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[oxtopus]

How was he physically stronger? Fraudrin confirmed Meliodas was tired after his fight with Dolor and Gloxinia, and yet Meliodas managed to retrieve his lost arm and almost landed two clean hits on Zeldris.

When did fraudrin say meliodas was
tired,how long did he fight for that he became tired? There's no excuse,meliodas could still go at it,just before the Tc arrived. He and zeldris are more or less equal in physical ability,meliodas then wasn't stronger

Err, that's what I'm saying. I said "physical strength doesn't make you immune to everything," implying it was not just his physical strength which
outshone Dolor and Glox.

Durabilty is related to the physical ability as in the more powerful your physical ability the more tougher your durability is.

Meliodas durability was tough enough to withstand some of dolor and gloxinia individual magic attacks. Even though it doesn't make sense,it still happened.
Meliodas magic was a non factor in that fight. Everything,him withstanding
and overpowering them was done through pure physical ability. Meliodas didn't even use full counter.

Well, we don't know what
Escanor's magic PL was at that point, so we can't tell. And since we vaguely know that Meliodas has among the most powerful darkness powers, that doesn't really make sense if he has 52K, if you're linking it to the total power level. If
that was the case, Estarossa and Zeldris should've had darkness far above Meliodas' level, which they seemingly don't.
And as for darkness, I generally mean the one which Mel used to destroy Danafor.

It does makes sense. Meliodas 52k is just the level of his powers he can control. He still has his prime powers with him. If he let's loose his Pl would be way higher. It's just like before he regained his power. I used to think he had several stages of his demon power. The one he used against ban was him keeping his demon power at a level he could perfectly control(4k pl). While in his fight against helbram and galan he released all the power he had (10K pl)but could not control himself .

It's just like that now. The proposed 52k is the level of his demon power
meliodas can control.

He won't go higher than that because he would lose control and could be consumed by his darkness. If that happened he'd return to his past evil self. That's why meliodas darkness is way stronger than the others. It's


because he still has his full prime power even though it wouldn't reflect on his current stats.

P.s I don't think meliodas danfor blast was his darkness,that's could probably just be his special demon ability

 

[SpectrumRay16]

P.s I don't think meliodas danfor blast was his darkness,that's could probably just be his special demon ability

If his special ability is like Zeldris's and it happens to be "God" then that would be a pretty powerful and terrifying ability for the demons to have. Especially if Meliodas did end up switching sides and teamed up with Zeldris.

 

[Gallon]

When did fraudrin say meliodas was
tired,how long did he fight for that he became tired? There's no excuse,meliodas could still go at it,just before the Tc arrived. He and zeldris are more or less equal in physical ability,meliodas then wasn't stronger

He said his fight with Gloxinia and Dolor took out more of his stamina than he had hoped to, so he was not "perfectly fine" when he fought Zeldris. It is an excuse.
You said Zeldris was stronger, I said he wasn't - I didn't mention Meliodas' strength being higher, even though it might be.

Durabilty is related to the physical ability as in the more powerful your physical ability the more tougher your durability is.

Meliodas durability was tough enough to withstand some of dolor and gloxinia individual magic attacks. Even though it doesn't make sense,it still happened.
Meliodas magic was a non factor in that fight. Everything,him withstanding
and overpowering them was done through pure physical ability. Meliodas didn't even use full counter.

You said it yourself @ bold. A magic attack's nature is pretty different from a physical one's, so Meliodas shouldn't really be tanking such levels of magic without getting a scratch, but as you said, it happened.
Additionally, when we got the spoilers of the chapter when he destroys Glox's armour, it seemed as if the pressure he released made it shatter, so are we certain his magic and spirit don't increase? He certainly has more than 2100 spirit if the Ten Commandments have around that or even more.

It does makes sense. Meliodas 52k is just the level of his powers he can control. He still has his prime powers with him. If he let's loose his Pl would be way higher. It's just like before he regained his power. I used to think he had several stages of his demon power. The one he used against ban was him keeping his demon power at a level he could perfectly control(4k pl). While in his fight against helbram and galan he released all the power he had (10K pl)but could not control himself .

It's just like that now. The proposed 52k is the level of his demon power
meliodas can control.

He won't go higher than that because he would lose control and could be consumed by his darkness. If that happened he'd return to his past evil self. That's why meliodas darkness is way stronger than the others. It's because he still has his full prime power even though it wouldn't reflect on his current stats.

P.s I don't think meliodas danfor blast was his darkness,that's could probably just be his special demon ability

He killed Gelda while consciously using his darkness blast, so it's not that he needs to let his power loose to use such level of darkness. We also saw him letting it loose when fighting King, so that's not all he can control.
If the stats are as you suggest, he shouldn't have been able to block 53 of Derrierie's attacks, for instance. Her basic strength is like 48,000 (higher than what you assume Mel's to be), and adding to that like 5000 tons is insane, and Meliodas is only the second person to do so.

As for the darkness blast, I just refer to it as darkness because it's dark - I don't mean the jet black marks. However, it implies it's a magic attack, and he consciously used it against Derrierie, so it should be visible in his magic level department.
To be honest, I'd assume his distribution to be similar to Estarossa's, give and take here or there.

 

[LivewireToriko]

Arthur's power level makes me hate power levels even more lmao.

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Arthur's power level makes me hate power levels even more lmao.

I agree, the sins and commandments power levels made relative sense to the plot (Though Escanor umeasurable was annoying af)
But, with the other side characters given theirs it's kind of frustrating when they are either much stronger/weaker than assumed.
Arthur's Pl is probably the biggest "Power levels are BS" moment so far for them, because he has 40K but he can only use 2400 because he doesn't know his magical ability.
Even Elizabeth had hers from a super young age, why doesn't he? What makes his ability so special that it requires activation for it to count?
Either way... i'm nitpicking a bit... but, Estarossa's magic level comes into the fray for somewhat stupid as well (for me at least)
Estarossa's magic being super low has already been a fairly large discussion point on this, but, it does seem kind of silly of Nakaba to make a clear reference to the guy's magic and then for him to be physically insane.
I honestly expected full counter to physical attacks, for him to be fairly weak in that department and in magic he'd be super high... unless of course there is more to it.
It's annoying when without the fanbook the scene is legit, but, with it... it falls sort of flat on it's face.
Though, the fanbook did more good than bad here... at least we got to know more info about Merlin and the commandments!

 

[Sylphe]

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Arthur's Pl is probably the biggest "Power levels are BS" moment so far for them, because he has 40K but he can only use 2400 because he doesn't know his magical ability.

Where is it said that Arthur can only use 2400 worth of magic ??? isn't that just your assumption ?

As for Gloxinia's comment stating that Escanor's magic power is on the same level as Estarossa' when the later doesn't have a very high magic stat, it sure is strange, but perhaps it was a mistranslation, or Gloxina was just comparing the QUALITY of magic rather than the QUANTITY ! yeah i know, this explanation is pretty dull and plain but why not after all !

 

[SpectrumRay16]

Where is it said that Arthur can only use 2400 worth of magic ??? isn't that just your assumption ?

As for Gloxinia comment stating that Escanor's magic power is on the same level as Estarossa when the later doesn't have a very high magic stat, it sure is strange, but perhaps it was a mistranslation, or Gloxina was just comparing the QUALITY of magic rather than the QUANTITY ! yeah i know, this explanation is pretty dull and plain but why not after all !

OH! My bad, i wasn't saying Arthur could only use 2400 of his magic, i meant he cannot use any of his magic and therefore his power level in total is his strength and spirit - magic, which is 2400! Hope i cleared that up a bit, should have been a bit clearer
No, to be fair... if the quality of his magic was what it was compared to was what Gloxinia meant, then that makes 100 times more sense than you think.
Not only does it fit, considering both the purgatory flame and sunshine seem to be fire based. The vampire king himself compared the two when Sunshine busted his "unpenetratable armor". It's very interesting how these two types of magic have been compared though, because they are so different, but, share certain similarities.

 

[HereNThere]

I'm curious as to why no one can sensed how much magic Arthur had after he left the cage with Cath. Gowther and Hawk should've said something as Arthur was technically the strongest person in the group. King didn't say anything either despite being able to sense Mel's growth in power. Mel himself was able to sense Monspiet, Galan, and Matrona's levels from a distance along with King.

Did Nakaba simply not draw their reactions? I mean, combined with Cath, Arthur's power is 50010. That has to be noticeable.

 

[Sylphe]

OH! My bad, i wasn't saying Arthur could only use 2400 of his magic, i meant he cannot use any of his magic and therefore his power level in total is his strength and spirit - magic, which is 2400! Hope i cleared that up a bit, should have been a bit clearer

My bad too, i misunderstood !^^"
Still, as i said before, i don't think that Arthur being unable to use magic will prevent others from sensing the huge amount of magic he possesses ! In fact they did sense it when he came to Liones. the Sins sensed two great magic powers ( Merlin and Arthur) with smaller ones ( the fake army that Merlin created)! So it makes less sense that the Sins ,Hendrickson and all who sensed him to not be more surprised and shocked by his power !

No, to be fair... if the quality of his magic was what it was compared to was what Gloxinia meant, then that makes 100 times more sense than you think.
Not only does it fit, considering both the purgatory flame and sunshine seem to be fire based. The vampire king himself compared the two when Sunshine busted his "unpenetratable armor". It's very interesting how these two types of magic have been compared though, because they are so different, but, share certain similarities.

Yeah i know it makes sense if not i wouldn't have suggested that explantation ! When i said it's pretty "dull" and "plain", it's because i find it strange that Glxinia would be impressed by the quality of magic when its quantity is so low ! I mean in a battle between magic based fighters, the one who has +40K worth of magic would pulverise easily another who is only in the thousands even if the later has better magic quality than the first, so Gloxi' being that amazed doesn't seem that legit to me !

 

[SpectrumRay16]

My bad too, i misunderstood !^^"
Still, as i said before, i don't think that Arthur being unable to use magic will prevent others from sensing the huge amount of magic he possesses ! In fact they did sense it when he came to Liones. the Sins sensed two great magic powers ( Merlin and Arthur) with smaller ones ( the fake army that Merlin created)! So it makes less sense that the Sins ,Hendrickson and all who sensed him to not be more surprised and shocked by his power !



Yeah i know it makes sense if not i wouldn't suggested that explantation ! When i said it's pretty "dull" and "plain", it's because i find it strange that Glxinia would be impressed by the quality of magic when its quantity is so low ! I mean in a battle between magic based fighters, the one who has +40K worth of magic would pulverise easily another who is only in the thousands even if the later has better magic quality than the first, so Gloxi' being that amazed doesn't seem that legit to me !

True, unless the three brothers have a particular quality to their magic that no other demon has and it's on such a high level that a human coming close would be very impressive? But, to be honest... if we are considering Escanor's power level at the time was 28880 and he needed to use Rhitta to increase the damage output. It is likely that his magic at the time of launching that attack exceeded 3000... unless Escanor's magic relies on spirit?
Or maybe the unmeasurable is a hint towards Escanor's power level not splitting into three parts?
But, it is only a single number that can be deciphered and that is the total?
Who knows by this point??? Either way, i understand what you mean and i agree... there should be more to it than that.
Maybe Glox and Dolor will explain what they meant when the commandment regroup and hear about what he did to Estarossa???
About what they felt when he let loose at Vaizel?

 

[Gaggen]

If galan with a power level of 40k which has a 10k range difference from escanor could barely create a little damage to escanor (which is negligible). I wonder how ban with the power level of 3220 could even snap merascylla's head who had a power level of 50k+ ..... and arthur lol, a good laughing stock....40k power level...... somehow i feel dolor is not in his prime during his battle with mel... maybe he didnt recover or maybe he need both his eyes to draw out his full strength..... its ridiculous for a brat with 32k power level take on both commandments who have 50k+ power level.....

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

If galan with a power level of 40k which has a 10k range difference from escanor could barely create a little damage to escanor (which is negligible). I wonder how ban with the power level of 3220 could even snap merascylla's head who had a power level of 50k+ ..... and arthur lol, a good laughing stock....40k power level......

Ban snaping her head is normal since shes below him in physical strength

 

[Gaggen]

Ban snaping her head is normal since shes below him in physical strength

I dont think it works that way. Meliodas did more physical damage to dolor even though dolor had a higher physical strength...

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

I dont think it works that way. Meliodas did more physical damage to dolor even though dolor had a higher physical strength...

Something is wrong with these pl
Maybe it is because of mel's cutting power ?
And if i remember well dolor didnt land physical attacks at all
These pl are all off

 

[SpectrumRay16]

I dont think it works that way. Meliodas did more physical damage to dolor even though dolor had a higher physical strength...

Could have been because he took her by surprise... i mean, Matrona was able to take on Galan and Monspiet in a surprise attack... so, it would be somewhat logical if a surprise attack meant they let their guard down enough for the opponents attacks to do something.
And Meliodas cut dolor's arms after he got wounded by Escanor... then he had to put the black mark on to cut him again.
I get the feeling that what Gowther said in the chapter power levels were introduced makes a lot more sense right now.
"Power levels don't necessarily matter" or something along those lines.

 

[Gaggen]

Something is wrong with these pl
Maybe it is because of mel's cutting power ?
And if i remember well dolor didnt land physical attacks at all
These pl are all off

Giga smash and few more if i am not mistaken.... and he was between dolor's palms.

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Could have been because he took her by surprise... i mean, Matrona was able to take on Galan and Monspiet in a surprise attack... so, it would be somewhat logical if a surprise attack meant they let their guard down enough for the opponents attacks to do something.
And Meliodas cut dolor's arms after he got wounded by Escanor... then he had to put the black mark on to cut him again.
I get the feeling that what Gowther said in the chapter power levels were introduced makes a lot more sense right now.
"Power levels don't necessarily matter" or something along those lines.

Maybe they do and maybe they not..... fiddling with the mind is one of the most dangerous technique except for the stronger ones unless gowther upgrade his power level..... for gowther its all about feelings...

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

Trying to defeat mel by throwing rock is stupid i'm sure if dolor could hit him he would've been damaged
Or maybe he didnt really want to use his full power

 

[kkck]

Something is wrong with these pl
Maybe it is because of mel's cutting power ?
And if i remember well dolor didnt land physical attacks at all
These pl are all off

The most likely explanation is that dolor took a huge amount of damage from escanor's attack and thus meliodas was able to match him with his strength. Then of course gloxinia and dolor got healed, which likely restored their strength but meliodas was already using his more advanced transformations and thus could keep up.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

It's probably just an inconsistency with the Mel and Dolor fight. They happen from time to time, and it's hard to keep track of all the power levels. For what it's worth though, power levels are pretty accurate in determining fights. Even when Estarossa was getting smoked, one of the things he took note of was Escanor surging power.

 

[Epic_Rider]

I'm curious as to why no one can sensed how much magic Arthur had after he left the cage with Cath. Gowther and Hawk should've said something as Arthur was technically the strongest person in the group. King didn't say anything either despite being able to sense Mel's growth in power. Mel himself was able to sense Monspiet, Galan, and Matrona's levels from a distance along with King.

Seems pretty simple to me. Arthur hasn't actually figured out what his magic is, so no one can sense it yet.