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I'll address some of the issues people have surrounding "Tobi = Obito", but obviously there will be some I've missed, I'll come to them as you pose them to me. I am in no way an expert on Naruto, not in the slightest, but with a little sideways thinking, it's not too difficult to make everything fit.
I highly doubt I'll be able to find an answer which makes sense for everything, but I'll give it a go. If there are any inconsistencies, post below, and any questions/unanswered stuff, do the same. Again, I'm a simple bloke with a simple idea, don't go flaming me if I've got something wrong.
There are some assumptions along the way, but my whole theory stems from one very important assumption... And not an outlandish one at that.
"Tobi" is a set of ideals, a persona if you will, played by more than one character, 2 are specifically hinted at:
The Tobi we know and love has turned out to be Obito, which, in hindsight, was very obvious from his appearance. Using this logic, the same can be applied for the long haired Tobi as being Madara... Same persona, 2 different people.
It has already been stated, by Kishi himself, that "Tobi" and Madara knew one another and their relationship will be revealed, by Tobi, one can assume he means Obito... So let's talk of where their relationship could have stemmed.
Assume Madara is alive at this point. His longevity is key.
Obito is buggered, stuck under a pile of rocks left and for dead. Zetsu, who's loyalty lies with "Tobi" (one can only assume the Madara-Tobi) , who claims "...I am the land itself", and loves to munch on bodies could have easily found and saved Obito from under that rubble. Having found he was of Uchiha decent, and with a luckily in-tact Sharingan, would have delivered him to Madara. Why? For Madara's wall of stolen Sharingans.
But how did they save his life? Simple. What did Madara steal which has remarkable healing properties and later allows for Rinnegan use in Uchihas? Harashimas cells of course!
But how can I claim Madara's been around so long? Remember the Image up there? That's from the time "Tobi" met Itachi, around the time of the Uchiha Massacre. For the purposes of my argument, he need not be alive after that conversation, which I will get to, but bear in mind throughout this that Madara's been alive until recently.
Again, more assumptions, but backed up with hard facts.
Obito was, in many respects, a pre-cursor to Naruto. Vying for recognition, wanting to become Hokage, trying to live up to Kakashi in the same way Naruto did Sasuke. There have been countless times where Naruto has reflected on how easy it would have been for him to go rogue like Sasuke, to go to the dark side and seek vengeance on Konoha... Obito is the living, breathing representation of this.
This is backed up by my earlier assumption that he was saved by Madara. One, if not the most infamous ninja to have ever lived could have easily warped and fashioned Obitos ideals into his own, in exactly the same way Iruka and Jiraiya did Naruto; "Konoha left you for dead, I saved you, I'll train you, I need you"... All that jazz. This would leave Obito with exactly the right amount of hate for Kakashi, Rin, Minato etc, to persuade him to attack Konoha.
How he achieved this is pretty much the only assumption I can't back up with hard facts, but there's a very easy way he could have achieve it... Kill your closest friend. He loved Rin, Rins departure is unexplained, 1+1=2.
He'd have known the raw facts from Madara... But that's about as far as I can go with this with nout to base it on.
Keep in mind, the "Tobi" Persona only works if the name behind the mask is Madara... Even if it is Obito. If it were only Obito from the get-go, no one would care.
Everything about the attack on Konoha could have been taught and guided by Madara from the side lines and performed by Obito. Madara would have known how to infiltrate Konoha, They wouldn't have been too hard to track and find, bearing in mind he can phase into anything and travel through it.
So, he kidnaps Naruto as a diversion, robs off with Kushina, Lets free a pissed off Kurama, Then gets roflstomed by Minato.
Seriously... People saying he "stood up" to Minato, did you really read their fight? He phased through him once, Minato teleported away from the chain, and the next attack was game over... There was no competition at all, "Tobi", or Obito, stood no chance what so ever. The only saving grace Obito had in that fight was is MS ability. That's it. He showed no other prowess except for being able to sneak in in the first place... Which his MS allowed him to do easily.
That is easily the level of a 14 year old Ninja with MS.
All of his dialogue throughout that period is accounted for by the "Tobi" persona, and the Madara lie which backs it up.
Chapter 339, Page 4, explained away easily by remembering the agony of having his eye removed to give to Kakashi... Add to that Obitos new found hatred of Konoha and its denizens, and you have a bit of a "clench my arm abruptly" situation.
More speculation, but it fits. Eye transplants are a proven fact. Madara forming the Rinnegan as the final form of the Sharingan is told. I believe that Tobi did give Nagato his Rinnegan... Madara's Rinnegan to be precise.
But Madara must have been alive after giving Nagato the Rinnegan, so what about his eyes when he met Itachi later on in time? Eye transplants and a Sharingan back catalogue (which was shown when Sasuke had his surgery) help a lot to believe this.
What about his eyes when he's summoned with Edo Tensei? Itachi's eyes were taken from his body and transplanted into Sasuke... But his Edo Tensei body has the Sharingan all the same.
So, throughout the timeline, only one set of the Rinnegan need have ever existed, the one Madara created, one of which currently sits in the left eye socket of Obito.
From Madara's calm and collected response to Edo Tensei being cancelled and himself remaining, that was not simply "luck of the draw", he knew more about that Jutsu than even Kabuto did. He must have known that should be he summoned back to life, he could remain even after the Jutsu was cancelled. Which begs the question; Was being summoned back, and his prior death, all part of his plan?
What's the advantage to that? Immortality mainly. Not to mention the added advantage of having the Rinnegan for both himself and Obito, since only one set exists, but you keep the power once you're brought back to life.
Again, this is all obviously speculation on my part and for as much as I can, I've talked with hard evidence. If anyone has anything to add, please do below. I'll back up my argument as best I can, but remember, I'm just a man, Not Kishi.
Be Kind.
I highly doubt I'll be able to find an answer which makes sense for everything, but I'll give it a go. If there are any inconsistencies, post below, and any questions/unanswered stuff, do the same. Again, I'm a simple bloke with a simple idea, don't go flaming me if I've got something wrong.
There are some assumptions along the way, but my whole theory stems from one very important assumption... And not an outlandish one at that.
....................................................................
"Tobi" is a set of ideals, a persona if you will, played by more than one character, 2 are specifically hinted at:
The Tobi we know and love has turned out to be Obito, which, in hindsight, was very obvious from his appearance. Using this logic, the same can be applied for the long haired Tobi as being Madara... Same persona, 2 different people.
It has already been stated, by Kishi himself, that "Tobi" and Madara knew one another and their relationship will be revealed, by Tobi, one can assume he means Obito... So let's talk of where their relationship could have stemmed.
Obito and Madara.
Assume Madara is alive at this point. His longevity is key.
Obito is buggered, stuck under a pile of rocks left and for dead. Zetsu, who's loyalty lies with "Tobi" (one can only assume the Madara-Tobi) , who claims "...I am the land itself", and loves to munch on bodies could have easily found and saved Obito from under that rubble. Having found he was of Uchiha decent, and with a luckily in-tact Sharingan, would have delivered him to Madara. Why? For Madara's wall of stolen Sharingans.
But how did they save his life? Simple. What did Madara steal which has remarkable healing properties and later allows for Rinnegan use in Uchihas? Harashimas cells of course!
But how can I claim Madara's been around so long? Remember the Image up there? That's from the time "Tobi" met Itachi, around the time of the Uchiha Massacre. For the purposes of my argument, he need not be alive after that conversation, which I will get to, but bear in mind throughout this that Madara's been alive until recently.
Why the change is Obitos ideals?
Again, more assumptions, but backed up with hard facts.
Obito was, in many respects, a pre-cursor to Naruto. Vying for recognition, wanting to become Hokage, trying to live up to Kakashi in the same way Naruto did Sasuke. There have been countless times where Naruto has reflected on how easy it would have been for him to go rogue like Sasuke, to go to the dark side and seek vengeance on Konoha... Obito is the living, breathing representation of this.
This is backed up by my earlier assumption that he was saved by Madara. One, if not the most infamous ninja to have ever lived could have easily warped and fashioned Obitos ideals into his own, in exactly the same way Iruka and Jiraiya did Naruto; "Konoha left you for dead, I saved you, I'll train you, I need you"... All that jazz. This would leave Obito with exactly the right amount of hate for Kakashi, Rin, Minato etc, to persuade him to attack Konoha.
Obitos Mangekyo Sharingan in 1-2 years.
How he achieved this is pretty much the only assumption I can't back up with hard facts, but there's a very easy way he could have achieve it... Kill your closest friend. He loved Rin, Rins departure is unexplained, 1+1=2.
He'd have known the raw facts from Madara... But that's about as far as I can go with this with nout to base it on.
Kyuubi Attack.
Keep in mind, the "Tobi" Persona only works if the name behind the mask is Madara... Even if it is Obito. If it were only Obito from the get-go, no one would care.
Everything about the attack on Konoha could have been taught and guided by Madara from the side lines and performed by Obito. Madara would have known how to infiltrate Konoha, They wouldn't have been too hard to track and find, bearing in mind he can phase into anything and travel through it.
So, he kidnaps Naruto as a diversion, robs off with Kushina, Lets free a pissed off Kurama, Then gets roflstomed by Minato.
Seriously... People saying he "stood up" to Minato, did you really read their fight? He phased through him once, Minato teleported away from the chain, and the next attack was game over... There was no competition at all, "Tobi", or Obito, stood no chance what so ever. The only saving grace Obito had in that fight was is MS ability. That's it. He showed no other prowess except for being able to sneak in in the first place... Which his MS allowed him to do easily.
That is easily the level of a 14 year old Ninja with MS.
All of his dialogue throughout that period is accounted for by the "Tobi" persona, and the Madara lie which backs it up.
His reaction on talking about Izuna.
Chapter 339, Page 4, explained away easily by remembering the agony of having his eye removed to give to Kakashi... Add to that Obitos new found hatred of Konoha and its denizens, and you have a bit of a "clench my arm abruptly" situation.
Nagato and the Rinnegan
More speculation, but it fits. Eye transplants are a proven fact. Madara forming the Rinnegan as the final form of the Sharingan is told. I believe that Tobi did give Nagato his Rinnegan... Madara's Rinnegan to be precise.
But Madara must have been alive after giving Nagato the Rinnegan, so what about his eyes when he met Itachi later on in time? Eye transplants and a Sharingan back catalogue (which was shown when Sasuke had his surgery) help a lot to believe this.
What about his eyes when he's summoned with Edo Tensei? Itachi's eyes were taken from his body and transplanted into Sasuke... But his Edo Tensei body has the Sharingan all the same.
So, throughout the timeline, only one set of the Rinnegan need have ever existed, the one Madara created, one of which currently sits in the left eye socket of Obito.
Madara's Death.
From Madara's calm and collected response to Edo Tensei being cancelled and himself remaining, that was not simply "luck of the draw", he knew more about that Jutsu than even Kabuto did. He must have known that should be he summoned back to life, he could remain even after the Jutsu was cancelled. Which begs the question; Was being summoned back, and his prior death, all part of his plan?
What's the advantage to that? Immortality mainly. Not to mention the added advantage of having the Rinnegan for both himself and Obito, since only one set exists, but you keep the power once you're brought back to life.
....................................................................
Again, this is all obviously speculation on my part and for as much as I can, I've talked with hard evidence. If anyone has anything to add, please do below. I'll back up my argument as best I can, but remember, I'm just a man, Not Kishi.
Be Kind.
