Discussion NNT versus thread

[Raiyan]

Howzer Vs Gilthunder

 

[Mythoclast]

With the feats they have I don't see how Chandler can win. He has no chances to win in base, Full Counter or not, it's not like the technique was infallible. And Tarmiel can become intangible to deal with some reflected attacks, there is also his Goddess healing.

With his True From, things will be different, but he apparently becomes a pure physical fighter.

He was using Absolute order in his True form.Opting to use brute strength doesn't mean he unable to use his spells.

Tarmiel with his Grace should have similar raw power with Chandler.Chandler's plethora of abilities gives him the win here.

 

[Master of the Sun]

Current Mael vs Ludociel

 

[A v i]

True Night was active but he only fought with physical attacks in that form and as you said it is obviously much weaker.

So, until I see more I don't see how he could win this.

How does Chandler entering his true form stop him from using Magic?

Current Mael vs Ludociel

Mael is stronger. Ludo's seems to be decently above the Dynamic Duo, but I doubt he could take on both of them at the same time which Mael could do effortlessly.

If Chandler doesn't have a counter to his intangibility, he has no chance of winning

Darkness does the trick; Considering Estarossa was able to force Tar to go tangible with Darkness. I don't see why Chandler could not use the same trick. I think infusing weapons with Darkness may do the trick. Besides, we don't know if it won't have an impact on him if his own attacks are reflected on him.

 

[Master of the Sun]

Just because he used a sword against the kings does not mean that he loses his magic. That would be some Mela shit. We have seen Chandler holding his staff at the start of the Holy War. True Night was also there when he fought the kings. And besides, Chandler`s fighting style is very interesting because not only is he the most powerful mage alive in the manga, he is also a physical powerhouse. Taking away his magic would turn him into a weaker version of Meliodas, which would be a huge waste.

 

[Demonspeed]

Even if he can use it, it is obviously much weaker. His specialty is CQC, I don't see him winning with his feats.

 

[Gallon]

Howzer vs Sariel.

 

[Charon913155]

Howzer vs Sariel.

Merlin

 

[HereNThere]

Howzer vs Sariel.

Howzer surrenders and tries to get Sariel to give him his vessel's number.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Howzer Vs Gilthunder

Gilthunder, but high difficulty in my opinion.

 

[A v i]

Even if he can use it, it is obviously much weaker. His specialty is CQC, I don't see him winning with his feats.

Is there a specific reason, other than the fact that he did not use any magic based attacks in it, as to why you think Chandler's magic stats in his true form decline?

I think he could make use of the same method which Estarossa used to force Tarmiel to go tangible.

 

[Demonspeed]

Is there a specific reason, other than the fact that he did not use any magic based attacks in it, as to why you think Chandler's magic stats in his true form decline?

I think he could make use of the same method which Estarossa used to force Tarmiel to go tangible.

Because his fighting style becomes totally different? Magic power is lost for physical strength. Obviously he can hit him, I never said he can't. But I don't see him winning when physical ability and CQC are his specialties like that.

His Magic power can't be as high as before when he gets such a high physical boost and a PL in the 80K-90K in this mode. His PL should be in the 60K in Base and in this mode his physical abilities are not great, Magic is clearly his specialty like that. No way his Strength is above 10K in Base, however it's safe to say his Magic is at least 40-45K.

In his True Form, his Strength is clearly above Estarossa or Base Mel. Let's say it's 60K(I believe it's higher) and he has a PL of 90K, that leaves 30K for the two others.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Chandler can still use magic in his buff form. True night didn’t go away meaning that his magic was still active

 

[danh]

Well, Tarmiel became tangible form by Estarossa but just in a short time, then after that, he came back to his normal form, those darkness completely gone. He could overcome it by light magic. It was just because no one knew Estarossa just got a huge power up at that time, they were wondering themselves and Estarossa gave a surprised attack. If he already acknowledged about the level and power of the opponents, he would not let it happens.
For Chandler, I think he still can use magic in his True Form, but it is weaker than his normal form.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Howzer Vs Gilthunder

Howzer. He has the higher PL and he bested Gil in their little match in one of the recent chapters.

 

[A v i]

Because his fighting style becomes totally different? Magic power is lost for physical strength. Obviously he can hit him, I never said he can't. But I don't see him winning when physical ability and CQC are his specialties like that.

His Magic power can't be as high as before when he gets such a high physical boost and a PL in the 80K-90K in this mode. His PL should be in the 60K in Base and in this mode his physical abilities are not great, Magic is clearly his specialty like that. No way his Strength is above 10K in Base, however it's safe to say his Magic is at least 40-45K.

In his True Form, his Strength is clearly above Estarossa or Base Mel. Let's say it's 60K(I believe it's higher) and he has a PL of 90K, that leaves 30K for the two others.

I understand the logic but I don't see any basis to support the idea that change in fighting style requires one to sacrifice magic power/physical strength to boost his physical strength/magic power. I mean something like this never happened in the manga for us to unanimously decide that it should be the case.

What if his PL is in 100K+ range? If his PS alone is in 60K range like you said, then 35-40K for magic and 2-5K for other stats makes sense, right? And I don't see why physical attacks can't kill Tarmiel, it's not like he can keep regenerating for 24/7 or anything.

 

[Demonspeed]

I understand the logic but I don't see any basis to support the idea that change in fighting style requires one to sacrifice magic power/physical strength to boost his physical strength/magic power. I mean something like this never happened in the manga for us to unanimously decide that it should be the case.

What if his PL is in 100K+ range? If his PS alone is in 60K range like you said, then 35-40K for magic and 2-5K for other stats makes sense, right?

I'd say the fight was telling enough. Why did he suddenly became such a physical powerhouse when it was not the case before? He went from Mage to physical fighter?

Why would he be in the 100K range when Sariel and Tarmiel are not? I don't believe that the one with the higher PL is necessarily the strongest, but considering their respective skills and the fact that Sariel and Tarmiel are clearly not in the 100K range, there is no way Chandler is at that level.

No, 35-40K doesn't make sense. That puts his Magic at King level, he had lost more than half of Magic Power and he was rivaling King at the end of the the fight. Monspiet himself has 34K Magic and Gloxinia had 50K. Not sure about Gloxinia, but you really think Chandler's Magic is at King and Monspiet's level?

 

[Mythoclast]

Literally nothing implies that Chandler's magic got weaker.

His magic either stayed the same or went even higher since that's the pattern demonic transformations tend to have.

 

[Demonspeed]

Literally nothing implies that Chandler's magic got weaker.

His magic either stayed the same or went even higher since that's the pattern demonic transformations tend to have.

So what do you think was his magic stat?

 

[Arjuna]

Chandler vs Ludo

Merlin vs @Demonspeed

Arthur vs Derierie

Arthur vs Monspiet