Discussion NNT versus thread

[AvatarReiko]

Lol @ Eli soloing any of the commandments. She has been utterly pathetic and virtually useless thus in the stot

 

[Estarossa173]

Lol @ Eli soloing any of the commandments. She has been utterly pathetic and virtually useless thus in the stot

Eh. With how utterly weak and underwhelming the commandments have been, I think Elizabeth does have a chance of beating them all.

 

[Kinguxsloth]

Eh. With how utterly weak and underwhelming the commandments have been, I think Elizabeth does have a chance of beating them all.

But derieri knock her out so...

 

[Estarossa173]

But derieri knock her out so...

Elizabeth was off guard.

Wow. I can’t believe I’m actually agreeing with otaku when it comes to Elizabeth’s power.

 

[BurlapJack]

Elizabeth was off guard.

Wow. I can’t believe I’m actually agreeing with otaku when it comes to Elizabeth’s power.

Ah yes the "lol off-guard" excuse, elizabeth in human form doesn't stand a chance

 

[OtakuFreak]

Ah yes the "lol off-guard" excuse, elizabeth in human form doesn't stand a chance

It's not an excuse, it's an actual defence as to how Elizabeth was easily knocked out.

Escanor wasn't able to knock down Meliodas despite him being physically stronger than Elizabeth.

Yet, Elizabeth was able to knock Meliodas to the floor with a single human slap with casual ark attached to it.

How? Because he was off-guard. That's the difference between being on-guard and off-guard.

Elizabeth on-guard would've never been knocked down to the floor from that single punch - in fact, it would've done nothing.

Wow. I can’t believe I’m actually agreeing with otaku when it comes to Elizabeth’s power.

Why does this fandom have hesitation when agreeing with me? It's not like Nakaba hasn't hyped Elizabeth's power or confirmed facts in order to establish where she lies in the power hierarchy.

She's equal to Ludoshel and looked how effortless it was for him to take down 4 commandments with his ark, and Elizabeth's is superior.

 

[sobreno]

It's not an excuse, it's an actual defence as to how Elizabeth was easily knocked out.

Escanor wasn't able to knock down Meliodas despite him being physically stronger than Elizabeth.

Yet, Elizabeth was able to knock Meliodas to the floor with a single human slap with casual ark attached to it.

How? Because he was off-guard. That's the difference between being on-guard and off-guard.

Elizabeth on-guard would've never been knocked down to the floor from that single punch - in fact, it would've done nothing.



Why does this fandom have hesitation when agreeing with me? It's not like Nakaba hasn't hyped Elizabeth's power or confirmed facts in order to establish where she lies in the power hierarchy.

She's equal to Ludoshel and looked how effortless it was for him to take down 4 commandments with his ark, and Elizabeth's is superior.

Lmao, nope.

She was easily knocked off by Derrierie punch, same punch that did nothing to Tarmiel.

Stop it, her physical capabilities is shit as hell, same for her durability.

Meliodas let her do it and it was an Ark enhanced slap, not just physical slap without any magic behind lol.

She isn't equal to Ludo, her feats pale in comparison.
She is ridiculously weaker than him physically + she lack a grace to properly equalize him.

He has his Goddess power on a top of a grave + far stronger physical capabilities.

You are wanking her if you think that she is close to him with parameters like that.

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Elizabeth was off guard.

Wow. I can’t believe I’m actually agreeing with otaku when it comes to Elizabeth’s power.

And Tarmiel was off guard as well, and he didn't pass out.

Your durability doesn't magically drop when you are off guard, at best, she would be injured, not knocked off easily lol.

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Eh. With how utterly weak and underwhelming the commandments have been, I think Elizabeth does have a chance of beating them all.

Ignoring that she was even more underwhelming than them during the entire manga? Okay.

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Lol @ Eli soloing any of the commandments. She has been utterly pathetic and virtually useless thus in the stot

They all speak like she shined in the entire manga lmao.

She never ever defeated any of them in a solo fight and she is always protected like the princess she is.

 

[Demonspeed]

Careful with the Elizabeth discussions.

Rematch-King vs Chandler

I definitely think they are at the same level. King's PL is probably very similar since he specializes in Magic like Chandler specializes in strength, but I think King wins.

 

[Estarossa173]

Honestly, back in the flashback when she was facing the commandments, the only ones that would even be remotely a threat to Elizabeth is monspeet and possibly derieri.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Honestly, back in the flashback when she was facing the commandments, the only ones that would even be remotely a threat to Elizabeth is monspeet and possibly derieri.

Trick star and combo star would be difficult for Elizabeth to handle in a 1v2.

But I still believe she would win given she was able to stalemate their Indura forms in a 1v2 tug of war.

Elizabeth just needs to land one ark on them and she could one-shot them potentially.

Though if they go Indura, Elizabeth would lose. But then they would die, so a draw?

 

[Seven777]

King vs Chandler and Cusack
King vs Zeldris
King vs Ludociel
King vs Prime Meliodas

 

[OtakuFreak]

King vs Chandler and Cusack
King vs Zeldris
King vs Ludociel
King vs Prime Meliodas

1) The masters - individually they could be a big threat to King but in a 1v2? Good luck.

2) King until I see Zeldris magic.

3) Ludoshel

4) Prime Meliodas (I'm guessing you mean full powered assault mode?)

 

[Demonspeed]

King vs Chandler and Cusack
King vs Zeldris
King vs Ludociel
King vs Prime Meliodas

King loses all the matches IMO. But he has better feats than all of them besides Meliodas and Ludociel.

 

[Kinguxsloth]

King vs Chandler and Cusack
King vs Zeldris
King vs Ludociel
King vs Prime Meliodas

If king is indeed 200+k he wins

 

[sobreno]

Trick star and combo star would be difficult for Elizabeth to handle in a 1v2.

But I still believe she would win given she was able to stalemate their Indura forms in a 1v2 tug of war.

Elizabeth just needs to land one ark on them and she could one-shot them potentially.

Though if they go Indura, Elizabeth would lose. But then they would die, so a draw?

Dude, she got one shooted by a single punch, she can't do shit to Derrierie, she is far faster than her.

She has no chance at landing any Ark at all, dodging exist in case that you didn't know.
And in battle speed + reflex, Derrierie beat her easily.

Same for the speed blitzer of the 10C, as long as she is slower, her Ark isn't a problem in a fight with her.

 

[Seven777]

Interesting, wouldve thought people'd back King more given how crazy everyone went at how powerful he was back in the day

1) The masters - individually they could be a big threat to King but in a 1v2? Good luck.

2) King until I see Zeldris magic.

3) Ludoshel

4) Prime Meliodas (I'm guessing you mean full powered assault mode?)

Sure, or whatever you think Mel's strongest version is outside of commandments and og magic.

 

[HereNThere]

King vs Chandler and Cusack
King vs Zeldris
King vs Ludociel
King vs Prime Meliodas

I'm thinking King is 200k+ and would be comparable to Mel, Mael, Eli, and Ludociel in the past so...

If he's as strong as I think he is, King should win against both the Masters. Multiple Spirit Spears should allow him to keep up with them just fine.

Not enough information about Zel to determine, but it could go either way.

Against Ludociel, it could go either way.

Against Prime Mel, probably Mel.

 

[AvatarReiko]

Current Zeldris vs Demon Mark V1 Meliodas (Post-Revival)
Current Zeldris vs Assasult Mode Mel (Escanor fight)

 

[Ger]

Current Zeldris vs Demon Mark V1 Meliodas (Post-Revival)
Current Zeldris vs Assasult Mode Mel (Escanor fight)

Current zel for both version of meliodas. But meliodas post escanor fight he stomps as it was shown in chapter 246

 

[Estarossa173]

Current Zeldris vs Demon Mark V1 Meliodas (Post-Revival)
Current Zeldris vs Assasult Mode Mel (Escanor fight)

Zeldris
Before escanor fight, Id say zeldris could take it. After the escanor fight however, meliodas stomps.