Discussion NNT versus thread

[Seven777]

Might as well get a few of these out of the way

Elizabeth vs Sariel or Tarmiel
Elizabeth vs Zeldris
Elizabeth vs normal Derriere and Monspeit
Elizabeth vs Merlin
Elizabeth vs 114k Escanor

Elizabeth is in her goddess form for these fights, Sar and Tar have their graces

 

[OtakuFreak]

Might as well get a few of these out of the way

Elizabeth vs Sariel or Tarmiel
Elizabeth vs Zeldris
Elizabeth vs normal Derriere and Monspeit
Elizabeth vs Merlin
Elizabeth vs 114k Escanor

Elizabeth is in her goddess form for these fights.

1) Elizabeth should win here if we are discounting the blessings, since her ark is much stronger than the angels listed here. The only advantage the angels have over Elizabeth is better physical power and stats, but given that only Ludoshel has shown feats in this area, my answer is still Elizabeth.

2) If Zeldris has the Demon King's magic to use then he wins, otherwise the battle could go either way given they should be extremely equal combatants.

3) Elizabeth hands down. Her memory-less ark in a human form was enough to completely roast Derriere's hand. A full intentional ark from a Goddess Elizabeth would do exceedingly more damage. The difficulty here might be the 1v2 situation and trickstar, but besides that Elizabeth should win.

4) Elizabeth? I have no idea what Merlin has in order to effectively defeat Elizabeth in combat.. @Aldan could probably prove me wrong here though!

5) Elizabeth has superior magical strength and sustain in comparison to Escanor, but the prideful sin has better physical strength and feats in comparison to the Goddess Princess. But given Elizabeth should be informative of sunshine's power and abilities, potentially this knowledge could turn the fight around? I'd give it to Escanor for now, but at a medium-high difficulty given Elizabeth's strengths.

Here's one:

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas with second demon mark.

Don't just say one or the other, give a reason. I think it could go either way considering Elizabeth has the elemental advantage, superior magical power, sustain and counter(?) to full counter. Meliodas has better battle experience, physical strength (etc) and the perfect defence against magic.

I'd give it to Meliodas ultimately, full counter is a big bonus for him and he has more experience in battle. But it would be medium to high difficulty for him, not an essay fight as one would expect.

 

[Seven777]

1) Elizabeth should win here if we are discounting the blessings, since her ark is much stronger than the angels listed here. The only advantage the angels have over Elizabeth is better physical power and stats, but given that only Ludoshel has shown feats in this area, my answer is still Elizabeth.

2) If Zeldris has the Demon King's magic to use then he wins, otherwise the battle could go either way given they should be extremely equal combatants.

3) Elizabeth hands down. Her memory-less ark in a human form was enough to completely roast Derriere's hand. A full intentional ark from a Goddess Elizabeth would do exceedingly more damage. The difficulty here might be the 1v2 situation and trickstar, but besides that Elizabeth should win.

4) Elizabeth? I have no idea what Merlin has in order to effectively defeat Elizabeth in combat.. @Aldan could probably prove me wrong here though!

5) Elizabeth has superior magical strength and sustain in comparison to Escanor, but the prideful sin has better physical strength and feats in comparison to the Goddess Princess. But given Elizabeth should be informative of sunshine's power and abilities, potentially this knowledge could turn the fight around? I'd give it to Escanor for now, but at a medium-high difficulty given Elizabeth's strengths.

Here's one:

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas with second demon mark.

Don't just say one or the other, give a reason. I think it could go either way considering Elizabeth has the elemental advantage, superior magical power, sustain and counter(?) to full counter. Meliodas has better battle experience, physical strength (etc) and the perfect defence against magic.

I'd give it to Meliodas ultimately, full counter is a big bonus for him and he has more experience in battle. But it would be medium to high difficulty for him, not an essay fight as one would expect.

I meant Sar and Tar with their graces, how do they stack up 1v1?

For Mel vs Elizabeth, Mel 100 percent of the time, he has the advantage in strength, speed, skill and durability. Elizabeth has him in magic, but Full Counter counters that completely, Elizabeth doesnt have the speed or the hax to get around Full Counter.

 

[Demonspeed]

Might as well get a few of these out of the way

Elizabeth vs Sariel or Tarmiel
Elizabeth vs Zeldris
Elizabeth vs normal Derriere and Monspeit
Elizabeth vs Merlin
Elizabeth vs 114k Escanor

Elizabeth is in her goddess form for these fights, Sar and Tar have their graces

Elizabeth loses every fight.

 

[Seven777]

Elizabeth loses every fight.

Cant even beat old Monspeit and Derriere?

 

[Aldan]

1) Elizabeth should win here if we are discounting the blessings, since her ark is much stronger than the angels listed here. The only advantage the angels have over Elizabeth is better physical power and stats, but given that only Ludoshel has shown feats in this area, my answer is still Elizabeth.

2) If Zeldris has the Demon King's magic to use then he wins, otherwise the battle could go either way given they should be extremely equal combatants.

3) Elizabeth hands down. Her memory-less ark in a human form was enough to completely roast Derriere's hand. A full intentional ark from a Goddess Elizabeth would do exceedingly more damage. The difficulty here might be the 1v2 situation and trickstar, but besides that Elizabeth should win.

4) Elizabeth? I have no idea what Merlin has in order to effectively defeat Elizabeth in combat.. @Aldan could probably prove me wrong here though!

5) Elizabeth has superior magical strength and sustain in comparison to Escanor, but the prideful sin has better physical strength and feats in comparison to the Goddess Princess. But given Elizabeth should be informative of sunshine's power and abilities, potentially this knowledge could turn the fight around? I'd give it to Escanor for now, but at a medium-high difficulty given Elizabeth's strengths.

Here's one:

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas with second demon mark.

Don't just say one or the other, give a reason. I think it could go either way considering Elizabeth has the elemental advantage, superior magical power, sustain and counter(?) to full counter. Meliodas has better battle experience, physical strength (etc) and the perfect defence against magic.

I'd give it to Meliodas ultimately, full counter is a big bonus for him and he has more experience in battle. But it would be medium to high difficulty for him, not an essay fight as one would expect.

Hehehe magic seal would be a death sentence for Elizabeth. In a firefight though, Elizabeth would win. Which is why Merlin definitely is relying on her power to seal magic. Simply defend herself with perfect cube and use illusions to dish out a hit

 

[OtakuFreak]

Elizabeth loses every fight.

You disgustingly underestimate Elizabeth.

Not surprising given you thought she was Elaine tier when the latest chapter confirms she's AA tier

 

[Master of the Sun]

King vs the Ten Commandments

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Assuming the commandments dont activate, King should be able to handle most of them. Zeldris might give him trouble

 

[Gallon]

Depends on how good Zeldris is.
He should easily defeat the other 9.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Goddess Elizabeth vs Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan & Merascylla

During negotiations in the flashback arc, she threatened these 5 commandments and was ready to fight them by herself given they were after Meliodas. Since it's just confirmed Elizabeth is AA tier on par with Ludoshel, I'm wondering what people think about this.

Oh, and don't put answers with little information such as ''Elizabeth gets deleted'' or ''Elizabeth deletes them'' - I want to see some actual thought put into this

 

[Bøjan]

Goddess Elizabeth vs Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan & Merascylla

During negotiations in the flashback arc, she threatened these 5 commandments and was ready to fight them by herself given they were after Meliodas. Since it's just confirmed Elizabeth is AA tier on par with Ludoshel, I'm wondering what people think about this.

Oh, and don't put answers with little information such as ''Elizabeth gets deleted'' or ''Elizabeth deletes them'' - I want to see some actual thought put into this

I already knew that she's really powerful even before the latest chapter but her battle skills are quite poor compared to Ludociel or Meliodas from what we've seen. That could decide the outcome of a fight easily even if she's more powerful than these individuals here...

 

[Charon913155]

Goddess Elizabeth vs Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan & Merascylla

During negotiations in the flashback arc, she threatened these 5 commandments and was ready to fight them by herself given they were after Meliodas. Since it's just confirmed Elizabeth is AA tier on par with Ludoshel, I'm wondering what people think about this.

Oh, and don't put answers with little information such as ''Elizabeth gets deleted'' or ''Elizabeth deletes them'' - I want to see some actual thought put into this

On the one hand, Elizabeth's clearly a powerful and skilled goddess, being exceptionally good at mind control, healing and light magic.
She can convince entire armies to retreat just by talking to them for a short time.
She can heal large numbers of people in a matter of seconds. Making defeating her very difficult since she can just regenerate over and over.
And she has abilities like 'ordeals of jonah' and 'let there be light' which effectively neutralize darkness, making attacking her with darkness useless.

But on the other hand she's a pacifist and doesn't want to kill anyone. Her fighting options are therefore limited to non lethal attacks, giving her a big disadvantage in a fight.
She also doesn't appear to be very durable, so just one very powerful punch should be enough to knock her out, leaving her open for more attacks and basically assuring her defeat.

Considering that, the demons have the advantage here since Melascula could just keep spawning fodder demons for Derrieri to increase her physical powers with combo star. After that Monspeet could use trick star to get Derrieri close to Elizabeth, while Galant and Fraudrin keep her preoccupied.

In conclusion, if Elizabeth can manage to talk the demons out of fighting or if she can keep this to a long range battle, she got this. But if the demons manage to make this fight close ranged, she's done for.

 

[lindananahayashida]

Goddess Elizabeth vs Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan & Merascylla

During negotiations in the flashback arc, she threatened these 5 commandments and was ready to fight them by herself given they were after Meliodas. Since it's just confirmed Elizabeth is AA tier on par with Ludoshel, I'm wondering what people think about this.

Oh, and don't put answers with little information such as ''Elizabeth gets deleted'' or ''Elizabeth deletes them'' - I want to see some actual thought put into this

Mera =>

Long run = Dangerous [**]
1st target= Low diffed



Fraudrin => (Lowest threat)

Long run = Mid-low diffed
1st target= Low diffed



Galand =>

Long run = Dangerous [*]
1st target= Low diffed




Derieri =>

Long run = Dangerous [***]
1st target= Dangerous [*]




Monspeet =>

Long run = Dangerous [***]
1st target= Dangerous [***]


Result,

( - ) Indura =>
Liz 20% C's 80%

( +) Indura =>
Liz 0% C's 100%

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Melascula alone could probably beat Elizabeth just because cocoon of darkness is hax. I don’t think Elizabeth has any ohko moves that will work and her purifying technique kinda requires Gowther to shut off Mela’s nerves so that she can’t resist/ dodge. Point being if she can manage to get Zeldris inside of it she can get Elizabeth and cocoon of darkness is much faster than anything Elizabeth has and Mela spams it

If cocoon of darkness isn’t an option then the fight could go either way and would probably be favored towards Elizabeth.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I still need more feats from Eli to gauge her strenght appropriately. The statement made in this last chapter puts her comparable to Ludoshel and 2nd Mark Mel in terms of pure power, but if I don't know the full extent of her abilites it's still hard to say who wins against who.

Might as well get a few of these out of the way

Elizabeth vs Sariel or Tarmiel
Elizabeth vs Zeldris
Elizabeth vs normal Derriere and Monspeit
Elizabeth vs Merlin
Elizabeth vs 114k Escanor

Elizabeth is in her goddess form for these fights, Sar and Tar have their graces

- Elizabeth probably wins against them individually with high to extreme difficulty, assuming she's on the same level as Ludo. She doesn't have a Grace and that increases the difficulty for the battle.
- Hard to say, Zel with hype should also be in the same league as 2nd Mark Mel. Right now, I'd say Zeldris takes it with probably high difficulty. Eli probably has the elemental advantage but the DK's power is a pain in the ass for those who are heavily dependent on magic like Eli. Plus, Zel has shown to be better than her in almost all the other stats.
- If Elizabeth connects one attack, she's pretty much going to oneshot them, but Trickstar has shown to be a difficult ability to deal with and Combo Star could potentially end her. Overall I give it to Eli with mid to high difficulty.
- Eli should win based on what we know right now, although Merlin could arguably seal her magic if she catches her. Right now, I'm going to say Eli takes it until Merlin shows the full extent of her abilities.
- 114K Escanor wins with probably mid to high difficulty. He pretty much outclasses her in all the areas except magic (of course Eli dominates him in that category). Escanor is extremely durable and I have trouble seeing Eli taking him down with what she has shown until now.

Here's one:

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas with second demon mark.

Don't just say one or the other, give a reason. I think it could go either way considering Elizabeth has the elemental advantage, superior magical power, sustain and counter(?) to full counter. Meliodas has better battle experience, physical strength (etc) and the perfect defence against magic.

I'd give it to Meliodas ultimately, full counter is a big bonus for him and he has more experience in battle. But it would be medium to high difficulty for him, not an essay fight as one would expect.

2nd Mark Mel all the day, although it would be probably a mid to high difficulty fight for him. He has shown to be better than Eli in almost all of the areas except magic. Plus, he has Full Counter and Counter Vanish which counters magic hard and he also has shown to be far more experiencied and battle skilled than Eli at the moment (waiting for a proper backstory for her to take my final conclusions). For me, there's no doubt that Mel wins this, even if Eli is comparable to him in terms of overall power.

King vs the Ten Commandments

If none of the curses activates, King pretty much oneshots all of them except probably Zel. Right now I see King being considerably stronger than him until he shows more. King wins. If he triggers one of the curses (like Pacifism or Piety, etc.) there's a high chance that the commandments take this.

Also, the result could change drastically if they go Indura. IMO, a hypothetical Zel in Indura is stronger than King with fully grown wings.

Goddess Elizabeth vs Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan & Merascylla

During negotiations in the flashback arc, she threatened these 5 commandments and was ready to fight them by herself given they were after Meliodas. Since it's just confirmed Elizabeth is AA tier on par with Ludoshel, I'm wondering what people think about this.

Oh, and don't put answers with little information such as ''Elizabeth gets deleted'' or ''Elizabeth deletes them'' - I want to see some actual thought put into this

Eli pretty much should have the power to oneshot all of them if her attacks land given that she has been portrayed as comparable to 2nd Mark Mel and Ludoshel (who trashed almost instantaneously Galan, Fraudrin , Derieri and Monspeet by himself), and also Ark is super efective on demons. However landing the attacks is going to be the hard part. The commandments, even though individually are below her, have a set of abilities that could perfectly turn the battle into their favour like Trickstar, Dark Cocoon, Soul Manipulation, Combo Star. Some of this abilites could potentially end Eli, so if the commandments play it smart they can win this with probably high difficulty. If they charge at her directly without a plan and underestimating her, I see Eli winning.

 

[Seven777]

Goddess Elizabeth vs Monspeet, Derriere, Fraudrin, Galan & Merascylla

During negotiations in the flashback arc, she threatened these 5 commandments and was ready to fight them by herself given they were after Meliodas. Since it's just confirmed Elizabeth is AA tier on par with Ludoshel, I'm wondering what people think about this.

Oh, and don't put answers with little information such as ''Elizabeth gets deleted'' or ''Elizabeth deletes them'' - I want to see some actual thought put into this

The Commandments should win without much trouble, Tarmiel had 3 heads so he was well suited to fighting multiple opponents, and Elizabeth is outnumbered even worse than he was. I doubt she'd be able to react to Galand's speed or Trickstar, especially if they come from outside her line of sight. Elizabeth also doesnt have Ocean to repair herself from being sliced in half or having her face caved in like Tarmiel did, or Tornado to prevent herself from receiving those attacks in the first place.

El should have the offense to erase any of them, but she doesnt have the reflexes, speed or durability to deal with even two of these demons imo. Even Ludo in the end disabled most of the demons one on one and by surprise. He dealt with Fraudrin off-panel and beat Galand with a surprise attack, after that it was just him vs Derriere and Monspeit and Flash let him easily outpace them. The only way i can potentially see Elizabeth win this is if she can create an ark barrier like Tarmiel did, except stronger and sit inside there spamming magic, but i dont know if she knows how to make those barriers or if you can shoot out magic while inside them. Alternatively Elizabeth could release her 8 wings to push back her opponents and then try to oneshot someone while they recoil, but i dont see this working more than once.

 

[Mythoclast]

The only one i can see her beating is Fraudrin.

 

[AvatarReiko]

AM Mel vs Mael (without sunshine)
AM Mel vs Mael (With sunshine)

 

[Bøjan]

AM Mel vs Mael (without sunshine)
AM Mel vs Mael (With sunshine)

One sided slaughter
Again the same, unless it's really really close to noon, or noon.