Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1195 Spoiler Discussion

[kkck]

welp..he did say it was time to go for the "One Piece",, once, but i dont think that qualify as AMBITION...

to be honest- nobody knows exactly what he Wants--i think he is just waiting for someone like JoyBoy was..to change the world..

and that might be Luffy, the same man W.B was waiting for.. and the rest of roger Pirates, who reached Raftel..

No, that's not what my post is about. You can be entirely humble while also being incredibly ambitious. Humility and ambition are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Federicoxxx]

Jesussss.. the most pondering and Reflective Sanji's ever...

 

[Crazytype]

No, that's not what my post is about. You can be entirely humble while also being incredibly ambitious. Humility and ambition are not mutually exclusive.

I concede. I don't usually associate a humble person with conquering the world but humility doesn't necessarily say anything about ambition. C.S Lewis once said: 'humility is not thinking less of yourself, it's thinking of yourself less.'

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My hope is a devil fruit was left and Sanji gets it. Helps close the Zoro gap and break away from Jinbe. We already might be getting hints in unlocks CoC this arc or next. This is interesting she comes up because the Imu tie in. Plus their holy land is the Levely grounds. Sanji's ties to this are his kingdom were Levely invites plus Vivi's family was rescued in large part due to Sanji's cunning.

May it be a devil fruit that Sanji eats. Plus Zoro already has Enma and is likely getting legendary swords and black blades. Since Sanji's Haki won't surpass Luffy, the best that can be done to keep things consistent is a devil fruit. Then eventually awakened devil fruit with ACoC. Plus there's the Yamato situation that's a fast track to keeping consistency. He would really become the ultimate weapon Judge envisioned and doing it without losing his humanity.

But does he really need a weapon once he has conquerors coating? How would a devil fruit increase his damage output? Just imagine him with conquerors and ifrit jumble. If he needs more power he uses his speed and/or rotation like always.

 

[kkck]

I concede. I don't usually associate a humble person with conquering the world but humility doesn't necessarily say anything about ambition. C.S Lewis once said: 'humility is not thinking less of yourself, it's thinking of yourself less.'

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But does he really need a weapon once he has conquerors coating? How would a devil fruit increase his damage output? Just imagine him with conquerors and ifrit jumble. If he needs more power he uses his speed and/or rotation like always.

Pretty much. Just to build on that, consider luffy. Luffy is by all accounts a cladding user and aspires to pretty much the most difficult thing in the world, to be pirate king. But luffy has self awareness and has spoken how he is awful at certain (most) things and needs nakama he can rely on to get things done. Luffy has humility to match his ambition (that said, this shouldn't be interpreted as me saying humility is a requirement to use cladding).

Sanji is not likely to get a devil fruit. Sanji is already a mutant anyways.

 

[XXGenesis]

Everyone should check out Mr.Moj’s take in youtube about Conqueor Haki’s. He makes a very valid points of defining these Conqueror’s as the Eptiome of an ideal…Ex. Sanji is the epitome of Chivalry. Luffy the Epitome of Freedom..etc His whole breakdown is pretty insightful, still just a theory but one I can accept.

 

[baditz]

I thing we see 2 big Sanji not confidances, in WCI he believe Luffy cannot facing BM in early n that make him want follow BM want, 2nd in Wano he say to Zaro kill him if he lost himslef mean at that time he not confidances he can control his germa blood.

 

[wing_gundam]

I’m going to be annoyed if Sanji has been putting in effort against this scrub, and has managed to pick up injuries. I’m tired of the false narrative of equal, when he hasn’t given us that portrayal seriously since Pre-TS….The wings suffer from their best utilizations..They both need what each other has…Zoro needs characterization like Sanji. Sanji needs stand out feats & portrayals.

The whole ACoC with Zoro, is contrived. It’s a way to level out the wings of the pirate king. Ok, kool, these power ups were ass. Sanji shouldn’t be struggling. I honestly would appreciate more a dialogue of Sanji, finding his true self & awakening. Than Zoro remembering conversations chapters later to now apply that knowledge

This is getting very contrived. Were wasting (our) years for buildups we know is going to happen. I'm pissed Oda is also trying to draw things out for forever man... Sommers may or may not have died off screen... Gunko runs away.... like just start progressing the story.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Holy shiet! The spoiler seems to hint that Sanji has sealing powers. /sarcasm. But I'd much rather he be given sealing jutsus than CoC at this rate. I am not saying Sanji shouldn't get CoC because fuck yeah he should but it's just not interesting anymore. At least not the way it is currently handled.

Maybe it's because of the way CoC was introduced to us bit by bit via Luffy unconsciously using it. And then that was repeated with chibi Doflamingo and chibi Ace. Then, in Wano Zoro unconsciously used it. Iirc, he even was able to put a few dudes to sleep blasting CoC while fighting King but I don't think he knew he did that. Then over time these people learn to control it. With Sanji this is different. It will not be an accident, he is actively trying to find a way to cast that shit. It'd have been a lot better to show Sanji unconsciously using it throughout post time skip instead of jamming it in all at once right now. There were so many opportunities post timeskip.

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I concede. I don't usually associate a humble person with conquering the world but humility doesn't necessarily say anything about ambition. C.S Lewis once said: 'humility is not thinking less of yourself, it's thinking of yourself less.'

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But does he really need a weapon once he has conquerors coating? How would a devil fruit increase his damage output? Just imagine him with conquerors and ifrit jumble. If he needs more power he uses his speed and/or rotation like always.

If Sanji gets CoC here, he still has some ways to go before his peak because he won't master it right away. He was so fast he basically went invisible already vs Queen. Now imagine him coating his feet in CoC lol... you just see black lightning blasting out of random spots all at once. Sanji vs Kizaru will be a great fantasy match up.

Then there is the diable jambe attacks. I don't see a reason why this couldn't get a level up, not necessarily having to be imbued with CoC. Showing a far more absurd level of heat generation from Sanji is a great way for a power boost.

Nope. Sanji does not need a DF. Zoro can pick up his enemy's black blades any day but I can never see bro being as fast as Sanji. Like not even close lol.

 

[Trip_LLL]

Pretty much. Just to build on that, consider luffy. Luffy is by all accounts a cladding user and aspires to pretty much the most difficult thing in the world, to be pirate king. But luffy has self awareness and has spoken how he is awful at certain (most) things and needs nakama he can rely on to get things done. Luffy has humility to match his ambition (that said, this shouldn't be interpreted as me saying humility is a requirement to use cladding).

Sanji is not likely to get a devil fruit. Sanji is already a mutant anyways.

I want to contend that the most difficult thing in the world is going on the adventure of fatherhood and being a present and caring father while also realizing that it doesn't mean killing your dreams.
I mean... on the blue planet, you've got maniacs willing to go as far as to turn you into a toy and remove all memory of you from your child. And then it's the guys you meet who end up going to their deaths for you. Oh, and some of the bio dads might have a child being targeted by a maniac too. Man, being a dad is like infernal difficulty on the blue planet.

 

[Monkey D. Oma]

Tbh I want sanji to get a powerup that can burn enemies to crisp with a power of germa's science rather than CoC aszpull

 

[Federicoxxx]

Tbh I want sanji to get a powerup that can burn enemies to crisp with a power of germa's science rather than CoC aszpull

But he discarded the suit...and anything that could represent germa tech already isnt it?..the best of that is when he fight against page one,,
using the black suit..., he even rejected trough force of will the genetic changes,, that where happening on his body ... unless im mistaken...

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Have been saying this for a while, Sanji's inability to accept himself is what has been holding him back. Glad it seems confirmed, but need to wait for the actual chapter.

Yeah I think it's simple, as long as he loathes his parentage and regards it as something dragging him down, he'll never be able to unlock his true potential.

 

[Federicoxxx]

oh!? Longinus seems to be able to shoot some kind of Lazer!?

 

[Pirate Queen]

oh!? Longinus seems to be able to shoot some kind of Lazer!?

Sanji having a counter to lasers should have clued us in this was coming lol

 

[Federicoxxx]

Sanji having a counter to lasers should have clued us in this was coming lol

How curious that VERY VERY SIMILAR SHARK THEETS LOOKING WOMAN,, GK on G.V MAFFEY,,,that also share similar traits... it was able to shoot a Lazer from
her mouth....like freaking Recoome..

 

[AmyRose]

oh!? Longinus seems to be able to shoot some kind of Lazer!?

Yeah, good thing Luffy and the boys aren't there. They would practically cheer on Killingham because you know, laser = cool.






Hah, Sommers really run for his life and thought he will succeed. Guess hunter dosen't appreciate being hunted, lol. Well, honestly after seeing all panels before his death apparently got offscreened I don't mind that he got killed off like this. Sure, it would be more satisfying to see him being finished by Zoro but that scream was good too. I bet when anime will get to that point Toei will make it sound hilarious. Anyway about Shuri, I'm glad SHE woke up not Gunko but like assumed before raws she may think she don't deserve kindness or forgiveness at all. Actually she could also think that she need to run away to not hurt anyone anymore in case her evil personality return. But I don't know what fact that she woke up could bring to the table. After all this build up I hope that at least she won't go back to Imus side to assist him. That would be really disapointing after Brook learned that what happened to Reuven wasn't actually her fault and was ready to forgive her. Also box was opened but we still can't see what's inside. Well, mayby next time, I hope. And Sanji, whatever is that weakness of his he better figure that out. Giants seem to struggle, his opponent is basically laughing at him and his rival apparently finished his job so he can't fall behind. Btw I hope his weakness dosen't have anything to do with becoming okama. That would be silly and would require full redesign. I think what Sanji lack is some self love and self esteem. It's good that he's humble, espesially compared to his brothers but I think he need to put some worth on his existance. Oh and some acceptance would be also good. I feel like he struggle to accept himself ever since fact that he's part of royal family of Germa saw the light of day. And espesially after his modifications awakened during Wano. He's still himself but he also seem to keep somewhere on the back of his mind thought that things may not stay like that forever. In other words guess Sanji just need to stop doubting everything about himself and mayby that will help him awake conqueror. Though like it was in Zoros case it may take him a minute to figure out how to weaponize it.

 

[Monkey D. Oma]

But he discarded the suit...and anything that could represent germa tech already isnt it?..the best of that is when he fight against page one,,
using the black suit..., he even rejected trough force of will the genetic changes,, that where happening on his body ... unless im mistaken...

He did rejected the suit but germa science is genetic enginering so who knows maybe sanji still have another innate ability?(as long as its not CoC out of nowhere) reiju still poison resistance even without her suit, IMO the suit is just to accelerate or enhanced their innate and adding ability to, fly? so destroying the suit does nothing except maybe delaying the progress since their power traits are in the their own body and i wouldnt be surprised if he can turn invisible lol he did block kizaru laser and invisibility=refracting light, just a theory tho

 

[Federicoxxx]

Yeah, good thing Luffy and the boys aren't there. They would practically cheer on Killingham because you know, laser = cool.






Hah, Sommers really run for his life and thought he will succeed. Guess hunter dosen't appreciate being hunted, lol. Well, honestly after seeing all panels before his death apparently got offscreened I don't mind that he got killed off like this. Sure, it would be more satisfying to see him being finished by Zoro but that scream was good too. I bet when anime will get to that point Toei will make it sound hilarious. Anyway about Shuri, I'm glad SHE woke up not Gunko but like assumed before raws she may think she don't deserve kindness or forgiveness at all. Actually she could also think that she need to run away to not hurt anyone anymore in case her evil personality return. But I don't know what fact that she woke up could bring to the table. After all this build up I hope that at least she won't go back to Imus side to assist him. That would be really disapointing after Brook learned that what happened to Reuven wasn't actually her fault and was ready to forgive her. Also box was opened but we still can't see what's inside. Well, mayby next time, I hope. And Sanji, whatever is that weakness of his he better figure that out. Giants seem to struggle, his opponent is basically laughing at him and his rival apparently finished his job so he can't fall behind. Btw I hope his weakness dosen't have anything to do with becoming okama. That would be silly and would require full redesign. I think what Sanji lack is some self love and self esteem. It's good that he's humble, espesially compared to his brothers but I think he need to put some worth on his existance. Oh and some acceptance would be also good. I feel like he struggle to accept himself ever since fact that he's part of royal family of Germa saw the light of day. And espesially after his modifications awakened during Wano. He's still himself but he also seem to keep somewhere on the back of his mind thought that things may not stay like that forever. In other words guess Sanji just need to stop doubting everything about himself and mayby that will help him awake conqueror. Though like it was in Zoros case it may take him a minute to figure out how to weaponize it.

Welp..thats one less question Mark off the List... now i want to know if this shark theeths asshole have a Mechanical heart like Sommer's

 

[kkck]

Hmm, i could see sommers managing to just barely hang on to his life. More absurd things have happened, like when the supernova escaped kizaru.

Hmm, looking at the chapter I kinda get the vibe this isn't going to be about anything that happened at okama island. I also can't imagine this being about sanji sacrificing himself for his friends. Zoro literally prostrated himself to mihawk to beg for training so having the willingness to sacrifice for your loved ones isn't an issue. I get the impression sanji hasn't been honest to himself regarding why he chose to sacrifice himself. Maybe deep down he just doesn't value his life as much. Which is why even as far back as the baratie arc he originally refused to follow his dream and thought zoro and luffy were insane to in turn pursue their dreams like he did. Considering his treatment by his family and the way zeff saved his life then maybe he still burdens himself to the point of self harm.

That said, it is mildly annoying that killingham has sanji on the ropes like that while zoro is breezing through this.

 

[Federicoxxx]

Yeah, good thing Luffy and the boys aren't there. They would practically cheer on Killingham because you know, laser = cool.






Hah, Sommers really run for his life and thought he will succeed. Guess hunter dosen't appreciate being hunted, lol. Well, honestly after seeing all panels before his death apparently got offscreened I don't mind that he got killed off like this. Sure, it would be more satisfying to see him being finished by Zoro but that scream was good too. I bet when anime will get to that point Toei will make it sound hilarious. Anyway about Shuri, I'm glad SHE woke up not Gunko but like assumed before raws she may think she don't deserve kindness or forgiveness at all. Actually she could also think that she need to run away to not hurt anyone anymore in case her evil personality return. But I don't know what fact that she woke up could bring to the table. After all this build up I hope that at least she won't go back to Imus side to assist him. That would be really disapointing after Brook learned that what happened to Reuven wasn't actually her fault and was ready to forgive her. Also box was opened but we still can't see what's inside. Well, mayby next time, I hope. And Sanji, whatever is that weakness of his he better figure that out. Giants seem to struggle, his opponent is basically laughing at him and his rival apparently finished his job so he can't fall behind. Btw I hope his weakness dosen't have anything to do with becoming okama. That would be silly and would require full redesign. I think what Sanji lack is some self love and self esteem. It's good that he's humble, espesially compared to his brothers but I think he need to put some worth on his existance. Oh and some acceptance would be also good. I feel like he struggle to accept himself ever since fact that he's part of royal family of Germa saw the light of day. And espesially after his modifications awakened during Wano. He's still himself but he also seem to keep somewhere on the back of his mind thought that things may not stay like that forever. In other words guess Sanji just need to stop doubting everything about himself and mayby that will help him awake conqueror. Though like it was in Zoros case it may take him a minute to figure out how to weaponize it.

The girl have 3 personalities...

Badass gunko: Being herself but as a total bitch..loyal to the W.G.. (first part of elbaph)

Confused Gunko: Being Herself but,, emotionally attached to Brook's past and her former Life...

Possesed Gunko: Being rided by Imu's

on this chapter she is number 2).. triying to decide between her former life and the new one ..BUT BEING HERSELF.. Imagine suddently Memories from a very confused part,, it happened 70 years ago being flooded...and you have to decide between that.. and the New life you made on the W.G for over those 70 years..