Non-Irregulars in the eyes or irregulars

[hblock]

In the eyes of :
-Gustang : bugs/vermine
-Traumerei : trifles
-Urek : babies

What about the rest ?

 

[Shadowlord123]

Considering Urek's answer to Gustang at the FoD ("this is why I don't hang out with you guys") after Gus gave him all the bug talk, it would seem like all the FHs and Zahard are more or less like him in the sense that they don't view the non-Irregulars as proper humans. Considering what we've seen with Traumerei currently, the statement has a good track record.

With that said, Eduan definitely views half of the Tower as sex toys. Depending on what we learn about him in the future, it could perhaps even be the entire Tower.

 

[roronoa20]

Eduan: Tenga...

 

[King Dryst]

In the eyes of :
-Gustang : bugs/vermine
-Traumerei : trifles
-Urek : babies

What about the rest ?

I don't think Urek means the baby thing in a derogatory way. He's pretty humane towards the Towerborn on the whole, and he also calls Baam the same thing even after knowing what he is.

 

[DanielGacitua]

I'm not so sure if Urek really sees everyone as babies (helpless creatures that he must protect?) or if it's just his way of speaking
I mean, he seemed pretty respectful to Joe, and he kept calling Baam that after knowing he's an irregular (although he's like a baby irregular, curious)

We know that Blossom opposes the princess program, even before the Enne incident
Why? The princesses give her family influence and it is an (apparently) voluntary process, but it set strict rules for their daughters.
She seems to have some maternal love at least for her daughters or for Enne, so she must see her daughters perhaps not as beings equal to her but as beings that she must take care of, no idea how she would see the rest
Blossom: (with her daugthers) Daugthers

Ari Han apparently cares about peace, although that doesn't necessarily imply that he cares about the inhabitants of the Tower, perhaps he doesn't want another Genesis for fear of being killed, or he sees the natives as inferior and violents beings that he must civilize ( colonialism?)

We also know that Edhuan doesn't really care about his own children and only seems to use women (and who knows if only them...) as sexual toys.
Edhuan: Toys

And Ari Hon saw his own children as "part of his sword" who could never overcome him (which is true) and had no problem suggesting Hoaqin become an assassin just to get stronger.
Given his open challenge in his Floor he seems to see everyone as weak beings and wants a rival/fight
Hon: (member of his family)
Part of his sword/power
(Everyone else)
Weaklings?


I have no idea about the rest xD

 

[Demonspeed]

Urek just uses babies for everyone and he does see them as people. Regardless of the names they chose I think their opinion in general is the same but they must have a few favorites among non-Irregulars here and there.

 

[Arjuna]

Urek is the only person among the Irregulars who views non irregulars as human beings.Baam will be like this i believe.


Regarding the Family Heads yeah they view every towerborn residents as bugs or something like that.Though there is some exception no doubt.Both Blossom and Gustang cared for Anne,Yurin seems to care for Yuri, possibly Arie Hon cares for Hagi.

 

[SuperTurtle]

They see them like NPCs.

You know what is sad ? They actualy are NPCs.

 

[kkck]

Yeah, urek does not think of tower residents as babies. We see his feelings towards tower residents when he talks about hell joe with gustang. He specifically made the point that joe was not small and was infuriated at being told he was. It's a pretty stark difference from how gustang and traumerei think of tower residents.

It's extremely likely the rest of the family heads align pretty well with gustang or traumerei, at least based on data eduan's words. Though their attitudes and cruelty probably will vary substantially. I think the NPC comparison makes sense. But like in a video game, some people just don't like being unintentionally cruel to NPCs. But will be if there's any profit to be made out of it without giving it much thought.

 

[Grace12025]

They see them like NPCs.

You know what is sad ? They actualy are NPCs.

Closest thing i can think of. Just like the data humans in the hidden floor

 

[Pbgustang]

So gustang called them bugs. Sometimes just bugs, some are pretty bugs..anyway they are bugs

And traumerei called them triffles

So gustang and traumerei has been marrying (?) And fvcking bugs and triffles to have children they dont love.

.....
And maybe thats why enne is so special to gustang and blossom. Tho non irregular, she is a purebreed. A true offspring to them. Not half irregular half bug

Anyway i think those term are hyperbolic. They can respect the strong and the influential. I doubt gustang regards his reading party is consisted by intelligent bugs

 

[Glowstuff]

Also, Data Edaun asked Baam to ask them what made them like this. I wonder at what point did they change if data Edaun is referring to their current attitudes. Actually their current attitudes reminds me of Baam's blue demon.

 

[kkck]

So gustang called them bugs. Sometimes just bugs, some are pretty bugs..anyway they are bugs

And traumerei called them triffles

So gustang and traumerei has been marrying (?) And fvcking bugs and triffles to have children they dont love.

.....
And maybe thats why enne is so special to gustang and blossom. Tho non irregular, she is a purebreed. A true offspring to them. Not half irregular half bug

Anyway i think those term are hyperbolic. They can respect the strong and the influential. I doubt gustang regards his reading party is consisted by intelligent bugs

More like sexdolls? The terms bug at least is not literal.

We can't really know how exactly gustang or blossom felt about enne at this point but I think it's unlikely they view her as their peer. Gustang made the point to urek that only the family heads were his equals in the tower. And bam. To the best of our knowledge there are 3 confirmed folk within the great families who are children to two family heads. The ha twins from whom the ha family descends from and enne. I think there's potentially a case to be made that they are special among tower residents due to their specific parentage but in the end gustang did not include any of them when talking to urek about who was and wasn't their peer.

Also, it feels like if children of two irregular parents were substantially better than the alternatives then getting them would be more of a thing. Then again female family heads are in limited supply and they tend to be heavily matriarchal so perhaps there's simply no way to negotiate male family heads keeping hypothetical kids they would have with yurin, hana or blossom... I suppose it wouldn't be too weird if we eventually find out of attempts at such arrangements.

 

[sazon]

Eduan: onahole

 

[roronoa20]

So gustang and traumerei has been marrying (?) And fvcking bugs and triffles to have children they dont love.

When a man is horny, as long as he can shoot his load, everything is a fair game.

Also, Data Edaun asked Baam to ask them what made them like this. I wonder at what point did they change if data Edaun is referring to their current attitudes. Actually their current attitudes reminds me of Baam's blue demon.

I think the greatest turning point would be the immortality gift at 100th floor. Until that point, the ten great family heads and Zahard are obviously powerful, but still mortal, a common ground that they share with the residence. However, when it was removed, I think that's when the detachment became even worse. It's like you've become a different species alltogether.

It's my head canon, I think V refuses this gift, because he sees it from a mile away that becoming immortal is definitely not a good thing. It is why he's still be able to get closer to the the tower residence, because in his eyes, they are the same, a mortal human.

 

[Pbgustang]

I still think this bugs/triffle calling is just them deliberately showing arrogance and hyperbolic. Like a senior talking down to a newbie...in a way more levels

Sure the equal of them are fellow irregular. Tho we dont really know "equal" on what exactly. Privilege? Equally able to break tower law?...

Them fvcking a lower being (as their own thinking suggest) is just so low. Surely thats not the case, at least some spouses might be exceptional even for them.
If not, then as an irregular id compete with the other to get the equal being spouse. Like zahard, gustang and v did to get their own irregular wife.
Why would you marry bugs or triffle if there are still women exist

I think, Just because gustang think other species/race/whatever isnt an equal as his , doesnt mean it apply on every sense.

We as adult can talk to children and find interesting things, even new knowledge or perspective from them.

Even gustang has a reading party/club, i doubt he percieve his vvip club members as bug. (Eh, maybe bookworm including himself). At least i can be sure he wont think the workshop leader as bug just because he isnt irregular.

So i believe among non irregular highranker, some should be of high enough importance for them not to be treated as low as mere bug.

 

[Demonspeed]

There is a difference between considering them inferior beings and disliking them though. They can and must still have people they like among non-Irregulars even if they don't care about them as a whole. They are Human after all, and we know that Yurin favors Yuri for example.

On the other hand, they can still have relationships with partners without having romantic feelings for them, but clearly they wouldn't do something like this with people they don't find attractive.

Traumerei in particular seems to have done something to his emotions but it is clear that he has been hurt by love at some point.

 

[Zahard's Prophet]

I think you're underestimating the feudal aspect of ToG's setting. The Family Heads probably reproduce strictly for dynastic reasons of forming an elite upper stratum to lead society in the Tower, which suits their purposes for some reason or another. The entire Zahard Empire is likely just the most convenient way Zahard can organize power around himself to push up to higher floors (until they stopped because of whatever Zahard discovered on Floor 135).

 

[Spirit]

I don't think there's any sort of unified projection that Irregulars share on the denizens of the Tower. It's clear that something on the way to the 135th Floor happened to turn all the Great Heroes into the tower's biggest jackasses. The ones that came after all very likely hold the Tower's citizens aloof. There's a lot going on in the Talse Uzer Story, so each Irregular has their own shit going on. Baam is probably the most empathetic, obviously, but he was born in the Tower anyway, so who knows.

 

[kkck]

I still think this bugs/triffle calling is just them deliberately showing arrogance and hyperbolic. Like a senior talking down to a newbie...in a way more levels

Sure the equal of them are fellow irregular. Tho we dont really know "equal" on what exactly. Privilege? Equally able to break tower law?...

Them fvcking a lower being (as their own thinking suggest) is just so low. Surely thats not the case, at least some spouses might be exceptional even for them.
If not, then as an irregular id compete with the other to get the equal being spouse. Like zahard, gustang and v did to get their own irregular wife.
Why would you marry bugs or triffle if there are still women exist

I think, Just because gustang think other species/race/whatever isnt an equal as his , doesnt mean it apply on every sense.

We as adult can talk to children and find interesting things, even new knowledge or perspective from them.

Even gustang has a reading party/club, i doubt he percieve his vvip club members as bug. (Eh, maybe bookworm including himself). At least i can be sure he wont think the workshop leader as bug just because he isnt irregular.

So i believe among non irregular highranker, some should be of high enough importance for them not to be treated as low as mere bug.

But why? Their behavior on this seems mostly consistent. We have a fair bit of context on this, even data eduan made the point that they cared less and less of tower residents. It's pretty clear that from their perspective tower residents in general are simply less than them. Family heads see themselves as essentially gods or godlike and perceive tower residents as inferior beings of less intrinsic worth than themselves. Tower residents see family heads as gods or godlike and in general of greater worth than themselves (With exceptions). Even urek makes the point that this is why he doesn't like hanging around the family heads. And gustang mocks urek for it. And perhaps in a very telling manner urek does not rebuke gustang quite as hard as he could have... We even see gustang referring to the souls of floor of death residents as tiny. I think the implication there probably was that family head souls would be literally huge.