Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1195 Spoiler Discussion

[Rein Avara]

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[sarutobi_sensei]

Omg omg omg had to be there a poneglyph. Wondering if it's the red one or not.

A letter from lily? Omg robin getting the lore dump.

And Galahorjn, had to be there. It'll announce Ragnarok and begin the great war prep.

 

[Kizaruuu]

Omg omg omg had to be there a poneglyph. Wondering if it's the red one or not.

A letter from lily? Omg robin getting the lore dump.

And Galahorjn, had to be there. It'll announce Ragnarok and begin the great war prep.

Seems like that was fake after all..

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Huh saw these spoilers on reddit like 2 days ago, didn't think they were legit. Guess they are.

So the horn. If someone toots this horn, are we going to get another massive haki blast that will completely overwhelm Imu's maki? I hope that isn't going to be reused so rather, here are some alternative suggestions:

A. You toot the horn near a poneglyph, it translates it
B. It actually is a weapon. It plays frequencies that Imu and his minions are weak against. Think apoo but just specific to wielders of maki. (No, I have not played Destiny).
C. It doesn't do anything useful but it does play a loud victory tune. It turns out to be a relic tech from the AK that sound dials are based off of.


Yeah can't really think of anything else but A seems possible yet unlikely because that job is saved for Robin already and will really take away from her development and to another extent, ruin the use for the 3rd eye for pudding. I personally like C the most because B is just another "savior" that arrived to save Luffy again as Gaban and Hajrudin did.

However this really all leads to one main question: who is supposed to use this horn? Google and spoilers point to a very specific norse god that uses this horn to sound the arrival of Ragnarok. Will the horn be used to signal to everyone that the big war vs the WG has finally started AFTER the big decisive events of Elbaph? Again, just who will use it? Loki is the god of mischief, it aint him so... yeah I been saying who who who so many times I might as well throw in a wild guess and say Biblo but could bro even blow a horn? Biblo is a pretty legendary creature here in Elbaph afterall and he guarding the books which is a "bridge" between "worlds". What I mean by that is literature is a way for the past to speak to the present and with such knowledge that the WG is trying so very hard to burn...more than once! mind you, anyone can surmise that these precious books is a literal bridge from past to present so it makes sense for Biblo to play the flute in my opinion.

Edit: Well shit. I guess my very sentence of this post was accurate after all damnit.

 

[Federicoxxx]

Interesting..in one Spoiller it said whats inside the box and.. NOT in the other..

 

[baditz]

Interesting..in one Spoiller it said whats inside the box and.. NOT in the other..

Yeah, in redon post we only know 1 of them are Lili letter, the other still unknow.
But why lili live in Elbaf not back to alabasta is she hiding?

 

[AmyRose]

Booo, Sommers got offscreened. How sad but at least his last moments ON screen were hilariously pathetic. So, Shuri woke up and is herself but I guess she think she don't deserve forgiveness and runs away. Well, since she's not fighting it seems like her evil personality disapeared for now. I'm not surprised because it seems like Imu is pushing personality changes in people so they would be loyal to his cause. And as we know Imu is busy somewhere else so he can't really control anyone anymore. Guess that's why Sommers lost all his confidence and run, because it seems like he's naturaly a coward. Btw weird, I wonder why Lili lived among giants if she was queen of Arabasta. Also it sucks that we still can't see what's in that chest. I wonder how important that may be and how useful for current situation. Mayby alongside letter she left another haki knot from Joyboy but honestly that would be lame to be saved twice in the same way.

 

[Phaizzy]

How come the only people who truly learned something in that time skip for future use, is Sanji and Zoro?

Hot take; Jinbei should have conqs haki and usopp. Their roles and purpose in life aligns.

Actually I might sound weird.. I can see usopp getting conqs haki

 

[Federicoxxx]

Maybe her hiding place.. When She vanish from Mariejois..

She was tasked to get rid of the phoneglyphs..but ahe scattered them.. and scram away forever i guess

Maybe she lived in Elbaph after dat..

or it was a Pre-event before She even reached Mariejois in first place.

 

[Vanshrimp]

i hope we don't waste several chapters around sanji and his self-esteem issue which seems to be that "lock" to the CoC....

 

[kkck]

I doubt biblo can have the missing poneglyph. It went missing a couple decades ago IIRC and the chest has not been opened in hundreds of years. If Gallaghorn is in the chest then I'd think it's too early to use it. Just as it was too early to bring down wano's walls some time back. The horn starts the war but it's difficult to imagine who could be waiting for it. Zunesha maybe but most currently living folk are too young to have any notion of it. Maybe an ancient weapon or dormant android army... Could even be that gallaghorn just straight up brings down the adam tree or the red line.

Seems like chapter 595 will be relevant(paraphrasing a bit):

Ivankov: The 99 recipes are part of the bridal training. I am not teaching them to a stranger! If you want to learn them you need the heart of a maiden and learn newkama karate!
Sanji: Never! I was born to love women, not to be their friend!
Iva: Interesting, I will give you a chance! You will steal the 99 recipes from the masters across the island while they try to put you in an adorable little dress! Lets see how long you can resist as a man!

I did misremember some of this, I thought the okama catching up to sanji and getting him in a dress was after this exchange but rather it happened earlier during a cover story. IF this is what Gaban's comment about sanji was about then it'll be interesting to see how oda tackles this because there are multiple ways to go about it. Does sanji embrace his okama self? Or does he sort of... put his trauma behind him? Supposedly sanji fought newkama and learned their martial arts but we've never seen him use any. IIRC the last time his training was referenced it was when he learned blue walk to fly away from the okama. Sanji suddenly embracing being a maiden at heart does sound like a rather substantial change to his character so such a development doesn't seem likely.

 

[Phaizzy]

I doubt biblo can have the missing poneglyph. It went missing a couple decades ago IIRC and the chest has not been opened in hundreds of years. If Gallaghorn is in the chest then I'd think it's too early to use it. Just as it was too early to bring down wano's walls some time back. The horn starts the war but it's difficult to imagine who could be waiting for it. Zunesha maybe but most currently living folk are too young to have any notion of it. Maybe an ancient weapon or dormant android army... Could even be that gallaghorn just straight up brings down the adam tree or the red line.

Seems like chapter 595 will be relevant(paraphrasing a bit):

Ivankov: The 99 recipes are part of the bridal training. I am not teaching them to a stranger! If you want to learn them you need the heart of a maiden and learn newkama karate!
Sanji: Never! I was born to love women, not to be their friend!
Iva: Interesting, I will give you a chance! You will steal the 99 recipes from the masters across the island while they try to put you in an adorable little dress! Lets see how long you can resist as a man!

I did misremember some of this, I thought the okama catching up to sanji and getting him in a dress was after this exchange but rather it happened earlier during a cover story. IF this is what Gaban's comment about sanji was about then it'll be interesting to see how oda tackles this because there are multiple ways to go about it. Does sanji embrace his okama self? Or does he sort of... put his trauma behind him? Supposedly sanji fought newkama and learned their martial arts but we've never seen him use any. IIRC the last time his training was referenced it was when he learned blue walk to fly away from the okama. Sanji suddenly embracing being a maiden at heart does sound like a rather substantial change to his character so such a development doesn't seem likely.

What if he can only use CoC with his hands? I doubt it since that’s his fighting style but still.

I’m curious how they go about this too tbvh. There has to me some sort of self reflection that takes place and the only self reflection he needs is how he views women? Maybe he needs to understand that women aren’t to be lusted over but to be seen as equals? Maybe he was a bit transphobic but learning to accept everybody?

This is gonna be very interesting

 

[kkck]

What if he can only use CoC with his hands? I doubt it since that’s his fighting style but still.

I’m curious how they go about this too tbvh. There has to me some sort of self reflection that takes place and the only self reflection he needs is how he views women? Maybe he needs to understand that women aren’t to be lusted over but to be seen as equals? Maybe he was a bit transphobic but learning to accept everybody?

This is gonna be very interesting

I'd be fairly astonished if sanji is given such an absurd limitation. Sanji will give up womanizing before he starts punching stuff.

Nah, this isn't about how he views women or anyone else, it's about how sanji perceives himself. Conqueror haki doesn't operate on arbitrary moral or political scales, if it did then most cladding users wouldn't be evil or even morally grey.

 

[Zehahaha]

So we wait for 2 weeks for this ? How long will the stalling and blue balling continue ? Something something can’t be seen, something something serious weakness

 

[kkck]

Somehow I don't buy sommers being defeated just yet. Him dying should be somewhat of a big event, something imu feels on the spot. Odds are sommers will continue to squirm away from zoro for a bit.

 

[korwinkrulpolski]

I am sick of Oda using cliffhanger on every little thing. Would it really hurt to tell about the box, Lilly and what the box content in one chapter? Shit like this made this manga 1/3 longer than it should be

 

[fastfonz]

I am sick of Oda using cliffhanger on every little thing. Would it really hurt to tell about the box, Lilly and what the box content in one chapter? Shit like this made this manga 1/3 longer than it should be

He did a lot with this chapter.. so yes. That takes its own chapter.. he just introduced it. If you hate serialized work, just wait a few weeks to read it. Writing that way is part of the format. It obviously works, you are hooked for the reveal.

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Somehow I don't buy sommers being defeated just yet. Him dying should be somewhat of a big event, something imu feels on the spot. Odds are sommers will continue to squirm away from zoro for a bit.

He seems to be going super fast with these fights. Making these two guys into complete fodder.. no challenge, nothing.. just training dummies. At least for Zoro.

 

[kkck]

Hmm, a plot point that was always weird to me was chinjao being that much of a rival to garp. Garp made the point that he leveled a mountain to prepare to take down chinjao. However even back at god valley which was over 40 years ago garp was already a monster capable of cladding. It doesn't look like the battle against chinjao was before this. If garp trained that much to fight chinjao then chinjao must have been a monster. What I am thinking is that chinjao proabably was a threat in the ballpark of a yonko, capable of cladding even, but following garp denting his cone head chinjao's sense of self was crushed. With his sense of self crushed he lost the capacity to wield conqueror haki and was basically out of the race for pirate king.

 

[baditz]

I get with lily letter n Sanji thing, Oda want countdown epic/suprise moment, atleast why not showing Zoro take down Sommer, are Oda plan something with his running, this chap litterly give 0 progres its like watching Dressrosa anime lol.

 

[Reyes]

I get with lily letter n Sanji thing, Oda want countdown epic/suprise moment, atleast why not showing Zoro take down Sommer, are Oda plan something with his running, this chap litterly give 0 progres its like watching Dressrosa anime lol.

We don’t know if Sommer is even taken down, just a leaker thinking that what the screams mean.