Discussion NNT versus thread

[sobreno]

I know that. It still doesn't change the fact that he turned his back to him and is not fighting for the Demons, does it?

Well, most commandment work on the intent or will of the victim, I don't see how Piety is different in that regard.

 

[Raiyan]

Still no translation for the chapter so lets light the VS thread again

Post training Merlin, King, Diane, Ban, Escanor (except THE ONE) Vs Mel (AM) and Gowther jr. (with full power via creator)

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Assault Mel. Merlin already confirmed that that if she were to drop the cube Mel would kill them all. I don’t think Ban will be able to steal enough to harm Mel too much.

 

[Demonspeed]

1. Demon Mael(by that I mean Mael with the Estarossa persona at 60K) VS Base Chandler.
2. Gowther and King VS Estarossa the Love.
3. 3C Mael(Yeah, the one from Chapter 275) VS 114K+ Escanor .
4. 3C Mael VS Assault Mode Meliodas.
5. 114K Escanor(not 114K+) VS Sariel and Tarmiel.

 

[HereNThere]

1. Demon Mael(by that I mean Mael with the Estarossa persona at 60K) VS Base Chandler.
2. Gowther and King VS Estarossa the Love.
3. 3C Mael(Yeah, the one from Chapter 275) VS 114K+ Escanor .
4. 3C Mael VS Assault Mode Meliodas.
5. 114K Escanor(not 114K+) VS Sariel and Tarmiel.

1. Base Chandler should take this. Too many spells that'll screw up Estarossa. Microscopic will probably do him in.
2. King and Gowther. As implied above, I think Chandler is stronger than Estarossa, and Celestial Arrow, despite not killing him, did a hell of a number on him. Enough to give the Sins a fighting chance. I don't think Estarossa has the tools to deal with their particular magic and fighting style.
3. Insufficient Data. Please standby until next week.
4. Read above.
5. This is a good one. Also a hard one. Assuming Graces can harm other wielders, this will probably come down to whether or not Escanor's body can withstand the attacks long enough until these two tire out.

 

[Seven777]

1.Chandler
2.King & Gowther
3.Escanor
4.Meliodas
5.Escanor

 

[Mythoclast]

1.Chandler
2.King and Gowther
3.Mael
4.Meliodas
5.Escanor

 

[OtakuFreak]

If been asked, answered, or speculated on before, ignore them please! :

5-Commandments Meliodas vs Demon King (in purgatory, who's nerfed from his 50% I believe)

Free for all between the sins during the kingdom ark where they are all 3K PL.

Graceless Sariel vs Graceless Tarmiel

Permanent 50k Escanor vs Gloxinia

Gloxinia vs Drole

Gowther Senior vs Zeldris

Hendrickson vs Dreyfus (without both of them influenced by demonic entities/powers)

Permanent 114k Escanor vs 3C-Mael/Estarossa

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Indura's at phase 2

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Chandler (no true night)

In magic only, Merlin vs Chandler

In magic only (ark), Elizabeth vs every other angel individually

Supreme Goddess vs Demon King both 100% and arm wrestling each other only.

Gowther vs Merlin in rock, paper, scissors.

Y'all better answer the last two or don't respond

 

[HereNThere]

Free for all between the sins during the kingdom ark where they are all 3K PL.

From what we saw performance wise, I'm certain it would come down to a three way fight between Mel, King, and Ban.

Permanent 50k Escanor vs Gloxinia

Depends on how much power is charged in Rhitta and whether or not Sunshine could burn away the various poisons/venoms Basquias has. Leaning towards Gloxinia though.

Hendrickson vs Dreyfus (without both of them influenced by demonic entities/powers)

Dreyfus stomps. Hard. Rock hard.

Permanent 114k Escanor vs 3C-Mael/Estarossa

Literally asked five posts above.

In magic only, Merlin vs Chandler

We saw this. Chandler stomped her at point blank range.

Gowther vs Merlin in rock, paper, scissors.

Gowther cheats using Invasion and wins.

 

[Demonspeed]

If been asked, answered, or speculated on before, ignore them please! :

5-Commandments Meliodas vs Demon King (in purgatory, who's nerfed from his 50% I believe)

The Demon King wins.

Free for all between the sins during the kingdom ark where they are all 3K PL.

Is Escanor included? Is Meliodas allowed to power up? The former can't really be at 3K. Hm...

Meliodas and Ban fight each other, King can't fight Diane, he ends up losing to one of the other Sin, maybe Diane herself because he will be distracted by her, same thing happens to Escanor who can't fight Merlin. Hard to predict what Gowther and Merlin would do here but they are among the smartest and they would fight strategically... Merlin wins most likely, she or Gowther, or Meliodas if he is allowed to use his mark.

Graceless Sariel vs Graceless Tarmiel

Again, draw.

Permanent 50k Escanor vs Gloxinia

Escanor more often than not.

Gloxinia vs Drole

Huh, draw.

Gowther Senior vs Zeldris

Zeldris, but not easily.

Hendrickson vs Dreyfus (without both of them influenced by demonic entities/powers)

Dreyfus.

Permanent 114k Escanor vs 3C-Mael/Estarossa

If it's Assault Mode Mael, Escanor wins. If it's the current Mael with his Goddess power, Escanor loses.

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Indura's at phase 2

Phase 2? They don't really have feats and I doubt it's natural. Indura I think.

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Chandler (no true night)

Escanor.

In magic only, Merlin vs Chandler

Is it about magic power or skill? In terms of power, from what we know Chandler is ahead but I believe Merlin is more skilled.

In magic only (ark), Elizabeth vs every other angel individually

Sariel/Tarmiel> Ludociel/Mael> Elizabeth for now...

Supreme Goddess vs Demon King both 100% and arm wrestling each other only.

The Demon King should have more physical strength.

Gowther vs Merlin in rock, paper, scissors.

Can't really know but Gowther would probably use Invasion and read Merlin's mind to win.

 

[Seven777]

5-Commandments Meliodas vs Demon King (in purgatory, who's nerfed from his 50% I believe)
Demon King, Easy
Free for all between the sins during the kingdom ark where they are all 3K PL.
Ban easily, Hunters Festival on all sin would put him close to 10k. Unless Escanor is there obviously
Graceless Sariel vs Graceless Tarmiel
Tarmiel, cause he's like 8 feet tall.
Permanent 50k Escanor vs Gloxinia
Escanor, Rhitta is OP
Gloxinia vs Drole
Drole, his dance should put him at 90k
Gowther Senior vs Zeldris
Gowther Senior cause hype, and his abilities are OP
Hendrickson vs Dreyfus (without both of them influenced by demonic entities/powers)
Dreyfus easy
Permanent 114k Escanor vs 3C-Mael/Estarossa
Escanor easy before memories, but still wins afterwards too.
Permanent 114k Escanor vs Indura's at phase 2
Escanor, they'll die before the beat him
Permanent 114k Escanor vs Chandler (no true night)
Escanor, beating Glox and Dolor isnt that impressive
In magic only, Merlin vs Chandler
Chandler cause his body is tougher, but if you just mean who knows more, Merlin.
In magic only (ark), Elizabeth vs every other angel individually
Loses to all AA, beats Nerobasta and all the rest.
Supreme Goddess vs Demon King both 100% and arm wrestling each other only.
Demon King, look at those Bicepts
Gowther vs Merlin in rock, paper, scissors.
Gowther, cause he makes Merlin go paper

 

[Raiyan]

5-Commandments Meliodas vs Demon King (in purgatory, who's nerfed from his 50% I believe)

DK easily

Free for all between the sins during the kingdom ark where they are all 3K PL.

Between either Mel/King or Gowther (my opinion)

Graceless Sariel vs Graceless Tarmiel

I'll go with Tarmiel

Permanent 50k Escanor vs Gloxinia

Escanor but Gloxinia's drop of life will be a pain

Gloxinia vs Drole

I'll say Drole

Gowther Senior vs Zeldris

Zel with high diff

Hendrickson vs Dreyfus (without both of them influenced by demonic entities/powers)

Dreyfus

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Indura's at phase 2

haven't seen what indura phase 2 capable of so Escanor

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Chandler (no true night)

I'll go Chandler if he's mage mode otherwise Escanor will win against dragon form

In magic only, Merlin vs Chandler

Chandler beats Merlin while dancing

In magic only (ark), Elizabeth vs every other angel individually

Other angels

Supreme Goddess vs Demon King both 100% and arm wrestling each other only.

DK will win with his pinky finger

Gowther vs Merlin in rock, paper, scissors.

Gowther uses Invasion "Game Over"

 

[Aldan]

Still no translation for the chapter so lets light the VS thread again

Post training Merlin, King, Diane, Ban, Escanor (except THE ONE) Vs Mel (AM) and Gowther jr. (with full power via creator)

Gowther can be dispelled with a single Absolute Cancel. King and Diane can be a slight irritation for AM Mel while Ban wastes himself trying to siphon off a tiny fraction of AM Mel's strength. Escanor attacks with that tiny opening as Merlin poweramplifies and bend rooms the f*ck out of his attacks. AM Mel crushes King, Diane, Merlin and Escanor just as they become annoying. Merlin pulls a soul transfer off and perfect cubes AM Mel while his guard is down. Merlin can't restore bloodied corpse and eventually dies. Mel rampages fruitlessly until dear teacher frees him. GG AM Mel wins in the long run

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 23, 2018, Original Post Date: Jul 23, 2018 ---

If been asked, answered, or speculated on before, ignore them please! :

5-Commandments Meliodas vs Demon King (in purgatory, who's nerfed from his 50% I believe)

Free for all between the sins during the kingdom ark where they are all 3K PL.

Graceless Sariel vs Graceless Tarmiel

Permanent 50k Escanor vs Gloxinia

Gloxinia vs Drole

Gowther Senior vs Zeldris

Hendrickson vs Dreyfus (without both of them influenced by demonic entities/powers)

Permanent 114k Escanor vs 3C-Mael/Estarossa

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Indura's at phase 2

Permanent 114k Escanor vs Chandler (no true night)

In magic only, Merlin vs Chandler

In magic only (ark), Elizabeth vs every other angel individually

Supreme Goddess vs Demon King both 100% and arm wrestling each other only.

Gowther vs Merlin in rock, paper, scissors.

Y'all better answer the last two or don't respond

1) DK, c'mon dude
2) Merlin teleports them into a volcano. GG
3) Tarmiel has versatility with his heads. Tarmiel.
4) Glox barely wins
5) Gloxinia due to raw power.
6) Gowther Sr. He has magic and invasion. He can con Zel into nuking himself.
7) Dreyfus, hendy can't even use his magic on dreyfus
8) Escanor barely wins
9) Escanor loses.
10) Escanor wins.
11) Merlin can outmagic that fat lump
12) Elizabeth has more raw power than Sar and Tar. Cld go either way with rudociel.
13) Supreme Goddess (THICC)
14) Merlin. Gowther tries to read mind but finds out Merlin created a fake mind and has been using an ilusion to get msgic item #215 on Gowther which triggers hallucinations while also turning his right arm into a fabulous coffee maker.

 

[Demonspeed]

Slader VS Hendrickson.

 

[HereNThere]

Slader VS Hendrickson.

This is actually a good one.

I'm going with Slader since Overpower is pretty ridiculous and since Hendy seems to have lost any semblance of good swordsman ship with his Demon blood.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Slader VS Hendrickson.

Hard one to be fair!

This is actually a good one.

I'm going with Slader since Overpower is pretty ridiculous and since Hendy seems to have lost any semblance of good swordsman ship with his Demon blood.

He didn't specify which Hendrickson.

I'm going to assume he means the Hendrickson prior to Ash-grey.

If so, Hendrickson should win considering he has hellblaze and acid down, which is immediate death for someone like Slader if he gets touched by it.

Then again, overpower is pretty strong... and could mean the end for Hendrickson.

Mid-high diff for Hendrickson imo

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 30, 2018, Original Post Date: Jul 30, 2018 ---

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread for it, but since these are battles between taizai characters, might as well put it here:

-How did Helbram beat Meliodas when he was going berserk? Looking purely at the PL's, it doesn't make any sense. Meliodas in his berserk form back in the Vaizel Festival Fight Arc had a PL of 10,300, to Helbram's 1,400. Heck, King even said that Helbram being inside a Human form limited his powers, so his PL was probably even lower.

So how does a 1,400 Fairy beat a 10,300 berserk demon? I mean, sure Hendrickson and 20 other average Holy Knights lent him strength, but that still doesn't make up for the gap in power I believe?

Hendrickson: 2,650 PL
Average Holy Knight PL (300) x 20 = 6000
+ Helbram's = A maximum of 10050

It's close to Meliodas now, but considering Helbram wasn't at his full strength, and Hendrickson noted to lend him a ''little bit of power'' rather than his full, suggests he wasn't close to Meliodas PL. And even if he was, how does he one-shot Meliodas? Is it because of the plot?

-How did Dreyfus solo Diane so easily? She had her sacred treasure, Gideon, and has a slightly larger PL to Dreyfus back in the Kingdom Arc. He was 3000 (1k to each stat) whilst Diane was at 3,250. Diane's magic was slightly weaker (by 100 PL) but Dreyfus easily resisted her Ground Gladius without breaking a sweat. Was Diane just that weaker than him? I mean she basically fodderized a Helbram who had Hendrickson + 20 average holy knights behind him but can't break through Dreyfus? I remember watching this in the anime and was left so confused given that the sins should be stronger to everyone else and only on par with the Great Holy Knights, but Diane got defeated so quickly lol.

 

[Demonspeed]

Current Hendrickson. He should have lost the ability to use Hellblaze, he doesn't have Demon powers enhancing him.

 

[kaiiruuu]

Slader. Considering he overpowered Gowther (Kingdom invitation arc), who should have higher PL than him and he still managed to break his neck.

 

[HereNThere]

He didn't specify which Hendrickson.

I'm assuming he means current Hendy, since just posting the names tends to mean the current version. At least, in my mind. If it is Ash Demon Hendy, then he would win.

How did Helbram beat Meliodas when he was going berserk?

Power levels weren't set in stone or fully thought out. Helbram, more importantly, Hendy were implied to be a lot stronger back then than they are now. Helbram trashed King easily beforehand. Even if he wasn't in a good state of mind, what we know now about King's power compared to Helbram, Helbram shouldn't have gotten away with half as much as he did. In Helbram vs Mel, Helbram was keeping up far better than he had any right, but he was eventually overwhelmed, but then Hendy added his power to the mix, and that made it seem like his power was more vast than the 20 other knights Helbram was linked too.

How did Dreyfus solo Diane so easily?

Break. It's honestly one of the strongest magic abilities in the series. It's dependent on Dreyfus' willpower, so he's basically as strong as he wills. Unlike most other things early on, the series has been consistent with these qualities, allowing him to face threats that are far stronger than he was, including doing damage to the 32k Mel, rejecting Fraudrin's possession easily, despite the fact that Fraudrin should've still been stronger than him, then going on to force Fraudrin to use his magic to survive his attack. It's OP as hell. Add that to him just being a bad match for Diane and you have a stomp.

 

[Mythoclast]

Slader pins him down and saws his head off.