Discussion One for All Quirk

[Demonspeed]

Remember what Torino said about Deku considering OFA as something too special? After rereading some chapters I noticed he still does it.

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He should be able to get a better control if he stops thinking about it. It means that in his mind he still considers it as too special.

 

[Newkerzy]

Not really. Full Cowl means regulating the Quirk naturally throughout his body, while that 100% punch is focused on one body part. The reason why something like that punch happens is because Deku thinks of it as something special. An ace in the hole, if you will. Deku had to revert back to that line of thinking because his normal Full Cowl wasn't cutting it. He's not reverting to that line of thinking in spite of desperation, but out of it.

 

[Demonspeed]

Not really. Full Cowl means regulating the Quirk naturally throughout his body, while that 100% punch is focused on one body part. The reason why something like that punch happens is because Deku thinks of it as something special. An ace in the hole, if you will. Deku had to revert back to that line of thinking because his normal Full Cowl wasn't cutting it. He's not reverting to that line of thinking in spite of desperation, but out of it.

Thinking of OFA as something special is the problem. He has always been able to use 100% but it injured his body, it was not his mind state which made him use it like that all this time. With perfect control he'd be able to use Full Cowl at 100%.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 29, 2016 ---

What do you think of OFA's color? In the game and anime it's green with some yellow effects (and green is Deku's designated color apparently) but in chapter 76 Full Cowl was orange with blue sparks

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Bones respected the official colors for everyone so far so, if Full Cowl gets animated one day will it look like that?(Meaning that the color effects of OFA change in Full Cowl) Or is it that they decided to color it green so that it will contrast with Bakugou's Explosion (like in the OP).

 

[ShenGao]

I think at first Horikoshi thought green thunder would fit OFA, but then for the color page he wanted to try something else. I mean he also changed Deku's hair color from a bright green to a dark green/blue.

I think we should wait for more color pages/art of OFA to see what he will stick with.

 

[Aonori]

I've been thinking about OFA lately. As we know, Deku can "see" his previous 8 predecessors at certain times, what if this is a representation of their life forces together? Going further, what if full transfer of OFA grants the current user accelerated healing? Not as advanced as Noumu, but still at a quick rate. For example, Deku would be able to heal small cuts and stab wounds in a single day when not activating OFA.

This would explain AM's incredible durability, and how he survived that battle against AFO with that nasty wound. It was his incredible lifeforce keeping him alive till the doctors came.

The super durability, aspect is a consequence of the repeated use of OFA and progressive regeneration and adaptation to the quirk, there being some sort of healing rate benefit to it is possible if a full cowl is being applied at the time, but I doubt it Works without it, since the quirk needs to be activated to work in the first place, though it can react to other quirks and activate on it´s own easily, so we dont know if it could potentially increase someone´s healing rate, but at least as long as it´s "on" it should prevent it´s user from certain death situations, since it´s multiple times the lifeforce that person has.

Also another thing, I´ve been thinking on OFA too, if all of it´s users gave the same lifeforce into it, what Deku pulls with 5% of OFA would take the 1st guy to receive the quirk from the first OFA, user 35% of mastery of the OFA full cowl with just the first user´s lifeforce on the quirk, so he would be able to put dents on ceilings and have a somewhat advantageous position against musclar and speed quirks individually after mastery of 100% of OFA, which would amount to more or less, the 12.5 % of OFA Deku will have after AM´s lifeforce gets given to him as well (assuming the lifeforces given are put on a average)

 

[Mandela]

Well I don't mean power as in brute force, but in the sense that OFA could maybe allow Deku to mentally meet his predecessors. Something AllMight couldn't do. Deku learns and gets stronger from learning from other people's experience. OFA still has a lot of hidden mystery to it.

Kind of like the Avatar and their past lives. That would be cool. He is able to go into some type of Astro-training or something that allows him to learn abilities that possibly AM didn't even know about. Who's to say that strength, speed, stamina, etc are the only powers of OFA (AFO? lol). For all we know, because AM was a tank in his own right that was what manifested from the powers and all he needed. His predecessor was a lot smaller in size and I assume had full control of it, but maybe in her own way. So Deku may learn that he is able to do more than just gain speed and strength. In time it may develop to fit his character. Faster processing of strategies, increased intelligence, etc. Yes, those are kind of boring but they are just examples. Maybe the power manifests itself to eventually fit the carrier, but it is the carrier that has to know what they want. At this stage, we can all agree that Deku is still unsure. He is still mimicking AM in a way. Once he finds his "Ninja Way" he will be able to use the power a lot better.

 

[kkck]

Kind of like the Avatar and their past lives. That would be cool. He is able to go into some type of Astro-training or something that allows him to learn abilities that possibly AM didn't even know about. Who's to say that strength, speed, stamina, etc are the only powers of OFA (AFO? lol). For all we know, because AM was a tank in his own right that was what manifested from the powers and all he needed. His predecessor was a lot smaller in size and I assume had full control of it, but maybe in her own way. So Deku may learn that he is able to do more than just gain speed and strength. In time it may develop to fit his character. Faster processing of strategies, increased intelligence, etc. Yes, those are kind of boring but they are just examples. Maybe the power manifests itself to eventually fit the carrier, but it is the carrier that has to know what they want. At this stage, we can all agree that Deku is still unsure. He is still mimicking AM in a way. Once he finds his "Ninja Way" he will be able to use the power a lot better.

What sort of story would that make? give him that many powers and deku might as well be given flight and heat vision so that he can lobotomize his enemies from space. Deku as a character is already naruto levels of broken. He, as he is now, already has more power than what most heroes around him fathom possible (he is just not able to use it yet). A half dead allmight who had given away his quirk was able to defeat a similarly weakened AFO. And either of them vastly and without question outclass the number 2 hero. For all we know, allmight was stronger than the 9 top heroes bellow him combined. Deku as a character does not need more power. I am not ruling out there being more to the quirk but deku seriously does not need any of it. The story barely knows what to do with deku's brokenness as it is (hence it has to pretend things like figuring out kicks are a thing count as proper character development).

 

[amit-monsterman999]

What sort of story would that make? give him that many powers and deku might as well be given flight and heat vision so that he can lobotomize his enemies from space. Deku as a character is already naruto levels of broken. He, as he is now, already has more power than what most heroes around him fathom possible (he is just not able to use it yet). A half dead allmight who had given away his quirk was able to defeat a similarly weakened AFO. And either of them vastly and without question outclass the number 2 hero. For all we know, allmight was stronger than the 9 top heroes bellow him combined. Deku as a character does not need more power. I am not ruling out there being more to the quirk but deku seriously does not need any of it. The story barely knows what to do with deku's brokenness as it is (hence it has to pretend things like figuring out kicks are a thing count as proper character development).

I agree deku reminds me of a younger version of saitama from one punch a character with too much power.
Deku is haxed but then again if the premise is that deku will be his own kind of hero it's likely he may never used any of the powers he has.
For now we know that shigaraki will become a haxed character too so its likely the haxed characters will fight it out.

But then again the premise of the story is that both OFA and AFO are messed up haxed quirks given to a special person so its really a story about those two nobody else these are more filler arcs possibly until the author figures out how to fix this hax of a character
.

 

[Aonori]

I agree deku reminds me of a younger version of saitama from one punch a character with too much power.
Deku is haxed but then again if the premise is that deku will be his own kind of hero it's likely he may never used any of the powers he has.
For now we know that shigaraki will become a haxed character too so its likely the haxed characters will fight it out.

But then again the premise of the story is that both OFA and AFO are messed up haxed quirks given to a special person so its really a story about those two nobody else these are more filler arcs possibly until the author figures out how to fix this hax of a character
.

He already has ways, AFO has his face fucked up, he is no match for post operation AM, even if he transfers his quirk to shigaraki without the quirk control experience AFO developped over years of living, Shigaraki wont be big deal, yes he will be able to easily destroy other quirk users on a daily basis, but due to lack of quirk experience, he would be a easy prey to more experienced quirk users like Todoroki, Mirio, etc... provided he doesnt go close quarters on them, then it´s a guaranteed win for shigaraki. The only problem I will have with the series is if, the hyper regen quirk comes back into the plot, as a power-up, tor the AFO user, that would be extremely haxed, especially taking into account the speech the doctor gave, on that quirk, it´s really broken hax to hear that AFO could´ve come out of his fight against AM with pratically no serious injuries, just because of that one quirk alone, it ruins the tension of any fight between a AFO user and whoever, he/she´s against, if the viewer knows that quirk will come into play.

About Deku he wont have time to master OFA in the amount of chaps this series is supposed to last, we already talked about this before but he aint getting 100% mastered without a really big time, skip happening, way bigger than a 2-3 year one anyways, if he ever reaches around 20-25% mastery by the time the series is over, it´s already gonna be pretty good and consideering the injuries he took to his arms for overusing OFA beforehand he wont be anywhere near prime AM level, the series really tries hard to showcase that none of the heroes at Yuhei really are prime AM level material, especially in the determination department, on a general basis they (new hero generation) will surpass all other older gen. pros and set a new record for the Top heroes, both powerwise and ideal wise (to overcome the issues that created the stain mentality) yes, but there aint gonna be a 2nd AM, it´s also not healthy for there to be one because it has the risk of creating Endeavour cases.

 

[amit-monsterman999]

He already has ways, AFO has his face fucked up, he is no match for post operation AM, even if he transfers his quirk to shigaraki without the quirk control experience AFO developped over years of living, Shigaraki wont be big deal, yes he will be able to easily destroy other quirk users on a daily basis, but due to lack of quirk experience, he would be a easy prey to more experienced quirk users like Todoroki, Mirio, etc... provided he doesnt go close quarters on them, then it´s a guaranteed win for shigaraki. The only problem I will have with the series is if, the hyper regen quirk comes back into the plot, as a power-up, tor the AFO user, that would be extremely haxed, especially taking into account the speech the doctor gave, on that quirk, it´s really broken hax to hear that AFO could´ve come out of his fight against AM with pratically no serious injuries, just because of that one quirk alone, it ruins the tension of any fight between a AFO user and whoever, he/she´s against, if the viewer knows that quirk will come into play.

About Deku he wont have time to master OFA in the amount of chaps this series is supposed to last, we already talked about this before but he aint getting 100% mastered without a really big time, skip happening, way bigger than a 2-3 year one anyways, if he ever reaches around 20-25% mastery by the time the series is over, it´s already gonna be pretty good and consideering the injuries he took to his arms for overusing OFA beforehand he wont be anywhere near prime AM level, the series really tries hard to showcase that none of the heroes at Yuhei really are prime AM level material, especially in the determination department, on a general basis they (new hero generation) will surpass all other older gen. pros and set a new record for the Top heroes, both powerwise and ideal wise (to overcome the issues that created the stain mentality) yes, but there aint gonna be a 2nd AM, it´s also not healthy for there to be one because it has the risk of creating Endeavour cases.

true when I wrote this I agreed but we don't know I think now it'll be more teamwork based missions as all of Overhaul's members are excellent in teams and well synced together the heroes will need to learn to coop their skills.

As for deku I think he will get 100% level or close to 50% but whatever he will get will be an incredible power output

btw how long is the series supposed to last where was that posted do you know how many chapters this is supposed to go on for?

 

[Aonori]

true when I wrote this I agreed but we don't know I think now it'll be more teamwork based missions as all of Overhaul's members are excellent in teams and well synced together the heroes will need to learn to coop their skills.

As for deku I think he will get 100% level or close to 50% but whatever he will get will be an incredible power output

btw how long is the series supposed to last where was that posted do you know how many chapters this is supposed to go on for?

I think it was around chap 80 that it was stated by hori that the series was around 20% completed.

 

[amit-monsterman999]

I think it was around chap 80 that it was stated by hori that the series was around 20% completed.

i see so this isn't like another one piece or fairy tail it's a much faster and smaller manga right ?

I guess that's good then that means we expect lots of fast paced story development and action right

 

[Aonori]

i see so this isn't like another one piece or fairy tail it's a much faster and smaller manga right ?

I guess that's good then that means we expect lots of fast paced story development and action right

Pretty much, dont forget BnH is next gen. long running shonen and SJ wants to make them shorter nowadays, making them too long can backfire in sales for them, also take into consideration this series takes short length timeskips here and there, or changes the pacing very fast so the story can advance faster a good example are the training camp which initially had the time duration you´d expect from anyother training arc, but as soon as deku got hurt after the villains attacked a bunch of time passed.

 

[kkck]

I can't imagine deku getting 100% of OFA this soon TBH. OFA is a simple quirk with no real nuisance to it. It is a simple and ordinary astounding increase in physical capacity. And the only requirement to using it is completely ordinary, simply having the physical capacity to use it. There are no other abilities or tricks to master as far as the manga has evidenced. So the question is, what physical capacity does deku need to use the quirk and by what time can he acquire it? Midoriya is 16 years old, he is a teenager and is still developing into an adult. In any case, I would argue midoriya will be fully capable of using the quirk once he is biologically an adult. Just being taller and bigger than he is now will do wonders for him when it comes to using OFA. Basically, his progress speed will increase merely by growing up as long as he keeps his training regime.

That said, I wonder how much of an option it is for midoriya to use more than his limit. Let me explain... Last time we saw midoriya made the point he was able to use 8% of his quirk. Which is not bad at all. However 8% is an amount of the quirk which he uses rather casually. It doesn't seem to strain him. Obviously using 100% would still wreck his body but what if he uses, say, 10%? Sure, it might cause him some pain but it might as well be worth it if it doesn't cause long term damage.

I was always under the impression that midoriya should actually be able to use his quirk to train... As in, his current limit is 8%, so activate it to 9%. Doing that sounds like it should be easier and more effective than, say, weight training.

 

[GrySun]

I hate that Endeavor has to suffer such a tough fight from the beginning at number one. I find it hard to believe the heroes are so ineffective without All might.

The other heroes are all still good. But only someone like All Might can defeat the really strong people(AFO, High-End), or many stronger villains at once. You saw how Overhaul had no chance against Izuku using full OFA, when he's strong enough to fight many of the other heroes mostly on even grounds. OFA really is that much hax.

 

[Jko]

I hate that Endeavor has to suffer such a tough fight from the beginning at number one. I find it hard to believe the heroes are so ineffective without All might.

This is one of my gripes about MHA. It doesn't seem like anyone will be able to match AFO or All Might besides Deku. OFA just feels like an OP and broken power given to the MC. It's not like he earned it or was born with it the power OFA is given and I hate that it has no rival in power. It feels like a plot device rather than an actual power you earn.

Hori can make up some cool powers and all, but they'd just be beaten out by OFA which is just superhuman strength and speed, and that's really lackluster. I hope with the new tide of heroes that there will be multiple rivals for the greatest and not just Deku or the top 3 of Class 1A. I want Deku to be challenged by his peers and enemies, and not just have a free ride to numero uno in the verse bcs he's riding All Might's coat tail.

 

[LgS_WaRioR]

This is one of my gripes about MHA. It doesn't seem like anyone will be able to match AFO or All Might besides Deku. OFA just feels like an OP and broken power given to the MC. It's not like he earned it or was born with it the power OFA is given and I hate that it has no rival in power. It feels like a plot device rather than an actual power you earn.

Hori can make up some cool powers and all, but they'd just be beaten out by OFA which is just superhuman strength and speed, and that's really lackluster. I hope with the new tide of heroes that there will be multiple rivals for the greatest and not just Deku or the top 3 of Class 1A. I want Deku to be challenged by his peers and enemies, and not just have a free ride to numero uno in the verse bcs he's riding All Might's coat tail.

Todoroki Shoto will be the only rival for Midoriya

 

[SkyJockey]

Yeah OFA is definitely my least favorite quirk of the main cast. It’s hard to picture Shigaraki and the alliance not just getting finger flinked into oblivion once Deku has a few years of adjustment. Kinda kills the excitement tbh.

 

[Exorcist1995]

Hori can make up some cool powers and all, but they'd just be beaten out by OFA which is just superhuman strength and speed, and that's really lackluster. I hope with the new tide of heroes that there will be multiple rivals for the greatest and not just Deku or the top 3 of Class 1A. I want Deku to be challenged by his peers and enemies, and not just have a free ride to numero uno in the verse bcs he's riding All Might's coat tail.

Inasa, Overhaul, Mirio and others have already shown that Deku is not that special even with that power so far, and two of those are just students like them, also the members of the League are getting stronger with time just like Deku and Shigaraki at this point is still stronger and faster that him.
Deku has a pretty broken ability, but he has shown that he will not use it like All Might did, and until this point he haven´t won all his fights with it, the ones he won are either with help or by nearly killing himself, so for now I don´t think we should woring about that.

 

[iceemperor]

This is one of my gripes about MHA. It doesn't seem like anyone will be able to match AFO or All Might besides Deku. OFA just feels like an OP and broken power given to the MC. It's not like he earned it or was born with it the power OFA is given and I hate that it has no rival in power. It feels like a plot device rather than an actual power you earn.

Hori can make up some cool powers and all, but they'd just be beaten out by OFA which is just superhuman strength and speed, and that's really lackluster. I hope with the new tide of heroes that there will be multiple rivals for the greatest and not just Deku or the top 3 of Class 1A. I want Deku to be challenged by his peers and enemies, and not just have a free ride to numero uno in the verse bcs he's riding All Might's coat tail.

The entire point of the beginning few chapters is that Deku earned the power. He was given the power because he showed unbelievable heroic spirit with no regard for his own safety, that too for a guy who bullied him a few pages back, when no one else could. Kirishima, for all that heroic spirit, couldn't do the same in a situation much less dangerous. His classmates were asked directions by a huge, imposing figure that seemed like it might get rough due to breaking the wall but left immediately after getting directions, even wrong ones. Bakugou was legitimately in trouble. Kirishima couldn't move in that relatively small incident whereas Deku could move in an incident that had multiple pros present.

OFA is meant to be such a game breaking power. Its the only thing that can remotely stand up to AFO. Highend, with 6 quirks, is absolutely trashing Endeavour. AFO in his prime would take him out in the first 3 blows. All Might barely survived his fight with AFO. Deku could also barely use the thing. Now he can momentarily call up 20% but I think we're really underestimating the ceiling for other quirks. Quirk singularity is a thing. We're also finally seeing the pros in action with no students in sight and the scale is entirely different. The Overhaul fight looks cute compared to Endeavour vs High-end, which caused a skyscraper to be cut in half and decimated the top half. At least a 100 people have been evacuated from the scene and the No.1 hero is lying down bleeding while the villain that did that to him is looking off into the distance lamenting how boring the whole thing was. Do you really think battles will be so simple going forward that Deku can just finger flick away opponents especially considering that the league is also growing in strength bit by bit?