On Break One Piece Chapter 1010 Discussion

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[catagon87]

Guess we'll have to start calling them the Gokou now.

Yeah, until Wano is liberated and Kaido has no territory, making him an Emperor no longer.

 

[Gallon]

Yeah, until Wano is liberated and Kaido has no territory, making him an Emperor no longer.

Yup, pretty much. Let's see if Big Mom's story also resolves here.

 

[sir_rocky]

Some of you guys overanalyze these things way too much.

Who cares if it was said as a question and not 100% confirmed.

It basically means Zoro has CoC and that won't change no matter how much you analyze that sentence and if there is a question mark, exclamation mark or something else at the end.

 

[ShishiSonson]

Guess we'll have to start calling them the Gokou now.

Yeah, until Wano is liberated and Kaido has no territory, making him an Emperor no longer.

Yup, pretty much. Let's see if Big Mom's story also resolves here.

Luffy is here to shake and free the world from WG, Gorosei, Im-sama. He is not Roger 2.0.
Luffy is facing Yonko, at the end there will be no more Yonko system. Probably Supernovas are going to reign on seas.
But Luffy won't die like Roger and leave Law-Kid etc as the next Yonko.

Luffy will be the Pirate King, Yonko will be no more. I see the supernovas ruling the next era, as Supernova or Worst Generation.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Kaido : ...Could it be...You can use Haoshoku too...?!!
Zoro : aa..? What the heck are talking about...!! haa...haa !!
Zoro : I have no idea what's going on..
Kaido : This scar will remain...!!

So, you're telling me Kaido is not asking a question? lol

So, if I said "could it be that you're actually 6ft?", you are going to tell me I'm not asking you a question?

Kaidou is asking if Zoro can USE it tho, not if he HAS it? He asked Luffy in the beginning of the arc if he too HAS the King's Haki, like Kid?

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Clearly Zoro has it and is now beginning to wield the power in battle.

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Some of you guys overanalyze these things way too much.

Who cares if it was said as a question and not 100% confirmed.

It basically means Zoro has CoC and that won't change no matter how much you analyze that sentence and if there is a question mark, exclamation mark or something else at the end.

Some people read manga like its a lab report and it has to make absolute sense.

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dodged/missed all over agian

 

[fallou]

Kaidou is asking if Zoro can USE it tho, not if he HAS it? He asked Luffy in the beginning of the arc if he too HAS the King's Haki, like Kid?

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Clearly Zoro has it and is now beginning to wield the power in battle.

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Some people read manga like its a lab report and it has to make absolute sense.

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dodged/missed all over agian

Hmmm, saying he has it and is using it sounds like a stretch. It's a possibility, but the chapter doesn't confirm that at all so far. Just as it hasn't been confirmed he has advanced CoA, in spite of the ravings on this forum.

 

[Gallon]

Luffy is here to shake and free the world from WG, Gorosei, Im-sama. He is not Roger 2.0.
Luffy is facing Yonko, at the end there will be no more Yonko system. Probably Supernovas are going to reign on seas.
But Luffy won't die like Roger and leave Law-Kid etc as the next Yonko.

Luffy will be the Pirate King, Yonko will be no more. I see the supernovas ruling the next era, as Supernova or Worst Generation.

I know, I was talking about the present.

 

[thedude]

That makes me wonder if gear fourth will be obsolete after this.. I mean, he’ll have Third for large attacks and Second for speed, but with this new CoC skill Fourth just seems...unnecessary.


I agree in principle, but the fact that he asked made it seem like he may not be sure. I mean it may have been just an expression of shock, likely was, but it opens it to question anyway...

Unnecessary? It would seem to be a way for him to just absolutely go crazy and destroy anyone in his path!

 

[O_n_Sly]

Hmmm, saying he has it and is using it sounds like a stretch. It's a possibility, but the chapter doesn't confirm that at all so far. Just as it hasn't been confirmed he has advanced CoA, in spite of the ravings on this forum.

LOL OK. Just remember this every time you and the rest of the naysayers say Zoro Can't, ODA says Zoro Can!!!

 

[GL_Nova]

Several things to get from the spoilers.

Law has been killing it in the background and I think while it’s gotten overshadowed the Anime will make clear just how big his support role has been. Perfect example being his plan. Folks called Law being the brains behind what happened with BM and this drives home how dangerous his strategies are, while highlighting the positive influence Strawhat has had on him.

Zoro has KH. At this point it’s solved for me. It’s always amusing when top combatants in the verse acknowledge a character and people try and argue for why they wouldn’t know. These are the best utilizers in the world, why wouldn’t they know? Their King Haki specialists, the best conquerors on the seas. Which also explains why Zoro wouldn’t know. He’s a swordsman. Even the former Yakuza boss didn’t really recognize Haki, because swordsmen have their own names for it. Mihawk was training him to utilize all the best sword techniques. He looked down on Shanks for not being a pure swordsman. I see no reason for him to train Zoro in making folks drop from wide range mind blasts. Makes sense that manifestations like Ashura are really KH from the top swordsmen. An it explains why Zoro would have blossomed sooner. Swordsmanship relies on Haki. Brawling is enhanced by it.

Kaido is just like Katakuri. He was always going to lead to massive growth for our favorite protagonist. An this revelation about KH came from one of the only people who could. It makes sense only the Yonko and real top tier can use this.

 

[zetsu banned]

I love how different the personalities of Napoleon, Prometheus, and Zeus are and how they all tie back to Big Mom herself, since they were made from her own soul. It's like they all represent some insecurity she tried to literally take out of herself and weaponize. Big Mom is such a fascinating character.

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Also I now desperately want to see Kidd and Big Mom have a Conqueror's clash at the same time Luffy and Kaidou have one, splitting the sky twice at once.

Cut to the mink army getting a second wind and DAMMIT ODA GIVE ME SU LONG BEPO.

 

[catagon87]

I love how different the personalities of Napoleon, Prometheus, and Zeus are and how they all tie back to Big Mom herself, since they were made from her own soul. It's like they all represent some insecurity she tried to literally take out of herself and weaponize. Big Mom is such a fascinating character.

Now that you mention it.. that sounds like "Father" in FMA. Ironic that he's Father, and she's Big Mom.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Several things to get from the spoilers.

Law has been killing it in the background and I think while it’s gotten overshadowed the Anime will make clear just how big his support role has been. Perfect example being his plan. Folks called Law being the brains behind what happened with BM and this drives home how dangerous his strategies are, while highlighting the positive influence Strawhat has had on him.

Zoro has KH. At this point it’s solved for me. It’s always amusing when top combatants in the verse acknowledge a character and people try and argue for why they wouldn’t know. Their King Haki specialists, the best conquerors on the seas. Which also explains why Zoro wouldn’t know. He’s a swordsman. Even the former Yakuza boss didn’t really recognize Haki, because swordsmen have their own names for it. Mihawk was training him to utilize all the best sword techniques. He looked down on Shanks for not being a pure swordsman. I see no reason for him to train Zoro in making folks drop from wide range mind blasts. Makes sense that manifestations like Ashura are really KH from the top swordsmen. An it explains why Zoro would have blossomed sooner. Swordsmanship relies on Haki. Brawling is enhanced by it.

Kaido is just like Katakuri. He was always going to lead to massive growth for our favorite protagonist. An this revelation about KH came from one of the only people who could. It makes sense only the Yonko and real top tier can use this.

Kaido didn't know how the 9RS were able to stab him and he openly asked if they were using "Oden's Haki"

Using your own words, Kaido is one of the best utilizes of haki in the world so shouldn't he have known exactly why the 9RS were able to hurt him?

 

[catagon87]

You people read way too much into stuff like this COC bullshit.

Sometimes this forum reminds me of this Silicon Valley clip with respect to reading into Oda's work.

 

[zetsu banned]

So now I'm back to wondering if the black lightning *always* means Conqueror's haki is being used? Last time I wondered it was when Ulti used the black lightning effect with her headbutt just after saying something like 'we were all captains that wanted to be Pirate King'.

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Kaido didn't know how the 9RS were able to stab him and he openly asked if they were using "Oden's Haki"

Using your own words, Kaido is one of the best utilizes of haki in the world so shouldn't he have known exactly why the 9RS were able to hurt him?

It's interesting that the only other time we've seen someone say something like this, it was Hyou being shocked that Luffy could use the same haki as Oden after he knocked all the mooks in Udon with Conqueror's.

 

[GL_Nova]

Kaido didn't know how the 9RS were able to stab him and he openly asked if they were using "Oden's Haki"

Using your own words, Kaido is one of the best utilizes of haki in the world so shouldn't he have known exactly why the 9RS were able to hurt him?

No, Kaido speculated about them using the same Haki as oden, which would be the Ryou that Luffy learned and has been using to such effect.

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As for BM, so much going on here. Kidd facing her is a perfect boost for him. If he is able to stall her until Kaido is beat, that’s a great feat for him. It puts him in a different bracket as well for me. I hope we get to see some of it. As for Prometheus. If we see BM give him an upgrade as opposed to creating a new Zeus, it would create a way for Nami to tempt him too. Since the tacts are apparently only good snacks for cloud beings.

 

[Pirate Queen]

No, Kaido speculated about them using the same Haki as oden, which would be the Ryou that Luffy learned and has been using to such effect.

So why did he ask if he should have already known? That's the point... he wasn't sure. He was wondering.

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So now I'm back to wondering if the black lightning *always* means Conqueror's haki is being used? Last time I wondered it was when Ulti used the black lightning effect with her headbutt just after saying something like 'we were all captains that wanted to be Pirate King'.

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It's interesting that the only other time we've seen someone say something like this, it was Hyou being shocked that Luffy could use the same haki as Oden after he knocked all the mooks in Udon with Conqueror's.

Right? I mean Ashura is not explainable in any way from the avenues of power Oda has provided.

It doesn't fit in with Haki
It Doesn't fit in with a Devil Fruit
It does fit in with any technique that is explainable (DJ, King's Punch, Rokushiki)

Zoro just focuses and summons 2 extra bodies. It makes no sense.

So of course in a fight against monsters Kaido is going to wonder if Zoro's ability to scar him has something to do with King's Haki. But we can clearly see Zoro isn't using it. Or at least using It in a way that Luffy and Kaido were shown using its "Advanced" Version

 

[cubetro]

rdx

So why did he ask if he should have already known? That's the point... he wasn't sure. He was wondering.

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Right? I mean Ashura is not explainable in any way from the avenues of power Oda has provided.

It doesn't fit in with Haki
It Doesn't fit in with a Devil Fruit
It does fit in with any technique that is explainable (DJ, King's Punch, Rokushiki)

Zoro just focuses and summons 2 extra bodies. It makes no sense.

So of course in a fight against monsters Kaido is going to wonder if Zoro's ability to scar him has something to do with King's Haki. But we can clearly see Zoro isn't using it. Or at least using It in a way that Luffy and Kaido were shown using its "Advanced" Version

Or Oda messed up when introducing Ashura, and now that he wants to introduce Haki for Zoro, it screwed up and doesn’t make sense at all.

 

[O_n_Sly]

So why did he ask if he should have already known? That's the point... he wasn't sure. He was wondering.

Please read the entire situation? Kaidou and Big Mom clearly underestimated the SN's and the entire battle field. They've just grasped the fact that Luffy is a legit threat and now his right hand is coming on strong. Kaidou asked that question in astonishment, of course he's not confused on if it's KH or not. Like he said to Luffy so few actually know and can use it. Never would he of expected 2/5 SN's being able to. Big Mom clearly can't use it b/c she was never giving a silhouette, now it all makes sense ODA!!!

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As for BM, so much going on here. Kidd facing her is a perfect boost for him. If he is able to stall her until Kaido is beat, that’s a great feat for him. It puts him in a different bracket as well for me. I hope we get to see some of it. As for Prometheus. If we see BM give him an upgrade as opposed to creating a new Zeus, it would create a way for Nami to tempt him too. Since the tacts are apparently only good snacks for cloud beings.

According to Kaidou, Kid has KH, so hopefully he can surpass his limits and outright defeat Big Mom here

 

[Pirate Queen]

Please read the entire situation? Kaidou and Big Mom clearly underestimated the SN's and the entire battle field. They've just grasped the fact that Luffy is a legit threat and now his right hand is coming on strong. Kaidou asked that question in astonishment, of course he's not confused on if it's KH or not. Like he said to Luffy so few actually know and can use it. Never would he of expected 2/5 SN's being able to. Big Mom clearly can't use it b/c she was never giving a silhouette, now it all makes sense ODA!!!

Your confused. Zoro didn't use it offensively. Look at Ashura. What Kaido is talking about is coating yourself in CoC. It is shown by black Lightening tendrils streaming from the weapon of choice or fist/body part. Zoro cannot do that yet.