Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1195 Spoiler Discussion

[electricmastro]

See that, Sanji can’t have Conqueror’s Haki as long as he succumbs to weakness.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

See that, Sanji can’t have Conqueror’s Haki as long as he succumbs to weakness.

Don't think it has anything to do with weakness (e.g. Women). Everyone has a weakness, Kaido is an alcoholic.
It's that he can't accept himself for who he is, and he also lacks self-belief.
Sanji hates himself, the fact he has repressed memories also proves he subconsciously has things he doesn't want to confront about himself, his past, and his identity.
Women being a gag isn't going to be what stops him from using Conqueror's Haki.

 

[CharlosTenryuubito]

Don't think it has anything to do with weakness (e.g. Women). Everyone has a weakness, Kaido is an alcoholic.
It's that he can't accept himself for who he is, and he also lacks self-belief.
Sanji hates himself, the fact he has repressed memories also proves he subconsciously has things he doesn't want to confront about himself, his past, and his identity.
Women being a gag isn't going to be what stops him from using Conqueror's Haki.

He hates his own blood. But I wonder how Iva noticed this thing.

 

[Trip_LLL]

Don't think it has anything to do with weakness (e.g. Women). Everyone has a weakness, Kaido is an alcoholic.
It's that he can't accept himself for who he is, and he also lacks self-belief.
Sanji hates himself, the fact he has repressed memories also proves he subconsciously has things he doesn't want to confront about himself, his past, and his identity.
Women being a gag isn't going to be what stops him from using Conqueror's Haki.

Hannibal, just reinforcing your point:

Remember when Kaido's hobby was suicide?
And Zoro is never going to get away from the reality that he has a chance of going the wrong way even when someone points him in the right direction.
And Boa is always going to be strongly submissive to Luffy.
And Big Mom will always be a slave to her appetite to the point that she'll enter whatever dissociative episode you want to call it.


As you pointed out, it's not weaknesses. These people above have strong weaknesses. But even then, they were always strongly themselves.
Sanji's the only one with the self loathing to the point when things start going weird, he defaults to doubting his nature and thinking he's becoming a monster. (referencing Wano. Compare and contrast to Chopper, who when given the opportunity, decided he would become a monster for Luffy.)

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Hannibal, just reinforcing your point:

Remember when Kaido's hobby was suicide?
And Zoro is never going to get away from the reality that he has a chance of going the wrong way even when someone points him in the right direction.
And Boa is always going to be strongly submissive to Luffy.
And Big Mom will always be a slave to her appetite to the point that she'll enter whatever dissociative episode you want to call it.


As you pointed out, it's not weaknesses. These people above have strong weaknesses. But even then, they were always strongly themselves.
Sanji's the only one with the self loathing to the point when things start going weird, he defaults to doubting his nature and thinking he's becoming a monster. (referencing Wano. Compare and contrast to Chopper, who when given the opportunity, decided he would become a monster for Luffy.)

And even overconfidence/confidence can be a weakness too. I think as you are suggesting, it's more of a self-acceptance issue.

He hates his own blood. But I wonder how Iva noticed this thing.

When you spend time with people, you can see their character.
Someone who always makes self-deprecating jokes not just now and then, but all the time may be someone who lacks confidence.
We all know or have known people that hate themselves for whatever reason even if they don't explicitly tell us.
A mother can know things about her child that he/she never mentions, but she just knows from observation and feeling. I'd imagine Ivankov is just a very perceptive person too.

 

[Drakrami]

lol.. looks like the plot is going to develop into Imu will be forced to retreat because he brought too weak subordinates. Of course One Piece is never predictable.

 

[Crazytype]

I mean I understand why they rely on their immortality so much. Its crazy how fast they regenerate. We see it it the last panel where Sanji used Ifrit Jumble. Killingham regenerates in the same instant when Sanji is still in the atack motion. Also is this the first time where Sanji is not fighting the clearly weaker opponent in comparison to Zorro?

 

[kkck]

So Killingham can fire laser beams at sanji with his spear but Sommers is not using gram's explosions? I wonder if Gram has some sort of recharge time which imu inconveniently used up before.

Looking at the translation... It does seem to be about some deep seated self hatred. His hell memories seem relevant to this but by all appearances this goes further back than his tima at okama island. My guess is that there's just a bit of everything feeding into sanji's self hatred. Him being born into the vinsmoke royal family, his treatment by them, the fact that he left without reiju, the sacrifice zeff made to save his life... Sanji has gone through a lot of almost uniquely traumatic shit. Obviously he isn't the only one to go through stuff but it feels like with sanji it was more constant.

Regarding Iva and Gaban, my guess is that they have the... sensitivity to detect sanji's lack of self worth and point it out. But I don't expect them to be psychic and know the details.

Going back through chapters, sanji's time as a maiden with the okama was caused by an okama using some hypnosis type technique on him. It wouldn't be too weird that sanji's hell memories have more of this except it was done in an attempt to have him forcefully confront his baggage. And of course, sanji repressed it.

 

[Phaizzy]

Awh. Okay. Nvm. It makes sense.

Sanji past is what has been keeping him back.

It seems he lacks self worth and the only way he feel he can truly contribute is by sacrificing himself. I assume his family upbringing is what caused that. Made him feel worthless. Along with his time with Zeff etc

That’s interesting that ODA tied that in well.

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I mean I understand why they rely on their immortality so much. Its crazy how fast they regenerate. We see it it the last panel where Sanji used Ifrit Jumble. Killingham regenerates in the same instant when Sanji is still in the atack motion. Also is this the first time where Sanji is not fighting the clearly weaker opponent in comparison to Zorro?

Ehhh.. in retrospect…. Between Sommers and Killingham.. they both are around the same level strength wise.

Killingham just has a broken df.. which he’s not even using properly.

Based off feats and strength wise…

Gunko > Shamrock > Killingham/Sommers

And I say based off FEATS. Feat wise Gunko did more damage to everybody even without IMU Taking over. All shamrock did was use a df ability on a weakened and chained up Loki.