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[Shadowlord123]

Demon King vs Current King & 4C Mael
Sariel & Tarmiel vs Ten Commandments (excl Mel)

DK wins, even though after seeing the current events I'm skeptical at the difficulty. Most likely low. That's if they can even figure out how The Ruler works. If they can't, this could very well be a stomp.

Zel should be able to beat one of these two with probably high difficulty individually going by hype. The other one gets beaten by the other nine commandments. Overall, I'd give it to the commandments with mid to high difficulty at best.

 

[HereNThere]

Demon King vs Current King & 4C Mael

We need to see where Ban and Mel were at level wise, but if you give these two the 60 years of experience, they should do as well as Ban and Mel did. They have the means to do so. They'd still fail, but they would perform well enough to bring him to a knee temporarily.

Sariel & Tarmiel vs Ten Commandments (excl Mel)

They both stomp everyone easily with their Graces with the exception of Zeldris. He's still an unknown factor, but I don't know how he'd fair against the two of them at the same time.

 

[OtakuFreak]

They both stomp everyone easily with their Graces with the exception of Zeldris. He's still an unknown factor, but I don't know how he'd fair against the two of them at the same time.

I wonder because Zeldris can escape the dimension of the blessings, that the others are able to as well?

If it's the latter, then it could make it somewhat difficult for Sariel & Tarmiel?

 

[Noelle Silva]

Demon King vs Current King & 4C Mael
Sariel & Tarmiel vs Ten Commandments (excl Mel)

DK pl is +500k vs king pl is +270k and 4c Mael pl is +200k
500k > 470k = Demon king win!

10 Cs including induras and zel wins!
If not sariel and tarmiel wins!

 

[OtakuFreak]

Zel should be able to beat one of these two with probably high difficulty individually going by hype. The other one gets beaten by the other nine commandments. Overall, I'd give it to the commandments with mid to high difficulty at best.

Sariel or Tarmiel could individually wipe the commandments though.

One of them could take on Zeldris individually, whilst the other (probs Tarmiel) would take the other commandments into the dimension and either:

A) Drown them.

B) Slowly eliminate them.

C) Leave them and go take down Zeldris with Sariel.

ez win

 

[Narxhen]

Where was it ever written that King Pl is 270+ ???

Also you can put 10 fighters with 200 000 Pl in front of the demon king it won't be 2 000 000 Pl VS demon king. It doesn't stack in any way, it's just 10 x 1 vs 1 in the end.
Demon king kills each one of them with ease and is not even amused by that.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Sariel or Tarmiel could individually wipe the commandments though.

One of them could take on Zeldris individually, whilst the other (probs Tarmiel) would take the other commandments into the dimension and either:

A) Drown them.

B) Slowly eliminate them.

C) Leave them and go take down Zeldris with Sariel.

ez win

I have my doubts seeing a single low tier AA like Sar or Tar beating nine commandments at once, judging by how they performed in the flashback and the statement of their power being as strong as two commandments. Sure, they were toying around but still, I don't see how a single one of them could beat nine at the same time. The commandments are far from being fodder and they have a set of abilities that could potentially give them the win (like Soul Steal for example). Not to mention that some of them can go Indura. Even if nine commandments are still not enough to beat one AA like Sar and Tar (which I heavily doubt) they should be able to last until Zel beats the other one and then bully all together the last one.

If this was nine commandments vs Sar and Tar I would give them the win if you discount Indura. I really don't see how the commandments can lose this matchup if you add Zel and the possibility of them to go Indura.

 

[lindananahayashida]

Demon King vs Current King & 4C Mael
Sariel & Tarmiel vs Ten Commandments (excl Mel)

King & 4C Mael = High Diff
(W/current Info)

Ten commandments
Factors:
1. Indura
2. God
3. Trickster
4. Zel 2nd mark (hype)

 

[HereNThere]

I wonder because Zeldris can escape the dimension of the blessings, that the others are able to as well?

If it's the latter, then it could make it somewhat difficult for Sariel & Tarmiel?

I'm assuming one's individual power is what dictates whether or not someone can break from the Grace. Estarossa didn't exactly explode out of space. He just popped up.

 

[AvatarReiko]

DM Meliodas(Post-Purgatory) vs Base Esatrossa

 

[Bøjan]

DM Meliodas(Post-Purgatory) vs Base Esatrossa

Meliodas is already as strong as Estarossa in his base (Post-Purgatory), with DM it's a stomp.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Yeah, DM Mel stomps Estarossa. Without it, it'd be a good battle. Estarossa would probably win with high difficulty due to demon regeneration (which Mel doesn't have access to in base) and Physical Full Counter (both are mainly physical fighters, so his FC is going to be way more useful in this fight than Mel's).

 

[Master of the Sun]

4C Mael vs Baruja
King vs Baruja
Hawk Mama vs King
Ludociel vs Sariel & Tarmiel
Zeldris vs Sariel & Tarmiel
Dreyfus (part 1) vs King (part 1)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Meliodas (part 1, base form with Liz sword)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Merlin (part 1)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Griamor & Howzer
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Diane (part 1, without Gideon)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Merlin (part 1)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Gowther (part 1)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Griamor & Howzer
Gowther (part 1) vs Vivian
Gilthunder vs Vivian

 

[Estarossa173]

4C Mael vs Baruja
King vs Baruja
Hawk Mama vs King
Ludociel vs Sariel & Tarmiel
Zeldris vs Sariel & Tarmiel
Dreyfus (part 1) vs King (part 1)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Meliodas (part 1, base form with Liz sword)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Merlin (part 1)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Griamor & Howzer
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Diane (part 1, without Gideon)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Merlin (part 1)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Gowther (part 1)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Griamor & Howzer
Gowther (part 1) vs Vivian
Gilthunder vs Vivian

Haven’t seen baruja so I can’t say anything about the top two.
If hawk mama really is the MoC, I’m leaning towards her.
Need to see more of Ludociel to make a judgement on this
Tough fight, but I’d give it to Zeldris.
I think King has an edge against part 1 Dreyfus
I think Meliodas edges Dreyfus out
Merlin
Dreyfus
Hendrickson
Tough to say, either can win
Hendrickson
Again hard to say, but I’m leaning more towards gowther
Gil vs Vivian can go either way

 

[Napstablook]

Goddess Elizabeth vs Meliodas with second demon mark.

In character? Meliodas.

Bloodlusted? Elizabeth. She has shown to be able to wound a 3C Estarossa when Sar and Tar couldn't, which is presumably above 2nd demon mark Mel.

Elizabeth will never, ever, ever be bloodlusted though.

He's not. Escanor will remain the strongest Sin.

Pre-noon, there's a bit of wiggle room.

Pre-noon, there is absolutely no wiggle room. King > AM Mel > 1159 Escanor.

King puts up a vastly better fight against The One than AM Mel ever will, but loses nonetheless. The One takes this, high difficulty.

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Zeldris vs Sariel & Tarmiel

Sariel and Tarmiel, high difficulty.
Zeldris is between 2C and 3C Estarossa (much closer to 3C Esta though) without immunity to light-based attacks.
Sar and Tar is at 2C Estarossa level.
Sar/Tar takes this.

Ludociel vs Sariel & Tarmiel

Zeldris, high difficulty.
I would assume Ludo is only marginally more powerful than Sar/Tar unless otherwise proven.

 

[Shadowlord123]

4C Mael vs Baruja
King vs Baruja
Hawk Mama vs King
Ludociel vs Sariel & Tarmiel
Zeldris vs Sariel & Tarmiel
Dreyfus (part 1) vs King (part 1)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Meliodas (part 1, base form with Liz sword)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Merlin (part 1)
Dreyfus (part 1) vs Griamor & Howzer
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Diane (part 1, without Gideon)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Merlin (part 1)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Gowther (part 1)
Hendrickson (part 1, red demon form) vs Griamor & Howzer
Gowther (part 1) vs Vivian
Gilthunder vs Vivian

I'm gonna assume you're talking about Baruja in Indura and King with his Fully Grown Wings.

- 4C Mael should win. I haven't seen Indura Baruja in action but I doubt he can beat a 200K+ opponent. Mael takes this easy.
- King takes this even more easily.
- King stomps hard. It doesn't even matter if Mama Hawk is the Mother of Chaos or not. The fact that she got damaged by a 53 Combo Star doesn't speak well for her at all. Besides, she has no ways to put King down.
- Until Zeldris and Ludoshel showcase their feats, we have no way of knowing who would win. We know that they're stronger than Sar and Tar but we don't know by how much. Until feats come, I'd say inconclusive.
- King should be able to win. High difficulty sounds reasonable.
- Meliodas edges it with high or extreme difficulty. FC is gonna make Break useless most of the time and physically this Mel is over Dreyfus. It will be a hard fight, tho.
- Merlin wins.
- Dreyfus wins with high difficulty at best. He's considerably above them.
- Red Hendrickson wins with probably high difficulty.
- Merlin wins again.
- Either can win for me. If Gowther catches him he wins and if Hendi is cautious and doesn't get caught he probably wins.
- Red Hendrickson with mid to high difficulty.
- Gowther more times than not.
- Dunno, can go either way tbh. In character, Vivian obviously loses since she can't even dream of hurting his Gil

 

[OtakuFreak]

In character? Meliodas.

Even then, would Meliodas even lay harm to Elizabeth?

It seems like Elizabeth is more willing to hurt Meliodas than vice-versa if the situation arises.

Bloodlusted? Elizabeth. She has shown to be able to wound a 3C Estarossa when Sar and Tar couldn't, which is presumably above 2nd demon mark Mel.

Even then, full counter is a pretty strong tool against Elizabeth who's heavily specialised in her magic. So unless she is capable of adapting to the flaws of full counter or is able to delay the battle until Meliodas can no longer use his second demon mark and drops to his base of 60,000 - Meliodas has the upper hand in my opinion.

Assuming Elizabeth is bloodthirsty, ready to kill without hesitation and uses offensive ark on the level of ''Let There Be Light'' - then yes, I do think she's capable of defeating Meliodas in battle, but in a normal circumstance, the odds are stacked against her.

Elizabeth will never, ever, ever be bloodlusted though.

Realistically, never would Meliodas become bloodthirsty against Elizabeth - in fact, he might even hesitate to hurt her given how he's extremely protective of her.

But if this was a hypothetical situation of Elizabeth vs Meliodas trying to kill each other 100% with no hesitation: it's a pretty equal battle with Meliodas having the advantage given he has a strong counter to magic.

If I was a betting man: Meliodas would win

But since I'm biased and stubborn: Elizabeth would win (jk)

 

[Napstablook]

Even then, would Meliodas even lay harm to Elizabeth?

It seems like Elizabeth is more willing to hurt Meliodas than vice-versa if the situation arises.



Even then, full counter is a pretty strong tool against Elizabeth who's heavily specialised in her magic. So unless she is capable of adapting to the flaws of full counter or is able to delay the battle until Meliodas can no longer use his second demon mark and drops to his base of 60,000 - Meliodas has the upper hand in my opinion.

Assuming Elizabeth is bloodthirsty, ready to kill without hesitation and uses offensive ark on the level of ''Let There Be Light'' - then yes, I do think she's capable of defeating Meliodas in battle, but in a normal circumstance, the odds are stacked against her.



Realistically, never would Meliodas become bloodthirsty against Elizabeth - in fact, he might even hesitate to hurt her given how he's extremely protective of her.

But if this was a hypothetical situation of Elizabeth vs Meliodas trying to kill each other 100% with no hesitation: it's a pretty equal battle with Meliodas having the advantage given he has a strong counter to magic.

If I was a betting man: Meliodas would win

But since I'm biased and stubborn: Elizabeth would win (jk)

King would solo both of them while laughing all the while.

 

[OtakuFreak]

King would solo both of them while laughing all the while.

So sad it's true.

But then again Elizabeth and Meliodas could do a waifu and husbando love moment and power up to 300,000 and one-shot him.

 

[AvatarReiko]

If you were to assign current Elizabeth a power level, what value(s) would you give her? Reasonably.

Human Form Diane(Current) vs Demon Hendrickson & 2 Albions
Base Meliodas(HK arc) vs Howser, Gil, Dreyfus, Hendrickson, Guilia, Graimore (Current)