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Ludoshel - hard difficulty.
Zeldris, immunity to magic.
''The One''
Discussion NNT versus thread
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T O > 4C Mael
Maybe = Der & Mons
(Indura der = High Phy)
Mael = Low-balled = 57k (Base)
=> Even / Ludo
Tho IMO
Mael > Ludo
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$c
King - hard diff
King stalemates against Zeldris
Camelot castle: Escanor
Sky theatre: King, simply because Escanor cannot fly. Esanor needs to snipe a fast flying target within 60 seconds while dealing with Chastiefol. Bad matchup for Escanor.
I'd argue
King - hard diff
King stalemates against Zeldris
Camelot castle: Escanor
Sky theatre: King, simply because Escanor cannot fly. Esanor needs to snipe a fast flying target within 60 seconds while dealing with Chastiefol. Bad matchup for Escanor.
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Escanor can fly on top of Cruel Sun right?
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He can?
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In the Estarossa fight, he followed Estarossa on his Cruel Sun after he smashed him over to the lake, at least thats what it looked like in the anime
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I assumed he just jumped to follow his Cruel Sun.
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Could be, looked like he was actually standing on the Cruel Sun as it was moving though, at least to me, unless he just jumped and landed on top of it after throwing it.
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A flying escanor would be dope, gotta admit.
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I always thought = This happened
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Early mor / Mid mor = Solo (both)
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- Hard to say. I'd say 4C Mael has the edge when it comes to raw power but Ludoshel has the speed and the brain here (Mael is pretty much a mindless beast in that state). I'm gonna say Ludo with high to extreme difficulty.
- Mael easy. Ludoshel himself stated that he couldn't hope to compete with his brother when noon was near.
Honestly, I need to see more of Mel's OG Magic before reaching a conclusive statement. For now, I'm going to say that he can face against the Gods at 50% of their power as the DK himself stated that and is supported by the fact that he could destroy one of his arms. Plus, he can't stay in the Mortal Realm, having the same restrictions as them. That being said:
- He probably wins against 5C Mel.
- For now, I'm gonna give the DK the benefit of the doubt and say he wins with probably high to extreme difficulty.
- Still the DK.
- Not sure about this one. Probably Mel.
- Definitely Mel.
Not taking into account his OG Magic since that would be an easy win for Mel. Without it, I'd say that Escanor is still above him but not by much. Awakened AM Mel is far stronger than the one who fought against The One and he should also be stronger than Zel even with his 2nd Mark+ON. I'd say The One with mid to high difficulty.
Late Morning to Noon it's a win for Mael in my opinion. For the rest of the day, Zeldris probably has the advantage.
- Mmm, hard to say. I see the Induras being slightly above 200K and I have my doubts whether they could bypass ON or not. Most of Monspeet's attacks are magic-based so even if they can bypass ON he can't do nothing to Zel since he has the DK's magic. That leaves Derieri as the only one who can truly damage him. I'd say Zel takes it more often than not.
- The One stomps 4C Mael. He's even above King in his Fully Grown Wings in my opinion.
- Mael quite easily.
- King hands down. He should have considerably more raw power and if you add his versatility on top of that, he should win in my opinion. Mid difficulty sounds about right.
I still see The One being more impressive and above King in power. King might be able to win if The One is restricted to his natural one minute via outlasting him, but if The One's time is indefinite he definitely wins. Mid to high difficulty sounds good.
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King defeated weakened mael. Do I have to debunk all of you right now?? Kings own arsenal focuses on magical attacks the fact that Kings attack is useless before his borrowed magic and nothing has resisted his borrowed magic thus far which escanor usin physical attacks struggled to put down ON let alone borrowed magic if he uses cruel sun.
Nullification>>>>>>>> ON.
Nullification>>>>>>>> ON.
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Curious to see people's opinion regarding Ban's level after purgatory:
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Sariel or Tarmiel (choose who you want)
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Chandler (True Form)
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs 4C Mael
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Zeldris
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs King (Fully Grown Wings)
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Escanor (The One)
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Sariel or Tarmiel (choose who you want)
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Chandler (True Form)
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs 4C Mael
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Zeldris
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs King (Fully Grown Wings)
- Ban (Post Purgatory) vs Escanor (The One)
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King defeated Mael, we don't know if he was weakened or not before he and King had their fight. We just know he was weakened after King stomped a hole in them. Him being weakened before that is just assumption people ran with because they don't want to think King beat a 200k+ character.
King's arsenal has a majority of magical attacks, but his Chastiefol itself, Guardian, and Yggdra Cloth are physical in nature. That being said, Guardian would be King only way to break through Zeldris' DK, so if it fails, he'd likely be at an impasse as his can't break through anything. Zeldris would also be unable to do anything as, if we are to take the limits of ON to it's logical conclusion, Ominous Nebula would be unable to pull Chastiefol to him since it's not a living person, so King can just cover himself in Yggdra Cloth and keep himself away, have Guardian hold him, or just keep inside Pollen Garden and be no worse for wear. This is a fight that neither can really do anything.
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Until we get a decent measurement of the creatures in Purgatory and the weakened Demon King, I'm not sure if I can have an opinion just yet. Sariel and Tarmiel would probably be the safest bets though, seeing as everyone else is hanging out with 200k+ fighters and doing well.
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Thank goodness there is someone here who actually got what really happened in chapter 281. It was confirmed that Mael became weak after the three attacks of awakened King, but we do not have any kind of confirmation or proof before King's awakening. Yeah Mael was insane all the time, but his attacks were equally powerful before and after. It's just that now New True Pollen Garden >> Light Jewel of Love ; New True Increase >> Scythe of Silence & New True Chastiefol >> Arrow of Salvation.
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So do you wanna really challenge me to this?? ok the fact that this panel based on official translation LITERALLY said the idea of mael's limit in that form because of commandments clearly debunks your point of wanking king and nitpicking every info that you came across without analyzing them.
No... you MIGHT THINK king's guardians and chastiefol is consist of physical objects but the fact that KINGS magic RELIES on the idea of forms of true spirit spear chastiefol. His first form and until his final focuses on the idea of his magic, so idk where you got it's phsical attacks when all of them are imbedded with his magic as the fairy king. NOTHING ever suggests that those are physical attacks. in chapter 238 chandler uses full counter against the first form of his triue spirit and yet it was countered and that 1st form has the same mechanic as the guardian which is a physical object. You're forgetting the fact king surrounds every weapon that he has with magic which debunks your argument of that.As you're aware fairy kings including gloxinnia DOES not have physical strength as their arsenal or their PL. they use magical attacks and enhncement to be capable of doing anything because of their magics increasing their physical strength, but raw physical strength they have 0.
So assuming first form and second form being physical attacks is plain faulty when all of kings attack is imebdded with magic and if it was physical attack then THAT JUST MEANS his magic had the capability of making second form strong on its attacks WHICH IS STILL MAGICAL ATTACK.
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Attacks dont have to be pure physical or pure magical, they can be both and King's Guardian likely is.
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