Chapter One Piece Chapter 1033 Discussion

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I think what's going on is another sign that OP is nearing its end: the characters are getting the powerups they need in order to face the endgame. Luffy is going to defeat an Emperor, and even though he still needs to fully master his new tools, he's at the level to do battle with pretty much anybody (and by do battle I mean go toe to toe, not win easily: of course some people are still stronger, but no one can one shot him like Kaido did anymore)

Zoro is on his way to YC1+, and once he's there, he's got everything he needs to climb up the last few steps to WGS

Then the SHs have a YC2 + in the making (Sanji), a YC2/3 (Jinbei), and they might get Yamato (YC1?) as a bonus.
The grand fleet.
The Minks and Samurai.
Nothing can prevent them from going to the top after that.
Welp if zoro masters his swords, which in this case does appear to mean replicating emma feats with all 3 of his swords, and alongside that he develops conqueror cladding then that's a step above YC1. Yamato evidenced conqueror cladding and she even managed to hold her ground against kaido.. It doesn't appear to be the case that king has cladding for that matter. By the end of this zoro will be closer to luffy's league that YC1. Zoro is almost ready for mihawk at this point.

Not sure of where oda is going with this sanji wise. Sanji got a neat boost through his genetics but his haki has not been mentioned so far. For admiral level you do appear to need multiple forms of advanced haki. The admirals so far have evidenced armor projection and foresight... It wouldn't be weird that at least akainu has conqueror cladding.
 

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Exciting chapter. I expected ridiculous power ups anyway but what baffles me is how CoA has been treated overall. It almost feels like Luffy didn't need to learn this with what we learned about Advanced CoC.

Now we have Zoro doing this as well when he was supposed to be a CoA specialist. More than half of the SH can't even use basic Haki.

I was afraid of Oda rushing all the fights besides Luffy and it looks like he won't. What Queen said about Lunarians in this chapter doesn't make them look particularly impressive.
I think it was important for him to learn the principle of internal damage with CoC so he could figure out how it was that Kaido was attacking him during their first clash. What I'd say is instead is that it should've been hinted at more where Oda was going to would lead to ACoC rather than all the focus we got on ACoA. I guess Hyogoro maybe didn't know the difference since he himself doesn't use it? 🤔

As for haki with the rest of the crew, unfortunately not all of them have had fleshed out fights or are pre-disposed fighters to learn this( unlike like all the women on Amazon Lily, for example). I think we may get Brook but that would be it. It's too late now to try to give it to everyone and make it seem as a natural progression to their characters. Fighting Black Maria and Sasaki were the best opportunity so far to showcase haki use with other SHs in this arc; considering their rank and haki profficiency. Which is why those particular fights are still bittersweet to me.

Actually I think Queen's comment just goes to back up what King said about him being tougher than your ordinary dinosaur zoan user. His lunarian heritage goes some way to make him much tougher than an even an ancient zoan should be, which is why Zoro is struggling and not being able to even stractch his body with any of his attacks.
 

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Welp if zoro masters his swords, which in this case does appear to mean replicating emma feats with all 3 of his swords, and alongside that he develops conqueror cladding then that's a step above YC1. Yamato evidenced conqueror cladding and she even managed to hold her ground against kaido.. It doesn't appear to be the case that king has cladding for that matter. By the end of this zoro will be closer to luffy's league that YC1. Zoro is almost ready for mihawk at this point.

Not sure of where oda is going with this sanji wise. Sanji got a neat boost through his genetics but his haki has not been mentioned so far. For admiral level you do appear to need multiple forms of advanced haki. The admirals so far have evidenced armor projection and foresight... It wouldn't be weird that at least akainu has conqueror cladding.
By YC1+, I did mean above YC. Mihawk, though, in my mind, was always closer to the Yonko than people seem to give him credit for (but that's just my opinion)

And Mihawk probably still has much more advanced CoO.
As for Sanji, who knows what the fight with Queen will bring about? Let's be hopeful
 

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I like both Zoro and Sanji, but you're spot on. Zoro just awakened conqueror's haki, he's basically in the state Luffy was in during Amazon/Marineford. An unaware user of conqueror's
Should've at least shown us having Zoro master basic conqueror's before going to advanced

The raid suit was such a massive disappointment as well. Built up for years, had additional meaning and implication. Only for it to be some catalyst for a random powerup and destroyed soon after, WTH

Wano is the most rushed arc in the series. So many plot points and developments held hanging, or rushed unsatisfactorily
Luffy at marineford didn’t even know what haki was. Zoro is aware of the concept. Don’t forget all the stuff hyogoro taught Luffy in Udon were techniques that Swordsman use.

Honestly with the Raid suit it was obvious it wasn’t permanent for Sanji. Odas not just gonna change Sanjis design when he fights forever. Plus the only aspect that mattered was the durability. Other than that Queen and Page One didnt require boosters , speed or any of that extra stuff. And we saw Sanji couldn’t really damage page one in the raid suit without his fire. Tbh it Never seemed that big of a powerup anyways.
 

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I feel that Oda made a mistake in using black lightning as CoC too early in the series or too casually. Now when he wants to show us properly that a user has CoC infusion, it leads to some debate/confusion. Here are some instances when ppl clashed against each other and there were black lightning drawings.
I have to agree, especially the too casually part. Because now you're having to examine panels or wait for other characters to confirm that both opponents have CoC to begin with. The differences in how Infused CoC and CoA clash are shown are sometimes too negligible; especially before Luffy learnt to use it against Kaido.
 

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I agree, even though, in the end, just like Kaido said, "only the powerful can do it". Which made it sound like it wasn't going to be 5 people in one arc lol

So I do think some people, even with basic CoC and aCoA, wouldn't be able to.
And I personally would have liked Zoro unlocking basic CoC earlier, same as you !
Actually, forgot about that Kaido statement lol.
But still, I don't see why not. It's similar, if not identical, concept being used for both advanced armament and advanced conqueror's

Probably because advanced armament itself is rare is requires intense concentration + calmness of mind.
Like, < 20 people in the entire series are confirmed advanced armament users. < 30 if you include hype (I'm putting some top tiers and YC1s here)

So, chances of you knowing advanced technique + having conqueror's become tiny

And yes, Zoro 100% should've showcased his conqueror's in some earlier arc. Fight against Monet would've been the perfect time to reveal it, after the buildup/hint from Fishman arc with Zoro claiming "If he didn't have it, he would need to step down".
Which at least would've explained him having some basic control over conqueror's, so that him using advanced conqueror's now wouldn't have been some rushed asspull

As for aCoA, well, if Zoro really had it all along, which seems weird, I also wish it had been formalized in a more obvious manner.
Sorry but the usual arguments from the hardcore Zoro fanbase (Zoro has had aCoA since Alabasta) still seem unconclusive to me.
So my opinion is: if he did learn aCoA at some point, then it was with Mihawk.
And if he did have it, why not just use it "normally" to cut Kaido (just like Luffy did), with a normal amount of haki, instead of depleting his tank in three shots with Enma?
I believe Zoro had it all along since post timeskip. Mihawk taught him I guess, which makes sense since armament is extremely necessary for a swordsman.
For me, his haki aura/flow in fight against Pica is confirmation. We know Oda had thought of advanced armament even back then and that it wasn't an on the spot intro in Wano, because he made Sabo use it as well.

Obviously any claims of Zoro having it in Albasta is BS, or else he would've been able to hurt Enel.

As for using it against Kaido, IMO he didn't know how to control Enma well (as confirmed in current chapter), so it stole his haki anyway. Plus it likely got triggered because Kaido was the opponent.
He used dragon twister (IIRC thats the name), which uses all three swordss to create a twister. And it damaged Kaido, implying he did use advanced armament for other swords as well.


Indeed, the greatest question is: if this powerup isn't just an asspull, and Zoro was secretly a haki master all along, then why keep it a secret?
And again, no, the usual pseudo-clues (Alabasta, cutting steel) don't make it obvious in the least bit

Now the other question is: will Sanji end up with aCoA too? How can he defeat Queen with just basic armament?
Like I said, IMO he used it against Pica.
The reason Oda didn't emphasize it is likely he didn't emphasize it with Sabo either. He wanted it to be a plot point in Luffy's training in Wano arc

Sanji..IDK. I feel like there has been way too many opportunities for him to have showcased it. Against Vergo, Doffy, and Queen so far.
I guess it kinda makes sense. Invankov likely doesn't know advanced armament. He probably knew only regular armament and observation, so Sanji trained in that. Mihawk 100% knows advanced armament, that would explain Zoro knowing it
I guess Sanji getting his exoskeleton thing is his equivalent powerup.
 
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This chapter looks solid. This is a rare character chapter where there is Zoro development and as a fanboy I'm loving it. Seems there really isn't any trick to using Enma, just have to be strong enough is all. Not sure if what Zoro is about to use is ACoC (it appears like it is) but definitely going to help him hurt King.

Also does this chapter pretty much confirm that Zoro and Kuina are relatives? If she is a granddaughter of a Shimotsuki and he is supposedly a son of a Shimotsuki samurai, they must share blood. Wonder if it will have some significance to Zoro if he learns he is related to that family and that his sensei is actually a relative too. Might cool since Zoro hasn't ever had a backstory that explains where he is actually from which has always left me the impression he was a homeless orphan until he got to the village. Now the village can be home in more than just one way which is nice.
 

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Oh, so it was the old man that taught Zoro about the personalities! I still don't like time skips that much but I'm very glad that Zoro didn't learn this from Hitetsu.

Also, since a lot of people are already pissed off about Zoro's progression, I think you better prepare yourself for Kidd doing something similar.
 

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Actually I think Queen's comment just goes to back up what King said about him being tougher than your ordinary dinosaur zoan user. His lunarian heritage goes some way to make him much tougher than an even an ancient zoan should be, which is why Zoro is struggling and not being able to even stractch his body with any of his attacks.
There is a bit about this that strikes me as odd. Sure, his lunarian heritage makes him exceptionally tough... But in dinosaur form he should have just his dinosaur toughness. His hybrid form should have the benefit of his lunarian and dinosaur attributes combined but in turn he has not used that all that much. In some regards his hybrid form seems less practical than other hybrid forms due to it being somewhat unconventional. If he has points as chopper does though...
 

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By YC1+, I did mean above YC. Mihawk, though, in my mind, was always closer to the Yonko than people seem to give him credit for (but that's just my opinion)

And Mihawk probably still has much more advanced CoO.
As for Sanji, who knows what the fight with Queen will bring about? Let's be hopeful
IMO Mihawk is 100% a Yonko tier. Not just because of rivalry with Shanks. But also because narratively, the dude HAS has to be stronger than Oden, and Oden is low Yonko level

WSS + having black blade = conqueror. Which means, he 100% has advanced conqueror's as well.
And also for narrative reasons, because Zoro still is a couple of arcs weaker than Mihawk. And Zoro already has advanced conqueror's

I think what's going on is another sign that OP is nearing its end: the characters are getting the powerups they need in order to face the endgame. Luffy is going to defeat an Emperor, and even though he still needs to fully master his new tools, he's at the level to do battle with pretty much anybody (and by do battle I mean go toe to toe, not win easily: of course some people are still stronger, but no one can one shot him like Kaido did anymore)

Zoro is on his way to YC1+, and once he's there, he's got everything he needs to climb up the last few steps to WGS

Then the SHs have a YC2 + in the making (Sanji), a YC2/3 (Jinbei), and they might get Yamato (YC1?) as a bonus.
The grand fleet.
The Minks and Samurai.
Nothing can prevent them from going to the top after that.
We still have Shanks, Elbaf, Mihawk, Blackbeard, Revolutionaries/Dragon, Marines, Imu/Gorosei/WG. All of these are big and important enough to have their own arc alone!
OP should need 3 more arcs at minimum IMO, 1 or even 2 arcs is too short to involve all of these big names and their plot points. So, still plenty more to go in OP hopefully, or else it'll be extremely rushed and fell unsatisfactory like how we're feeing in Wano currently.


For me, currently Luffy is at admiral or borderline Yonko level. Still a long way before he surpass Roger. Same with Zoro and Mihawk.
So, having like 3 arcs will be perfect for some reasonable growth as well.

But yes, I agree we've reached a point where some antagonistic force won't be able to just stomp over Luffy and his crew anymore. He's reaching up there.

What do you think about Strawhat Fleet though?
I'm really hyped, love everyone in the fleet (except Tontatta lmao, they're a joke). Especially hyped for Bartolomeo and Cavendish/Hakuba - two supernova level characters within the fleet.

Oh, so it was the old man that taught Zoro about the personalities! I still don't like time skips that much but I'm very glad that Zoro didn't learn this from Hitetsu.

Also, since a lot of people are already pissed off about Zoro's progression, I think you better prepare yourself for Kidd doing something similar.
Kid and Law already had their insane jumps lmao.

Law went from getting stomped by Doflamingo, to YC1+ in one arc lol

Luffy at marineford didn’t even know what haki was. Zoro is aware of the concept. Don’t forget all the stuff hyogoro taught Luffy in Udon were techniques that Swordsman use.

Honestly with the Raid suit it was obvious it wasn’t permanent for Sanji. Odas not just gonna change Sanjis design when he fights forever. Plus the only aspect that mattered was the durability. Other than that Queen and Page One didnt require boosters , speed or any of that extra stuff. And we saw Sanji couldn’t really damage page one in the raid suit without his fire. Tbh it Never seemed that big of a powerup anyways.
Still, going from just awakening to using advanced within a couple of hours is too much. If Zoro had already confirmed and used it in an earlier arc (say against Monet), it would've been less BS

Raid Suit was built up as a subplot for years now, plus having additional meanings/implications to it. Only to be used as an excuse to give Sanji a powerup and be destroyed soon after. Extremely unsatisfactory conclusion to the Germa subplot IMO
 

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IMO Mihawk is 100% a Yonko tier. Not just because of rivalry with Shanks. But also because narratively, the dude HAS has to be stronger than Oden, and Oden is low Yonko level

WSS + having black blade = conqueror. Which means, he 100% has advanced conqueror's as well.
And also for narrative reasons, because Zoro still is a couple of arcs weaker than Mihawk. And Zoro already has advanced conqueror's



We still have Shanks, Elbaf, Mihawk, Blackbeard, Revolutionaries/Dragon, Marines, Imu/Gorosei/WG. All of these are big and important enough to have their own arc alone!
OP should need 3 more arcs at minimum IMO, 1 or even 2 arcs is too short to involve all of these big names and their plot points. So, still plenty more to go in OP hopefully, or else it'll be extremely rushed and fell unsatisfactory like how we're feeing in Wano currently.


For me, currently Luffy is at admiral or borderline Yonko level. Still a long way before he surpass Roger. Same with Zoro and Mihawk.
So, having like 3 arcs will be perfect for some reasonable growth as well.

But yes, I agree we've reached a point where some antagonistic force won't be able to just stomp over Luffy and his crew anymore. He's reaching up there.

What do you think about Strawhat Fleet though?
I'm really hyped, love everyone in the fleet (except Tontatta lmao, they're a joke). Especially hyped for Bartolomeo and Cavendish/Hakuba - two supernova level characters within the fleet.



Kid and Law already had their insane jumps lmao.

Law went from getting stomped by Doflamingo, to YC1+ in one arc lol



Still, going from just awakening to using advanced within a couple of hours is too much. If Zoro had already confirmed and used it in an earlier arc (say against Monet), it would've been less BS

Raid Suit was built up as a subplot for years now, plus having additional meanings/implications to it. Only to be used as an excuse to give Sanji a powerup and be destroyed soon after. Extremely unsatisfactory conclusion to the Germa subplot IMO
Cavendish had imo one of the most stylish moments in Dressrosa along with Sabo, and the anime really did him justice. I guess the SH grand fleet is meant to mirror WBs own grand fleet, which had well known names...
Barto is uber cool, I love him.
And I really think that in the endgame, the Minks, Samurai and Law will end up joining as well...
Even Kidd and Drake could end up doing their bit
 

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I like both Zoro and Sanji, but you're spot on. Zoro just awakened conqueror's haki, he's basically in the state Luffy was in during Amazon/Marineford. An unaware user of conqueror's
Should've at least shown us having Zoro master basic conqueror's before going to advanced

The raid suit was such a massive disappointment as well. Built up for years, had additional meaning and implication. Only for it to be some catalyst for a random powerup and destroyed soon after, WTH

Wano is the most rushed arc in the series. So many plot points and developments held hanging, or rushed unsatisfactorily
Luffy at marineford didn’t even know what haki was. Zoro is aware of the concept. Don’t forget all the stuff hyogoro taught Luffy in Udon were techniques that Swordsman use.

Honestly with the Raid suit it was obvious it wasn’t permanent for Sanji. Odas not just gonna change Sanjis design when he fights forever. Plus the only aspect that mattered was the durability. Other than that Queen and Page One didnt require boosters , speed or any of that extra stuff. And we saw Sanji couldn’t really damage page one in the raid suit without his fire. Tbh it Never seemed that big of a powerup anyways.



Zoro is aware of the concept but he’s not even aware he’s a user, that’s skipping a ton of steps , he doesn’t even know how to consciously , I don’t even mind
And yes the raid suit was never gonna be permanent , I am cool with that but like I said it was something I expected him to reject after some build up , Oda legit dropped to personality in a chapter and got rid of it the same chapter , that’s rushed
 

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im not surprised zoro has conquerors. Im sure sanji is about to awaken it too. i feel like jinbei was shown with black lightening against Who's Who and im pretty sure jinbei has conquerors haki as a warlord and captain himself. and if yamato joins the crew, sanji and zoro need to learn all 3 forms of haki to maintain their ranks. if we compare them to rogers and WB's crew, which had 4+ conquerors haki users, id assume luffy would need the same to be the king
 

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im not surprised zoro has conquerors. Im sure sanji is about to awaken it too. i feel like jinbei was shown with black lightening against Who's Who and im pretty sure jinbei has conquerors haki as a warlord and captain himself. and if yamato joins the crew, sanji and zoro need to learn all 3 forms of haki to maintain their ranks. if we compare them to rogers and WB's crew, which had 4+ conquerors haki users, id assume luffy would need the same to be the king
Whoa, way too many conqueror's lol.

Sanji having it.....ehh, he doesn't have the dispossession of a conqueror. Though his royal bloodline does provide somewhat of an argument there if Oda does want to go that route

Jinbe being conqueror is a 100% no
 

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It’s weird seeing people complain about having ‘too many’ conquerors lol

Zoro is the 17th to have it.

17 out of how many characters in one piece? Over 1000? Around 2% of characters in the story have it lol.

Y’all need to relax
 

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(Sorry if so,some else already made this joke 😜)

”The sword chooses the swordsman, Zoro. Those of us that study swordlore all agree on that. What is interesting about that sword…is that it’s brother is the sword that you were given as a child! That sword has done great things… Terrible things, yes… but great!”
 

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It’s weird seeing people complain about having ‘too many’ conquerors lol

Zoro is the 17th to have it.

17 out of how many characters in one piece? Over 1000? Around 2% of characters in the story have it lol.

Y’all need to relax
I meant within the crew obviously -_-
 

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Haki is supposed to come in the heat of battle right? that's what it's doing. It started to come out in the most dire mofo'd battle he could have ever thought (2 Yonkos) and now when he's in a similar hard battle for him he's putting it all together.

Mid-fight power-ups happens all the time in manga and I like it because its not even a nakama power-up. He's thinking of his own power to be world's best rather than specifically oh I gotta protect so-and -so.

You either get either power ups in battle or time skips. Rarely do you get a naruto rasangen type development story. I'm happy with the pacing and i think there's still another chapter or two to come (maybe in 50 chapters or so).
Yes haki blooms in the heat of battle but Zoro isn’t even aware he’s a conquerors haki user , he’s not conscious
It blooming first would be him knocking folks out consciously on panel , then next step consciously using it , him being able to coat and cut people is skipping steps
Zoro doesn’t know he’s a user
 

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Yes haki blooms in the heat of battle but Zoro isn’t even aware he’s a conquerors haki user , he’s not conscious
It blooming first would be him knocking folks out consciously on panel , then next step consciously using it , him being able to coat and cut people is skipping steps
Zoro doesn’t know he’s a user
Every conquerors first instance of knocking people out has been unconscious: Luffy, Doffy, Yamato, Ace. This is no different.

To make this simpler we should just consider instances where the attack doesn’t touch its target to be ACoC. Counting lightning bolts and their direction seems silly
 
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