mythoclast]

-Chandler
-Ludociel
-The Demon King obviously
-The Archangels
-The Archangels
-The Archangels probably
-Meliodas

 

[OtakuFreak]

Could go either way, tbh. I see both of them being at the same league, but if I had to choose one it would be Meliodas with high to extreme difficulty.

Agreed. Chandler could win it due to the fact that he has stronger magic and has much more versatile abilities.

Again, Meliodas high to extreme difficulty, however, depending of what Flash does at full power I might change my opinion.

Only because he has full counter. If Ludoshel's Flash makes him too fast for Meliodas, then Mel can't do much.

emon King wins. He can absorb all of his attacks with The Ruler and physically overpower him. He probably can hax him to death too.

But what if Mael in ''The One'' was put at a close level with the Demon King? I know my scenario had an obvious answer, but I imagine that for a minute Mael should be able to resist the Demon King.

The three AA win until Eli shows more feats.

Since it's a 3v2, the AA's take it with high difficulty

AA win with high difficulty. I think Mael at 11 am should be above Meliodas outside of Assault Mode and Ludo and Zel seem to be equals. Sariel and Tarmiel should win against the other commandments.

Agreed. Only Zeldris and Meliodas are trouble for the AA, and considering how Sariel + Tarmiel (or any other 2AA) could throw all the other TC's into their dimension and fry them, it's easy.

I think that the AA should win, but I don't know the difficulty. I guess it depends on how strong 11AM Mael and full power Ludo are.

Moderate difficulty, since I believe the other AA would support Mael, who should be roughly equivalent or higher than Meliodas at this time.

Meliodas easy. He is above her in all the categories except probably magic, but that won't be a problem because of Full Counter and Counter Vanish.

I do think Meliodas would win, but not at the difficulty of being easy, probably moderate-high instead.

Goddess Elizabeth has a decent fair of durability and speed, but its not at the level of Meliodas at this form.

Her magic is undeniably stronger, so if she was to shield herself, or land a magic attack, it would do some heavy or significant damage, but the only issue with that is full counter, and Meliodas speed.

Meliodas would win but considering how Elizabeth's magic is a big threat, and she would take several hits to go down, it would take Meliodas moderate difficulty imo.

 

[Shadowlord123]

But what if Mael in ''The One'' was put at a close level with the Demon King? I know my scenario had an obvious answer, but I imagine that for a minute Mael should be able to resist the Demon King.

I would assume that you need to be equal or stronger than the DK to bypass The Ruler. That or having an extremely haxed ability like Gowther. Neither of the two applies to Mael. Just to clarify I don't see the DK stomping him unless he uses hax like True Night, but I also don't see Mael pushing him to more than mid difficulty and that's being generous.

I do think Meliodas would win, but not at the difficulty of being easy, probably moderate-high instead.

Goddess Elizabeth has a decent fair of durability and speed, but its not at the level of Meliodas at this form.

Her magic is undeniably stronger, so if she was to shield herself, or land a magic attack, it would do some heavy or significant damage, but the only issue with that is full counter, and Meliodas speed.

Meliodas would win but considering how Elizabeth's magic is a big threat, and she would take several hits to go down, it would take Meliodas moderate difficulty imo.

Don't know about it. To be honest, Eli's feats are a little bit confusing. On the one hand, we see her being oneshotted by a normal punch from Derieri and on the other hand we see her all bloody fighting the Gods, thing that seems to imply that she has tanked attacks from them. That's why I always say that we need more feats to gauge her strenght properly.

As for the Full Counter thing, there are two ways for getting through it:

1- Being far faster than your opponent, attacking him before he can react (Escanor vs Estarossa).
2- Tricking your opponent.

The first one is imposible and for the second one, Eli's attacks have been pretty linear like the Drill of Light or the Ark so I heavily doubt it can work. So yeah, like I said until Eli shows more, Mel wins this easy for me.

 

[Demonspeed]

-Chandler
-Ludociel
-The Demon King obviously
-The Archangels
-The Archangels
-The Archangels probably
-Meliodas

I agree with this excepted the Archangels VS all the TC and maybe two first ones. The Commandments's abilities are much more versatile even though most are weaker.

It is really hard to gauge how powerful Mel is with his normal Demon mark. I feel like he has to be stronger because he is Mel sometimes. Against Chandler, I think he would win, but against Ludociel I am not sure, feats-wise that Mel is below Sariel and Tarmiel to me. And we know Ludociel is stronger than these two so I am going to say Ludociel for now.

 

[sobreno]

1) It is difficult but I will go with Mel with high dif

2) Same here, Flash didn't do anything impressive beyond the speed of Mel's reaction for now, so Mel would take it with high dif unless Ludo show more feat, he will face Zeldoris with the same exact mark anyway, and no one can't say that he will solo him lol.

3) DK and not even close.

4) Archangels high dif, he was confident to face them but I am not sure lol.

5) Could go either way. If members of the 10C decide to sacrifice themselves for Indura ( like they did against Ludo ), they win easily.

6) AM Mel with mid difficult, he one shot Mael with a single punch and kill him this time instead of playing around, then eat the rest. He is too fast and too strong for them in that state.

7) Mel obviously lol.

 

[Bøjan]

It is really hard to gauge how powerful Mel is with his normal Demon mark.

He gained about 25k with his incomplete demon mark (pre Purgatory). So with his 60k base he should AT LEAST get a 30k boost, and i think 100k with his demon mark is pretty ok if you ask me.

 

[sobreno]

He gained about 25k with his incomplete demon mark (pre Purgatory). So with his 60k base he should AT LEAST get a 30k boost, and i think 100k with his demon mark is pretty ok if you ask me.

And you know that Mel never lose when his opponent has the same exact PL than him, he always had the edge for being a better fighter lol.
He was even confident to take them all when he was helping Elizabeth lol.