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[Yakkun]

So it hasn't been confirmed, it's just a rumour.I think we could get that confirmation when the manga enters its final arc, and tbh I'd be more interested in seeing him do something else after NnT, with a completely different setting.

PS:Btw was your hunch back at NF correct?

I don't mind either way. First and foremost he should concentrate on continuing this story and keep its quality level, so far it is still the best of all his series (albeit Kongou Banchou had an entire different vibe of manliness and vitality to it, he probably won't ever reach that again).
And yeah, my hunch back at NF was right. When you first signed up there I wasn't really sure but it became more and more apparent to me over time.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I don't mind either way. First and foremost he should concentrate on continuing this story and keep its quality level, so far it is still the best of all his series (albeit Kongou Banchou had an entire different vibe of manliness and vitality to it, he probably won't ever reach that again).
And yeah, my hunch back at NF was right. When you first signed up there I wasn't really sure but it became more and more apparent to me over time.

Well the Arthurian legends end up on a downer imo, Arthur dies and he's killed by Mordred his own son.And my favorite character of the Arthurian legends was always Lancelot, Arthur himself is not that interesting as a character, he just fits the hero archetype.Lancelot is more conflicted between his duty to his King and his feelings for Gwynevere. I would love to see some of the less important characters like Morgane le Fay, or the Knights in general, if Suzuki could somehow incorporate them in the current story it would be great.

Thankfully you figured it out, I've been throwing hints at your direction for months now.

 

[Demonspeed]

Escanor is special. It's been shown and reinforced a thousand times. And there is clearly a as of yet explained reason.

Arthur was only said to have potential in manga.

Nakaba also said Arthur has the potential so surpass the sins(doesn't necessarily include escanor, and Meliodas as most statements that refer to the sins as a group power-wise obviously don't include Escanor and Meliodas, who are currently vastly stronger then their friends, and will most likely remain significantly stronger then their friends even when they get their power ups).

Arthur, as a human especially, randomly having 37k worth of magic just cause he's the chosen one, makes him the epitome of an asspull, not special.

Yes as Humans both Arthur and Escanor are spécial and you said yourself that Nakaba said he can surpass the Sins(Mel and Escanor are Sins so they are include d by default). He is the chosen one for a reason, which is unknown as of now. When we learnt all of this Escanor had not even been properly introduced and he can't use his powers right now, struggling against a Gray Demon so I don't see how it is an asspull when we knew about this already.

 

[kkck]

Well, I could see arthur surpassing meliodas but I do have trouble seeing him surpass escanor. Escanor is an embodiment of the sun that vastly surpassed estarosa.... However strong arthur's magic is, what could it plausibly be that surpasses the sun itself? Surpassing the sins does not mean he surpasses all of them either. We have seen the sheer difference in strength between the commandments. Zeldris is at 61k, estarosa at 60.... Fraudrin is at 31k, galan at 27k (40 with his overdrive). The sins once they fully develop their power will likely have a similar range. Ban is just a human and can make up or his power with his ability so he likely will be on the lower end of PL among he sins. Gowther does not need huge PL to be a threat so he likely will be lower as well. King and diane are probably going to be on the higher end of the PL scale considering they will end up going up against two commandments who also seem to be on the higher end. And more importantly, the people they fight have their exact same abilities so PL will end up being a huge factor (unless of course they do not actually fight dolor and gloxinia). The spellcasters among the commandments seem to be greylord and merascylla so merlin can probably do with PL comparable to theirs.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Well, I could see arthur surpassing meliodas but I do have trouble seeing him surpass escanor. Escanor is an embodiment of the sun that vastly surpassed estarosa.... However strong arthur's magic is, what could it plausibly be that surpasses the sun itself? Surpassing the sins does not mean he surpasses all of them either. We have seen the sheer difference in strength between the commandments. Zeldris is at 61k, estarosa at 60.... Fraudrin is at 31k, galan at 27k (40 with his overdrive). The sins once they fully develop their power will likely have a similar range. Ban is just a human and can make up or his power with his ability so he likely will be on the lower end of PL among he sins. Gowther does not need huge PL to be a threat so he likely will be lower as well. King and diane are probably going to be on the higher end of the PL scale considering they will end up going up against two commandments who also seem to be on the higher end. And more importantly, the people they fight have their exact same abilities so PL will end up being a huge factor (unless of course they do not actually fight dolor and gloxinia). The spellcasters among the commandments seem to be greylord and merascylla so merlin can probably do with PL comparable to theirs.

And if Arthur surpasses the Sins, where does Escanor's power which sits atop all clans fit? Escanor and Arthur are both humans, so Escanor should still be above him.

Anyway I'm sure it will get explained eventually, or debunked even, but I really can't say if it was a smart move to reveal the bit about Arthur now.It's just confusing.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

Assuming Arthur gains/founds something like Excalibur or Rhongomyniad (and assuming it rivals that of the Sacred Treasures), I can see Arthur surpassing Escanor.

Would be interesting to see how things go if Arthur gains decent development. Hopefully, he doesn't be with the sins "just because".

 

[MrSchmitty7]

To be fair though, people say Zaratras was the only holy knight that was able to stand up to "the sins" but we all know that Meliodas made him nearly crap himself, and that anyone with an individual power level number cannot surpass Escanor because of his "plot" scaling and going beyond Balor's eye limits. I think Zaratras could reasonably fight everyone besides Meliodas and Escanor, and that's where his reputation comes from. That or Meli held back a lot to make him feel better. Basically, don't group the sins if you're gonna include Escanor and Meliodas. Meliodas is notorious for holding back, and Esanor is either locked up or sleeping half the time.

 

[kkck]

To be fair though, people say Zaratras was the only holy knight that was able to stand up to "the sins" but we all know that Meliodas made him nearly crap himself, and that anyone with an individual power level number cannot surpass Escanor because of his "plot" scaling and going beyond Balor's eye limits. I think Zaratras could reasonably fight everyone besides Meliodas and Escanor, and that's where his reputation comes from. That or Meli held back a lot to make him feel better. Basically, don't group the sins if you're gonna include Escanor and Meliodas. Meliodas is notorious for holding back, and Esanor is either locked up or sleeping half the time.

Well, zarathras was at the 3000 mark which early in the manga was the bare minimum required to be a sin. Zarathras clearly is fodder to meliodas but in turn he could have been a threat for several of the other sins.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

To be fair though, people say Zaratras was the only holy knight that was able to stand up to "the sins" but we all know that Meliodas made him nearly crap himself, and that anyone with an individual power level number cannot surpass Escanor because of his "plot" scaling and going beyond Balor's eye limits. I think Zaratras could reasonably fight everyone besides Meliodas and Escanor, and that's where his reputation comes from. That or Meli held back a lot to make him feel better. Basically, don't group the sins if you're gonna include Escanor and Meliodas. Meliodas is notorious for holding back, and Esanor is either locked up or sleeping half the time.

...err I don't think the unmeasurable part is about him going over the limits of Balor's eyes.It simply means that his power level isn't fixed, how do you display the power level of a guy who starts at 15 then goes anywhere near 100K? It's not a fixed value, so it's completely useless to try and come up with his power level value, and more importantly the breakdown of his stats. It's just not feasible, and more importantly it's just to keep the secret about his peak hidden, since his strongest PL should be that.

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Assuming Arthur gains/founds something like Excalibur or Rhongomyniad (and assuming it rivals that of the Sacred Treasures), I can see Arthur surpassing Escanor.

Would be interesting to see how things go if Arthur gains decent development. Hopefully, he doesn't be with the sins "just because".

He already has Excalibur, the previous fanbook said he had two swords, one is Excalibur and the other I forgot its name.

He already pulled the sword out of the stone as seen here

That should be Excalibur, and as you can see it's different from the sword he's currently using.

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Yep found it, the bit about Arthur's swords

The one on the left that he uses all the time is called "Sequence".The one on the right is Excalibur. So he already has it.

 

[LivewireToriko]

And if Arthur surpasses the Sins, where does Escanor's power which sits atop all clans fit? Escanor and Arthur are both humans, so Escanor should still be above him.

Anyway I'm sure it will get explained eventually, or debunked even, but I really can't say if it was a smart move to reveal the bit about Arthur now.It's just confusing.

I think he should be stronger than Arthur too, but you can't use that statement as proof why IMO.

Escanor said he was the strongest Taizai character(presumably at his peak).

It's a character statement he made himself about himself.

While it has yet to be proven wrong, and has a legit possibility of being true, it can't be taken as fact.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

...err I don't think the unmeasurable part is about him going over the limits of Balor's eyes.It simply means that his power level isn't fixed, how do you display the power level of a guy who starts at 15 then goes anywhere near 100K? It's not a fixed value, so it's completely useless to try and come up with his power level value, and more importantly the breakdown of his stats. It's just not feasible, and more importantly it's just to keep the secret about his peak hidden, since his strongest PL should be that.

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He already has Excalibur, the previous fanbook said he had two swords, one is Excalibur and the other I forgot its name.

He already pulled the sword out of the stone as seen here

That should be Excalibur, and as you can see it's different from the sword he's currently using.

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Yep found it, the bit about Arthur's swords

The one on the left that he uses all the time is called "Sequence".The one on the right is Excalibur. So he already has it.

Yeah but Balor's eye has already measured Escanor's powers when they were rising. After he beat Galan, Merlin noted that his 50,060 power level was continuing to rise, so Balor's eye can see his rising power level. Also Suzuki could've given a range for Escanor's powers in the fan book. He did it for his weight and height, and those are also constantly changing. We also haven't seen or heard of Arthur's peak magic, but it's listed at 40,000 already before any mention from the manga.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

He already has Excalibur, the previous fanbook said he had two swords, one is Excalibur and the other I forgot its name.

He already pulled the sword out of the stone as seen here

That should be Excalibur, and as you can see it's different from the sword he's currently using.
--- Double Post Merged, 19 minutes ago --- Yep found it, the bit about Arthur's swords

The one on the left that he uses all the time is called "Sequence".The one on the right is Excalibur. So he already has it.

Hmm... so Rhongomyniad is the better option (that, or the Dagger that I can't remember the name).
Which reminds me, why hasn't Arthur used Excalibur? We can assume the weapon is extremely powerful, but the real question is where is the weapon?
I do hope there's more information about that sometime later (either in the manga or fan book).

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I think he should be stronger than Arthur too, but you can't use that statement as proof why IMO.

Escanor said he was the strongest Taizai character(presumably at his peak).

It's a character statement he made himself about himself.

While it has yet to be proven wrong, and has a legit possibility of being true, it can't be taken as fact.

He's not the only one who made that statement Merlin did too, so it's not just some pride from Escanor.

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Yeah but Balor's eye has already measured Escanor's powers when they were rising. After he beat Galan, Merlin noted that his 50,060 power level was continuing to rise, so Balor's eye can see his rising power level. Also Suzuki could've given a range for Escanor's powers in the fan book. He did it for his weight and height, and those are also constantly changing. We also haven't seen or heard of Arthur's peak magic, but it's listed at 40,000 already before any mention from the manga.

No it hasn't, that was Merlin who sensed it, there's no proof she was using the eye.Merlin is a mage, so I guess she's able to sense that stuff. Keep in mind that Gowther wasn't around. Maybe it's really not fixed even his peak, it could change so rapidly then it's hard to get those values, especially the stats for magic, strength and spirit.
Arthur doesn't have a peak, his PL doesn't change all the time during the day, what he has is a fixed value that is yet to be unlocked. Escanor's PL isn't fixed during the day.

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Hmm... so Rhongomyniad is the better option (that, or the Dagger that I can't remember the name).
Which reminds me, why hasn't Arthur used Excalibur? We can assume the weapon is extremely powerful, but the real question is where is the weapon?
I do hope there's more information about that sometime later (either in the manga or fan book).

I don't know, maybe he needs to unlock his magic to use it, after all Excalibur is magical by nature.

Either that or it's just too heavy(it's pretty big) and doesn't fit his fighting style.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

He's not the only one who made that statement Merlin did too, so it's not just some pride from Escanor.

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No it hasn't, that was Merlin who sensed it, there's no proof she was using the eye.Merlin is a mage, so I guess she's able to sense that stuff. Keep in mind that Gowther wasn't around. Maybe it's really not fixed even his peak, it could change so rapidly then it's hard to get those values, especially the stats for magic, strength and spirit.
Arthur doesn't have a peak, his PL doesn't change all the time during the day, what he has is a fixed value that is yet to be unlocked. Escanor's PL isn't fixed during the day.

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I don't know, maybe he needs to unlock his magic to use it, after all Excalibur is magical by nature.

Either that or it's just too heavy(it's pretty big) and doesn't fit his fighting style.

I'm afraid we're gonna have to disagree on the Escanor power level theory. Oh well, we'll see it eventually maybe. Plus it's not that big of a problem at the moment.

 

[baditz]

Maybe Arthur already have that power but he need something to trigger the power like demon need to eat soul to re-gain their power.
Just like Galan, the 1st time Hawk read his PL only 26K only str and spirit, but aftet eat some soul it become 27k. So that way even Dollor see nothing from him.
My best guees he need excalibur.
Oh btw "Arthur can surpasses sins" it not mean need higher pl than Escanor, banonly have 3k can kill Merra, Gowther only 3k can take down Escanor. We still dont know what kind of magic arthur have,,,

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Maybe Arthur already have that power but he need something to trigger the power like demon need to eat soul to re-gain their power.
Just like Galan, the 1st time Hawk read his PL only 26K only str and spirit, but aftet eat some soul it become 27k. So that way even Dollor see nothing from him.
My best guees he need excalibur.
Oh btw "Arthur can surpasses sins" it not mean need higher pl than Escanor, banonly have 3k can kill Merra, Gowther only 3k can take down Escanor. We still dont know what kind of magic arthur have,,,

Yeah but Mera doesn't have the best durability and was killed with a surprise attack from Ban. Gowther didn't take down Escanor. Escanor purposely threw the fight and was nerfed the entire fight.

 

[baditz]

Yeah but Mera doesn't have the best durability and was killed with a surprise attack from Ban. Gowther didn't take down Escanor. Escanor purposely threw the fight and was nerfed the entire fight.

Yup you right about all of them, so what? Yes she out off guard in midle all TC Ban can snap her head and take her hearts, her durabilty low even soo many human have better str stat than her did it mean any human can snap her head in the midle all TC, she not just low level demon, she a TC low durability cannot be a reason, she already join in great war.
And for Gowther vs Escanor, even Gallan with 40k only can make scrath, But Gowther can take him down, yes if Escanor want he can dodge and 1 hit Gowther, my point is even with 3k PL Gowther magic can take down Escanor.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Yup you right about all of them, so what? Yes she out off guard in midle all TC Ban can snap her head and take her hearts, her durabilty low even soo many human have better str stat than her did it mean any human can snap her head in the midle all TC, she not just low level demon, she a TC low durability cannot be a reason, she already join in great war.
And for Gowther vs Escanor, even Gallan with 40k only can make scrath, But Gowther can take him down, yes if Escanor want he can dodge and 1 hit Gowther, my point is even with 3k PL Gowther magic can take down Escanor.

The problem that I've seen so far is that most people are confusing the strength stat with the durability stat. Nowhere in the manga has it been stated that those two are twin stats. The could be influenced by each other , but they aren't the same. What makes demons so hard to kill is that you have to destroy all their hearts, and they regenerate very well. Just because Mera is a 10C doesn't mean she can tank all that abuse, thats an excuse. She can regenerate from it as long as her hearts are in tact, but she cannot take it She isn't Estarossa. 10C is just a title, not a power up don't confuse them. Even Ban, who is a Sin was still wounded by a kid with a rake in part one. Gloxinia who has extremely low strength still managed to take a few punches from Meliodas even though his armor was shattered. Even the strongest person on Earth can still get a splinter from a tree. Also very bad comparison with Gowther vs Escanor. Gowther beat Galan using magic. Escanor and Galan fought with strength. Also, Merlin has had to use power amplify on Gowther's black out arrow just to take Escanor down when he isn't nerfed

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I'm afraid we're gonna have to disagree on the Escanor power level theory. Oh well, we'll see it eventually maybe. Plus it's not that big of a problem at the moment.

That's fine by me.

But I know I'm right huehuehue.

And yeah it doesn't matter too much, and obviously it's just a trick to hide the info about his PL right now.Gotta keep the hype machine going.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

That's fine by me.

But I know I'm right huehuehue. You sneaky demon...............

And yeah it doesn't matter too much, and obviously it's just a trick to hide the info about his PL right now.Gotta keep the hype machine going.