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File 4
Oishi VS Kikumaru 4-7

Extra Note: The inside of his hearts shake while fighting his close friend... But Oishi keeps hitting full strength until the end of the match.
Saitou Note - The fact he understands the opponent's heart is a double edge sword: Judging his opponent's heart, he says harsh words. He is a gentle man.

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File 5
Kaidoh VS Tezuka 0-7
Extra Notes:
By using Tezuka Zone, the rally continues on...
Shaking off his respect for Tezuka, he hits the ball full strength. With a satisfied face, Tezuka ends the match.

Tsuge Note - He has some difficulties in his phisical condition: Towards the end of the match he had quite some stress in his knee. Don't waste your stamina for no reason!
Saitou Note - breaking his mental barrier is an important problem: he is the type who decides his own limits without realizing.
 

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Hmm, I can't tell if each note is direct at whom for the file 5. Tezuka?
 

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Hmm, I can't tell if each note is direct at whom for the file 5. Tezuka?
All those notes he's translating now are from the losers' perspective, so that one's about Kaidou. Later in the book the same matches are described again, but with notes for the winner.
 

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File 6
Hiyoshi VS Atobe 45-47

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Everything in this match was for the sake of having Hiyoshi see through his main faults, as planned by Atobe. After seeing Hiyoshi's improved self, Atobe was reassured.

Saitou Note - always aiming up hides an inferiority complex: such a fiery desiry to improve hides his inferiority complex. When he realizes this weakness, his true evolution will start.
Tsuge Note - too many useless movements: he spends too much time performing "fascinating" play. Cut off the uselessness and give birth to victory!

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File 24
Echizen Ryoma VS somebody, loss by non-participation
File 25
Kintarou VS Somebody, loss by non-participation
Satou note for both - an unconventional personality, is it a good fortune or a bad fortune? : the two first years do not like group-oriented movements. This trouble-oriented personality conceals big changes.

Every other file of this section are mainly one liners that don't reveal much.

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I think I'll take some steps back and give some insight in to the pages before, which gives some detail on how the camp works. I won't translate everything, but I'll try to give at least some insight in to what each page is talking about.
 

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I think I'll take some steps back and give some insight in to the pages before, which gives some detail on how the camp works. I won't translate everything, but I'll try to give at least some insight in to what each page is talking about.
This sounds potentially interesting. You might want to check chapters three and four beforehand though since there was already some explanation given there. Two things I'm personally very curious about are (1) what they have to say about the 2nd string selection (vs the 1st string) and (2) if there's any mention of 1st court actually having less than 8 members (i.e. 8 being the maximum, but not necessarily the current number).
 

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Damn I forget Oishi is a 2 in Speed. This guy genuinely sucks. His potential must be higher than the clouds.
 

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Page 13
* Section Title: Guidebook Training camp for representative candidates of U-17 Japanese Selection (from page 13 to 20)
Contains the table of contents.

Page 14
* Objective and description of the camp
* Division in three groups -
* * first string, second string (normally is more or less 150) and second string possible candidates (the people that were invited to the camp, in this november, for the first time, middle schoolers were called).
* Coach Introduction
* * Bits of information on each coach. Each coach defends that tennis is defined by their own specialty (Battle strategy, Mental Conditioning, Body condition and "human power" for the mountain coach)

Page 15
Explains how the camp works for newcomers -
1) Cuts off people with the ball game
2) Makes people play and divides them according to the result.
3) Winners are divided in to courts, train in the camp normally
4) Losers go to mountain training and then rejoin the winners group later, being divided in to the courts.
5) Those who fail the mountain training are asked to leave the camp.

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Page 16
Explains about what the training camp provides players: optimized food, facilities, professionals. The conditioning coach comments that people who can't keep with his program should drop off, stating that the camp's principle is to cut off weaklings. It also talks a bit about the uniform, saying it was designed to invoke pride in the representatives.

Page 17
Explains what the mountain training provides players: the awakening of their sleeping abilities. It is a training that focuses on each player's main problems. Talks about how the design of the uniform awakens a rebellious spirit.
Tokugawa, after being able to feel his own progress, says the days he spent at the camp are the basis of who he is today.
 

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Oh... so you CAN fail the mountain training. Is there any mention of 1st stringer ability compare to 2nd stringer?

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This sounds potentially interesting. You might want to check chapters three and four beforehand though since there was already some explanation given there. Two things I'm personally very curious about are (1) what they have to say about the 2nd string selection (vs the 1st string) and (2) if there's any mention of 1st court actually having less than 8 members (i.e. 8 being the maximum, but not necessarily the current number).
@Kaoz

Pretty sure this here state that there are 8 members in court 1 (One is which is Tokugawa)

http://fanbook.livejournal.com/22113.html
 

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@Kaoz

Pretty sure this here state that there are 8 members in court 1 (One is which is Tokugawa)

http://fanbook.livejournal.com/22113.html
Yeah, I'm aware. But there is one page where you see Tokugawa and Tanegashima with what's presumably the rest of 1st court and there are only 4 unknowns there instead of 6, that's why I'm curious.
 

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Sometimes people just aren't drawn? And this also seem to suggest 8 players rather than maximum of 8.

http://2.p.mpcdn.net/21894/374372/8.jpg

Btw, what pages is that page? I kind of want to see other 1st court prospect, considering they're the real fruit of the camp.
 

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Dang, you can't see majority of their face. Wish more is cover about them. Probably not going to happen though.
 

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I'll take a new look at the description of first and second stringer later, but I also believe the fanbook may come back to this kind of thing later on.

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No comments on power difference between the two strings. They only say the second string goes through harsh training in order to aim for a position at the first string.

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Page 18
Talks about the court system.

About the first court, it says "there is a player there that is stronger than the first string?!" alongside Tokugawa's picture.
About the third court, it says it is the core of the 2nd string, where many players of refined explosive individuality gather.
About the fifth court, it's the "gate to hell" where newcomers get stomped.
Then, there is a panel talking about the match "change match" between the first string and the second string which is only descriptive. It does affirm that player selection is decided by the coaches.

Page 19
Talks about the two types of change match. It states those matches are like a "bridge in to a rainbow" that will eventually lead in to the first string.
Extra Notes: Even middle schoolers will go up in courts if they keep winning.
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Change Match: a singles match between players of different courts.
Rules:
* Every morning, the match ups are posted (at 6 am).
* If you win against a person from a lower court, you stay where you are.
Note: For the person in the higher court, you're just protecting your position. The pressure of having to drop down iin case of losing becomes an enemy.
* If you win against a person from a higher court, you change courts.
Note: Since there is nothing to lose, that becomes a weapon.
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Total change match:
A group match instead of singles.
Rules:
* This match must be request by representatives, then the coaches can aprove or not.
* The team that loses must spend 1 week without being able to request another one. But if they did not request the match in the first place, there is no such limit.
* The match is played by 7 players, two doubles and 3 singles, with the player order defined by the players themselves. The first team who wins 3 matches, wins.

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I suppose there was nothing new here...

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Page 20
About the first string.
Rules of the first string:
* Even in non-official matches, if you lose, you give up the badge.
Note: the number reflects the strength. When challenging for a match, the decision must take in to account the person's number.
* During a change match, the members will be exchanged: Even if it's a group match, the group match's result itself does not matter, as soon as the player loses, he drops out from the first string. The winning player then enters the first string. (TN: then why does it have a different name when there is no difference in practice...? No reason to call it a group match in the first place. Maybe it's simply because every member MUST play)

No. 11 to 20
Those players are reserves. The chances to to play in official matches don't happen often.

Genius 10
Special players even inside the first string. Afterwards, No.5 was replaced by Oni.

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Page 21
This page marks the beginning of the report on the singles matches between friends, with a focus on the losers, that I've already translated. There is a brief introduction written by Saitou himself where he says this is to increase the mental strength of the players.

From page 21 to 51 we have those match reports and the loser's profiles.

Tomorrow I'll get started on page 52-57, where they detail the mountain training.
After page 57, we have the winners side of the VS friend matches, so that should be cool.
 

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Page 20
About the first string.
Rules of the first string:
* Even in non-official matches, if you lose, you give up the badge.
Note: the number reflects the strength. When challenging for a match, the decision must take in to account the person's number.
* During a change match, the members will be exchanged: Even if it's a group match, the group match's result itself does not matter, as soon as the player loses, he drops out from the first string. The winning player then enters the first string. (TN: then why does it have a different name when there is no difference in practice...? No reason to call it a group match in the first place. Maybe it's simply because every member MUST play)
This does explain things actually. Basically, I believe it means that if you're on the 1st string and lose you forfeit your number regardless of whether it's an official match or not, however the player who won over the 1st stringer only actually gets the number if it was an official match. In case of unofficial matches (i.e. 12-19 in the manga) the spots are probably considered vacant and the coaches then decide on who gets them based on some factors.

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About the first court, it says "there is a player there that is stronger than the first string?!" alongside Tokugawa's picture.
This is also very interesting actually since the coaches apparently considered Tokugawa stronger than (a lot of) the 1st string even with his 22.5 stats.
 

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Hmm, I think that seem to heavily hinted that 1st stringer are stronger than the 2nd stringer. There's no point to say "a" player and shows Tokugawa if 3rd court and up already surpass the 1st stringer. It would simply say players. Not to mention the book choose to focus on the 1st court when it said that.

And Tokugawa being stronger than 1st stringer isn't something new, he know he would have beat Byoudonin if Byoudonin didn't assault Echizen the night before.

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Note: the number reflects the strength. When challenging for a match, the decision must take in to account the person's number.
Told ya all so. Been telling you guys forveverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. It's one thing I thought I'm wrong about but turns out I was right all along. Thank you Awennor.
 

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Hmm, I think that seem to heavily hinted that 1st stringer are stronger than the 2nd stringer. There's no point to say "a" player and shows Tokugawa if 3rd court and up already surpass the 1st stringer. It would simply say players. Not to mention the book choose to focus on the 1st court when it said that.
Unless it means that Tokugawa may be stronger than the entire first string. Heck, we know that Irie and Oni are stronger than a considerable amount of the 1st string already and Nakagauchi was chosen over Ban for the WC. It's simply impossible for that to mean nobody except Tokugawa.

And Tokugawa being stronger than 1st stringer isn't something new, he know he would have beat Byoudonin if Byoudonin didn't assault Echizen the night before.
My point was more that it was with the 22.5 stats and that the stats might not be "fake" like it has been theorized.
 

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Told ya all so. Been telling you guys forveverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. It's one thing I thought I'm wrong about but turns out I was right all along. Thank you Awennor.
So by this logic... Therefore... Mouri > Irie? Duke > Oni?
The numbers may have been given out in order of strength but by the time we met the 1st String I believe storyline complications were added to make things more interesting.
Unless you're happy to confirm Ban > Hakamada although stats and the fact Ban wasn't recalled for the 1st String says otherwise.

Needless to say, that the numbers they players had when we met them were not necessarily 100% accurately indicative of their strength. Which would mean nothings changed at all.
 

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With Duke > Oni, Oni didn't reveal Kijin to anyone except Byodoin. So BJK Oni is No.5. Kijin/PoP Oni would be No.2 or even No.1.
Pirate Byodoin is No.1/No.2. I'd say BH Tokugawa would suit No.3. But Duke's power is a big factor in him being 3rd.

I think the numbering was from the past. As Awennor translated, if you lose the match, you get dumped. I'm sure Byodoin went straight for No.1's badge whenever he did. He and Oni were the best at their age.

With No.11-20 as reserves is kind of disappoitning. Less Irie but don't care about the rest. I was looking forward to seeing him at full strength too.
 

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So by this logic... Therefore... Mouri > Irie? Duke > Oni?
The numbers may have been given out in order of strength but by the time we met the 1st String I believe storyline complications were added to make things more interesting.
Unless you're happy to confirm Ban > Hakamada although stats and the fact Ban wasn't recalled for the 1st String says otherwise.

Needless to say, that the numbers they players had when we met them were not necessarily 100% accurately indicative of their strength. Which would mean nothings changed at all.
I won't be bother to go to my old posts and make the same point I make before. There are exceptions to the rule. Oni, Irie, and Tokugawa are examples of those exceptions that I give before.

Duke DO > BJK Oni. I'm not at all surprise to see G10 > any joking variation of Irie as well.

Ban probably > Hakamada, as that's what the book say it's pretty much confirm, even if you don't want to believe it. There might be some changes in player skill during this few days at the camp that leads to Fuwa and Ban not being pick, but that's irrelevant to the strength of how they are introduce at first. The selection also include stuff like potential, unless you want to use this logic for Oishi owning majority of unselect MS? If the fanbook say so, it is true. One does not simply disagree with the author. There's certainly a lot more ground with this support to my argument than before.
 
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Ban probably > Hakamada, as that's what the book say it's pretty much confirm, even if you don't want to believe it..
As long as you realise that this new info doesn't sway the argument in anyone's favour at all.
Considering you are the same person convinced Kimijima's strength isn't entirely real. This is the same fanbook. Unless you concede on that point.
the stats from the same fanbook suggest otherwise with the Ban > Hakamada thing. I just don't think it is as clear cut as strength in numerical order which is what makes the story interesting.
 
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