On Break One Piece Chapter 1148 Discussion

[Hannibal Psyche]

Am I to believe that Luffy was not using Haki against Saturn (hence his regeneration) ? It seems Haki negates the regeneration, but I am getting annoyed by how inconsistent Oda is

I think it's just the strength of Haki.

The weaker Haki is, the less effective it is. We saw how Vergo's Haki was not strong enough against Law's DF, but Joker's was. We saw how Kaido and Big Mom's Haki was strong enough to resist being teleported by Law.

As boring as it is or sounds, it's probably just Gaban's Haki is just strong enough to be that effective against immortality. Literally, if we look at the chronology of Haki, it's literally:

• Haki is harder the stronger it becomes.
• Haki is more effective against Hax the stronger it becomes.

Even CoC is pretty much just enhancing Armament to do exactly what Armament does originally, make it more stronger and more effective. I personally think it's as simple as stronger Haki.

Also, I hope people don't think just because Sommer may no longer be immortal against Gaban means it's an autowin.
Every character in the series is not mortal, and the fights are still difficult. Even if Sommers can no longer take deathly blows assuming the damage is permanent, he's still a competent fighter who should be able to tough out major injuries like every other powerful mortal character, and should be able to avoid attacks when needed.
I don't think this should be an easy win for Gaban, but at this point, I just want to see Luffy.

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pretty sure haki wasn't used in the first chapter lol. Plenty of manga have characters giving of killing intent to scare off opponents - this is what it was.

1. If haki was available to Shanks he coulda easily used haki from afar
2. That would have created the same effect of scaring away the beast and saving Luffy. As opposed to having to swim to Luffy, give Luffy a hug while losing his arm, and then use haki to scare away the beast.

I think this is misplacing common sense for story sense.
Shanks wouldn't lose an arm if he wasn't as stupid.
A story pretty much relies on incompetence for plot to go forward or be interesting.

That was King's Haki, the seaking got intimidated when Shanks let it off.

Should Shanks lose an arm? No, but for the story to be interesting, stupid things like this need to happen. Oda said in one of his SBS or magazines that his editor encouraged him to make Shanks lose an arm to make the story more interesting.

If there's no incompetence, stupidity, or carelessness, this story would have ended years ago. The reason arcs go the way they do is because Luffy doesn't follow rules, or plans, or think things through, this is why Oda can create all the chaotic developments that occur in the story.

No doubt Shanks could have seen the future, stopped everything from happening before it even happened, but that's simply not interesting, that's just boring plot development. It gives the reader little to look forward to.

1. If haki was available to Shanks he coulda easily used haki from afar
2. That would have created the same effect of scaring away the beast and saving Luffy. As opposed to having to swim to Luffy, give Luffy a hug while losing his arm, and then use haki to scare away the beast.

It was available, it's just this is more dramatic and interesting from a story-telling perspective. Without any of this, Luffy wouldn't have a scar on his eye, Shanks won't have 1 arm.... this incompetence and negligence from what should be competent characters is needed for an interesting story.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

With the rules that Oda himself has set up I don't see why Haki shouldn't be able to cancel regeneration. Oda has made it very clear that the human will not only creates miracles but negates them. It is the basis of all devil fruits and it wouldn't surprise me if it was the basis of Chopper's panacea.

 

[HereNThere]

The 1st time word haki mention at chapter 234, n its before sky island.

N i know Oda already drop a lot hints before, but people just blind to see it.

Haki, as it was used in that particular chapter, was just the common usage of the term according to most who can understand the language and it just means "Willpower" or "Ambition". As I brought up earlier, it wasn't until after Ennis Lobby that emphasis changed to the one that we know now and the concept as a power system started showing up. As Pirate Queen noted, willpower/ambition/grit/etc has been a common theme in the series since day one. Oda using the common term for ambition would been par for course at this point in the series.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Exactly what I think... If he had Haki, he could easily know that the bandits would take Luffy, that the monster would attack and use observation Haki before... You know, it's been 25 years, guys, judging that Oda predicted Haki in the first chapter is a shot in the dark... Not even he would imagine that One Piece would be so relevant for all this time.

There's a problem with this frame of reasoning.

In Wano, Otama got kidnapped despite the fact Luffy was there, someone clearly well versed in Observation, had just defeated Katakuri. In Egghead, Sentomaru almost got killed by Lucci despite Luffy in Gear 5th, in fight mode where his Haki would have been at his peak and he would been at his most perceptive. Sanji let Vegapunk get killed despite Observation Haki.

Luffy in Punk Hazard got taken out by Caesar when he supposedly should have been able to see that future happening, and he didn't.

Shanks himself got scarred by Blackbeard, and said it's not for a lack of being off-guard, and this was stated when we knew full well how effective Observation was. At this point, he was pretty much a Haki master.
Mihawk failed to kill Luffy multiple times, and Haki was already a well known thing here already.

Oda hasn't made Observation Haki so powerful that it makes a character pretty much omniscient. Even Big Mom and Kaido were surprised by Luffy's attack on Onigashima, they didn't see it coming, and they're Emperors.

What this Manga has shown from the start and even now is no matter how strong you are with Haki, bad things will still happen whether we as readers think it shouldn't. It goes to show it is more of a plot device, it works when it works, and other times, it's just non-existent. It's unreliable - so even if Shanks had Haki at the start of the series, it's not going to stop what happened anymore than Tama being kidnapped right in front of Luffy who just defeated Katakuri, and Zoro.

 

[baditz]

Haki, as it was used in that particular chapter, was just the common usage of the term according to most who can understand the language and it just means "Willpower" or "Ambition". As I brought up earlier, it wasn't until after Ennis Lobby that emphasis changed to the one that we know now and the concept as a power system started showing up. As Pirate Queen noted, willpower/ambition/grit/etc has been a common theme in the series since day one. Oda using the common term for ambition would been par for course at this point in the series.

"common usage"? Oda use that specific word just after 234 chap n u call it common usage? When Oda use that word at again, oh yeah right the next another 200 chapter when 2 Yonkos meet n 1YC mention it, sure if u thing for every 200 chap using 1 word u call it common.
N its not from random word its a word from New world veterans.

 

[HereNThere]

"common usage"? Oda use that specific word just after 234 chap n u call it common usage? When Oda use that word at again, oh yeah right the next another 200 chapter when 2 Yonkos meet n 1YC mention it, sure if u thing for every 200 chap using 1 word u call it common.
N its not from random word its a word from New world veterans.

Haki is the most commonly used word for willpower/ambition in Japanese. Thus common usage. I think it's even in their dictionary. It was just like any other word at that point. Now, when Shanks and Whitebeard met, Oda finally put emphasis on the word and that was everyone's cue to take notice then and only then. And, again, all this only came after Ennis Lobby and was paired with actual feats of the power system through Shanks and Whitebeard's use of CoC and Garp's Fist of Love harming Luffy.

Between that Blackbeard scene and Luffy being punched by Garp and the series making a big deal of Luffy being harmed by it, there was no other hint or evidence that haki, as we know it today, was in play.

 

[TheLastMartian]

Had a theory for a while.

Haki being willpower allows people to do stuff that is not normal, aside from the 3 "types" we see, I think we will be told that all Haki is 1 thing and it can be used to do super natural stuff like lighting your arm or leg on fire (Luffy and Sanji), make a reaper appear around you (Zoro) freeze stuff (Brook), smash islands (Garp) cut things very far away (Shanks), steal devil fruit (Black beard and big mom), etc.

Devil fruits I think were made from people with very strong Haki as a way of passing down or stealing their powers for the future without having to train / have the talent for Haki.

To further add, conquerer's Haki lets you apply your devil fruit powers to other things (awakening) and same with haki to things (swordsmen and their weapons).

 

[electricmastro]

Am I to believe that Luffy was not using Haki against Saturn (hence his regeneration) ? It seems Haki negates the regeneration, but I am getting annoyed by how inconsistent Oda is

Luffy’s Haki simply wasn’t good enough.

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I hope this is a sign that Oda will upgrade Robin and the others.

Clearly, he doesn’t just want to leave all up to Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji, or else he would have them here by the start.

 

[zetsu banned]

Am I to believe that Luffy was not using Haki against Saturn (hence his regeneration) ? It seems Haki negates the regeneration, but I am getting annoyed by how inconsistent Oda is

No, it's going to be like how ryuuo was the BIG secret to successfully harming Kaidou: "no, my student- you have to wiggle your haki around like *this* to damage this type of pokemon" Oda draws diagram of haki moving in a new way if you pose like this and think like that

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Luffy’s Haki simply wasn’t good enough.

If the transitive property of haki power levels hold true, this would mean that Scopper Gaban could solo Kaidou

I'm unsure of the percentage of sincerity in what I just wrote, but I am illustrating how something as reductive as "wasn't good enough" implies that Luffy just needed to do... more haki? Better haki? What does this even mean for ones haki to "not be good enough"?

 

[feanaro]

No, it's going to be like how ryuuo was the BIG secret to successfully harming Kaidou: "no, my student- you have to wiggle your haki around like *this* to damage this type of pokemon" Oda draws diagram of haki moving in a new way if you pose like this and think like that

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If the transitive property of haki power levels hold true, this would mean that Scopper Gaban could solo Kaidou

I'm unsure of the percentage of sincerity in what I just wrote, but I am illustrating how something as reductive as "wasn't good enough" implies that Luffy just needed to do... more haki? Better haki? What does this even mean for ones haki to "not be good enough"?

I don't think that haki is the solution to everything. It cancels out some obvious powers.. Like logia or the socalled immortality/regeneration (which essentially mimics logia's transparency property), it might work against a tough body like Kaidou's, but, it's not enough to overpower just anyone. Fights at the top should be more about stamina (strong haki drains huge amounts) and refined techniques (mastering of haki, fruits and you latent power).. We will see if Sommers has more up his sleeves...

That being said, the next logical development would be quilin-guy ripping Roger and Raleigh out of Gaban's dreams giving Luffy and Zoro some serious exercise to train their power. They (maybe together with loki and gaban) should be duking it out, while the overall victory over the knights should be a strategic one coming from Robin Franky and the other Straw Hats.

 

[Riku]

Like logia or the socalled immortality/regeneration (which essentially mimics logia's transparency property)

This is actually interesting. We know Imu and probably some Goroisei are from Void Century era. We know lot of Vegapunk tech is from void century era or even older. Vegapunk said that replicating logias is very hard. But he didn't say impossible, he himself even replicated an aspect of a logia (Kizaru beams on pacifistas). So maybe the regen abilities of the Gorosei and Holy Knights indeed are high level ancient tech derived from devil fruit research.

Though, witchcraft was a thing in one of the Romance Dawn versions, so I still think plausibility of some sort of magic also remains.

And I can easily see haki as a solution to both, magical properties or devil fruit origin lineage factor manipulation.

 

[electricmastro]

Gonna be flabbergasted if it ends up that Luffy, Zoro, Jinbe, and Sanji are the only ones that leave Elbaf learning anything. He involved the whole crew in getting confronted by Gunko and Sommers, so this is perfect excuse to give them more Haki experience.

 

[zetsu banned]

Fights at the top should be more about stamina (strong haki drains huge amounts)

Wait does haki use drain stamina? As far as I can remember those are two discrete pools of power.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Wait does haki use drain stamina? As far as I can remember those are two discrete pools of power.

It plays some sort of role in life force.
Zoro using Enma, he was releasing so much Haki that he said it threatened his life, but that was his resolve to fully utilise Enma. It also drained Zoro's life force (imo) when he was first wielding it against King in the finale.
I don't think it affects stamina, but it has some relationship with life force energy. It implies this was the reason the cursed blades killed weak people, they weren't strong enough to have their Haki unleashed without relent, and died as a result.

 

[CharlosTenryuubito]

People forget that having superb observation haki wont automatically save them from an attack, being able to predict the future and being fast enough to dodge an attack are two different thing, You can be having superb observation haki but slow speed and see your future getting beaten every time.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

People forget that having superb observation haki wont automatically save them from an attack, being able to predict the future and being fast enough to dodge an attack are two different thing, You can be having superb observation haki but slow speed and see your future getting beaten every time.

You're right, but also have to take into account sometimes it has nothing to do with speed either, sometimes it just doesn't play a role at all.

If Observation Haki was so effective, the SHs would never ever be caught offguard since the time-skip happened. They'd never have been caught lacking, they'd always have anticipated every and anything.

There are so many situations in the series since the time-skip that if Observation Haki worked 100%, some situations would not have happened at all. Luffy would know Hody was going to attack Shirahoshi before he did, but by the time Hody starts going towards Shirahoshi, Luffy's "OMG I DIDN@T SEE THIS COMING AT ALL... WOOOOW!".

Observation Haki has to be one of the lamest skills in the series. It's like if you can see the future, why didn't you just see this coming... even the feats of Observation Haki we saw at Skypiea imo surpasses almost every feat of Observation that we've seen besides Katakuri's Future Sight.
I look at CoO as nothing more than a plot device that makes scenes look cool, and then once that's done, it's just completely irrelevant.

In the latest OP episode, Sanji uses CoO to look for Bonney... Vegapunk phrases it like he doesn't know Haki exists and can do such things because he says "I'll believe in you". You'd think the SHs would have used CoO to locate Bonney from the very start. Or when VP got kidnapped, or when they were looking for different people, they'd actually run in circles when you'd think can't they just sense their auras and locate them instantly? It's an annoying aspect of the series imo. I stopped trying to make sense of Observation Haki since Future Sight became a thing.

 

[baditz]

You're right, but also have to take into account sometimes it has nothing to do with speed either, sometimes it just doesn't play a role at all.

If Observation Haki was so effective, the SHs would never ever be caught offguard since the time-skip happened. They'd never have been caught lacking, they'd always have anticipated every and anything.

There are so many situations in the series since the time-skip that if Observation Haki worked 100%, some situations would not have happened at all. Luffy would know Hody was going to attack Shirahoshi before he did, but by the time Hody starts going towards Shirahoshi, Luffy's "OMG I DIDN@T SEE THIS COMING AT ALL... WOOOOW!".

Observation Haki has to be one of the lamest skills in the series. It's like if you can see the future, why didn't you just see this coming... even the feats of Observation Haki we saw at Skypiea imo surpasses almost every feat of Observation that we've seen besides Katakuri's Future Sight.
I look at CoO as nothing more than a plot device that makes scenes look cool, and then once that's done, it's just completely irrelevant.

In the latest OP episode, Sanji uses CoO to look for Bonney... Vegapunk phrases it like he doesn't know Haki exists and can do such things because he says "I'll believe in you". You'd think the SHs would have used CoO to locate Bonney from the very start. Or when VP got kidnapped, or when they were looking for different people, they'd actually run in circles when you'd think can't they just sense their auras and locate them instantly? It's an annoying aspect of the series imo. I stopped trying to make sense of Observation Haki since Future Sight became a thing.

Lol what are u complaint, CoO just like "eye" n "ear", it just like even its in front of u sometime u just miss it, n even u hear all sound, u cannot hear/take what every sound was, u need estra focus n spesific.
Did u even have fight? Have ever u got punch? U see the punch come to u, but u just late to react, thats all, more over if ur enemy also have great haki reflex,,
N i dont understand why people will not take "keep low" more over last chap Gaban make it more clear, some people can hide their "present", if in Dragon ball it like make power level to 0, or hide killing intent.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

On the Haki did exist from the start or was a retcon debate:
We‘ve seen in chapter 1 how Shanks scared off a seamonster with his aura/ killing intent alone and this is pretty much what (basic) CoC does in the current story, so how is this supposed to be a retcon? If that‘s an example for a retcon, I surely have a different understanding of the word retcon.

Back to Haki, yes it wasn‘t named back then alright, but the power was showcased early and named later.
For me evidence enough to say that the rough concept of Haki did exist from the start. Also Mihawk had a black blade upon introduction and during Logue Town Smoker being intangible as a Logia-user was stopped by Dragon who could casually get a hold of Smoker‘s jitte.
I just have a hard time picturing Oda being like: well I happened to have Shanks scare off a seabeast without a fight, I introduced a black blade and had Dragon grab Smoker‘s jitte, nice coincidences since I don‘t have anything planned out for these occurances let me sum them up under the term Haki as I finally need a good counter against devil fruit abilities.

 

[Pirate Queen]

On the Haki did exist from the start or was a retcon debate:
We‘ve seen in chapter 1 how Shanks scared off a seamonster with his aura/ killing intent alone and this is pretty much what (basic) CoC does in the current story, so how is this supposed to be a retcon? If that‘s an example for a retcon, I surely have a different understanding of the word retcon.

Back to Haki, yes it wasn‘t named back then alright, but the power was showcased early and named later.
For me evidence enough to say that the rough concept of Haki did exist from the start. Also Mihawk had a black blade upon introduction and during Logue Town Smoker being intangible as a Logia-user was stopped by Dragon who could casually get a hold of Smoker‘s jitte.
I just have a hard time picturing Oda being like: well I happened to have Shanks scare off a seabeast without a fight, I introduced a black blade and had Dragon grab Smoker‘s jitte, nice coincidences since I don‘t have anything planned out for these occurances let me sum them up under the term Haki as I finally need a good counter against devil fruit abilities.

Every good author knows how to leave things vague early in their stories so that likely use those situations for future plot situations. Doesn't mean it's planned. And I've already detailed how it just wasn't likely haki as a fighting system wasn't a concept in chapter 1.

It astounds me how people think Oda planned absolutely everything from chapter one when we have multiple instances where Oda said he makes last minute changes and does things on a whim which have big impacts on the story.

For example. This entire Fandom thought Elbaf was a given since Little Garden. That the SH's were eventually going to get there. Whelp, Oda reveals Elbalf was not a destination for them until recently. He was going to skip Elbaf. Oda decided to change his mind on a HUGE change to the story, an entire arc.

 

[electricmastro]

Looks like Yamato accepted Ulti and Page One as her followers after all. I wonder what Momo will say about this.